• Re: trump

    From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Wed Jan 20 17:24:05 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Tue Jan 19 2021 05:52 pm

    motherfucker.

    I.DO.NOT.WANT.A.FAKE.PHOTO.

    i'm not talking about contrast being changed.

    faaaaaaaaaake
    photoooooooo


    all the time.

    We've established that there are authentic photographs, one has been around since the late sixties and we've had several more since then. You are talking about the Earth being captured in a single shot... that has been done. Although 99% of shots that are out there on the internet are heavily edited and enhanced, but you cannot deny that genuine shots do exist; to do so is to exhibit wilful ignorance.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Wed Jan 20 19:31:19 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jan 20 2021 05:24 pm

    We've established that there are authentic photographs, one has been around since the late sixties and we've had several more since then. You are talking about the Earth being captured in a single shot... that has

    no that hasnt been established.
    been done. Although 99% of shots that are out there on the internet are heavily edited and enhanced, but you cannot deny that genuine shots do exist; to do so is to exhibit wilful ignorance.


    there is no untouched, real photo of the earth that shows it in its entirety. and that is what i keep saying is very strange.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ANDEDDU on Wed Jan 20 16:32:00 2021
    Next up, the Hollow Moon hypothesis...

    Have you ever read H.G. Wells "The First Men in the Moon"?


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Andeddu on Wed Jan 20 22:35:53 2021
    We've established that there are authentic photographs, one has been around since the late sixties and we've had several more since then. You are talking about the Earth being captured in a single shot... that has been done. Although 99% of shots that are out there on the internet are heavily edited and enhanced, but you cannot deny that genuine shots do exist; to do so is to exhibit wilful ignorance.


    I'll repost the one from the other day :

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21710271221/in/album-7215765 8666156148/

    unedited

    nice thing with NASA, it's that it's a public institution, all the stuff is public.

    in 2015 they dumped 8400 on flickr : https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapoll oarchive/albums/with/72157659052908231

    the one from the "magazine" are interesting because they are raw, unedited.

    they are flawed, sometime badly framed or exposed. Really look like 120 format film in a square format hasselblad camera.

    I like theses : http://q.ennev.com/z ( url shortener, will lead the the proper magazine on flickr )

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Jan 21 09:45:00 2021
    Hello Mro!

    ** On Tuesday 19.01.21 - 17:52, MRO wrote to Andeddu:

    I.DO.NOT.WANT.A.FAKE.PHOTO.

    i'm not talking about contrast being changed.

    faaaaaaaaaake
    photoooooooo
    all the time.

    How far would a human have to be from the surface of the earth
    inorder for the planet to fit within the scope of one's field of
    view. From the moon, the earth can be covered with your thumb.

    This guy attemps to explore that topic (and other things as he
    digresses with realted things):

    https://youtu.be/mxhxL1LzKww


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Ogg on Thu Jan 21 13:15:12 2021
    On 2021-01-21 9:45 a.m., Ogg wrote:

    This guy attemps to explore that topic (and other things as he
    digresses with realted things):

    https://youtu.be/mxhxL1LzKww

    Thanks, I've really enjoyed this video

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu Jan 21 20:47:00 2021
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    Re: Re: trump
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jan 20 2021 05:24 pm

    We've established that there are authentic photographs, one has been around since the late sixties and we've had several more since then. You are talking about the Earth being captured in a single shot... that has

    no that hasnt been established.
    been done. Although 99% of shots that are out there on the internet are heavily edited and enhanced, but you cannot deny that genuine shots do exist; to do so is to exhibit wilful ignorance.


    there is no untouched, real photo of the earth that shows it in its entirety. and that is what i keep saying is very strange.

    I'm not really following this thread. You can't take a photo of the whole earth because its round. AT best, if you are far away enough, you'll get one half. But if you are closer to the Earth, you'll only see a small portion, only to the horizon. Being in "space" only makes the horizon further away than it would be if you were on the ground, or up high in the atmosphere.

    You have to go VERY far, in order to see the globe, and humans haven't travelled that far since the moon landings.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu Jan 21 21:31:58 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Jan 21 2021 08:47 pm

    one half. But if you are closer to the Earth, you'll only see a small portion, only to the horizon. Being in "space" only makes the horizon further away than it would be if you were on the ground, or up high in the atmosphere.

    You have to go VERY far, in order to see the globe, and humans haven't travelled that far since the moon landings.


    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and send us the photo?
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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to MRO on Fri Jan 22 09:33:19 2021
    On 2021-01-21 10:31 p.m., MRO wrote:
    Re: Re: trump

    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and send us the photo?

    They do, but they are of little scientific interest.

    But you would say they are fake anyway :-D

    there where a flyby that a remember for a gravity assist that the
    Galileo probe did back in 92

    https://appel.nasa.gov/2011/05/13/galileos-rocky-road-to-jupiter/

    p.s. I don't mind checking because I haven't look at that stuff in a
    while. The purpose here is not to convince you.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to MRO on Fri Jan 22 10:59:40 2021
    Re: Re: trump

    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and send us the photo?

    Of course not, They do not.

    https://youtu.be/rFDjAfwmWKM (The Mercury-bound MESSENGER spacecraft captured several stunning images of Earth during a gravity assist swingby of its home planet on Aug. 2, 2005)

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 23 02:26:50 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Wed Jan 20 2021 04:32 pm

    Next up, the Hollow Moon hypothesis...

    Have you ever read H.G. Wells "The First Men in the Moon"?


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    No, I've not read the book though I am aware it's the first instance in which a Hollow Moon is mentioned in literature.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Fri Jan 22 22:14:43 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Ennev to MRO on Fri Jan 22 2021 09:33 am

    On 2021-01-21 10:31 p.m., MRO wrote:
    Re: Re: trump

    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and send
    us the photo?

    They do, but they are of little scientific interest.

    But you would say they are fake anyway :-D

    there where a flyby that a remember for a gravity assist that the
    Galileo probe did back in 92

    https://appel.nasa.gov/2011/05/13/galileos-rocky-road-to-jupiter/


    that looks enhanced and it's not a full image of the earth.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Fri Jan 22 22:15:41 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Ennev to MRO on Fri Jan 22 2021 10:59 am

    Re: Re: trump

    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and send
    us the photo?

    Of course not, They do not.

    https://youtu.be/rFDjAfwmWKM (The Mercury-bound MESSENGER spacecraft


    so the last image you sent as proof was half the earth and look enhanced. same thing here?
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Jan 23 10:14:48 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: MRO to Ennev on Fri Jan 22 2021 10:14 pm

    https://appel.nasa.gov/2011/05/13/galileos-rocky-road-to-jupiter/

    that looks enhanced and it's not a full image of the earth.

    The sun's light is shining only from one direction, so only half the planet can be seen there.. That shot would probably have to be enhanced in order to make the other half visible.

    Some level of "enhancement" often helps with photos anyway, and it doesn't mean the photo is fake. If you talk to professional photographers, I bet they'll tell you after a photo shoot, they'll take the raw photos from their camera and edit them with their PC to touch up the light levels, etc.. It's to make things look their best, not to make fake photos.

    Do you expect just a quick point-and-shoot style photo of the earth that will come out looking good?

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Jan 23 09:45:00 2021
    that looks enhanced and it's not a full image of the earth.

    If the Earth is round you cannot get the whole thing at once, no matter how
    far out in space you are.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 23 16:08:18 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jan 23 2021 09:45 am

    that looks enhanced and it's not a full image of the earth.

    If the Earth is round you cannot get the whole thing at once, no matter how far out in space you are.


    yeah i understand the sun has to light it up. how about if they put the sun to their back and go straight backwards from the earth? wouldnt they get a whole quarter shape and size pic of the earth?
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sun Jan 24 12:15:00 2021
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    Re: Re: trump
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Jan 21 2021 08:47 pm

    one half. But if you are closer to the Earth, you'll only see a small portion, only to the horizon. Being in "space" only makes the horizon further away than it would be if you were on the ground, or up high in the atmosphere.

    You have to go VERY far, in order to see the globe, and humans haven't travelled that far since the moon landings.


    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and send
    us the photo? ---

    I suppose they could go to the trouble of orentating the probe mid flight to take a photo, then reorentate it, but why?

    What is it you want proven?


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Jan 24 12:17:00 2021
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    that looks enhanced and it's not a full image of the earth.

    If the Earth is round you cannot get the whole thing at once, no matter how far out in space you are.

    Is there argument over whether the Earth is round or not? Is that what this is about?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sat Jan 23 23:08:29 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sun Jan 24 2021 12:15 pm


    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and
    send us the photo? ---

    I suppose they could go to the trouble of orentating the probe mid flight to take a photo, then reorentate it, but why?

    What is it you want proven?

    i want to know why we do not have a photo of the earth that isnt some artist rendered bullshit.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sun Jan 24 22:47:14 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Sat Jan 23 2021 11:08 pm

    Re: Re: trump
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sun Jan 24 2021 12:15 pm


    so can't one of our probes that we launch out do a look back and
    send us the photo? ---

    I suppose they could go to the trouble of orentating the probe mid flig to take a photo, then reorentate it, but why?

    What is it you want proven?

    i want to know why we do not have a photo of the earth that isnt some artist rendered bullshit.

    I think in part NASA want the public interested in space, so as to make public funding of them more palatable. One thing they do, is enhance the images that come back to make the colours more vibrant, and bring out detail, to make things look more interesting. The nebulas you see for example, aren't quite that colourful.

    Space is actual blander than depicted, and I think they figure people don't want to see that. Also, without enhancement, you don't see as much detail, and again, I suppose they figure people want to see the details, the clouds, the contrast, etc, to gather information, than "as it is".


    However, most pictures you will see are enhanced to some degree. Professional photographers will usually tweak the RAW image just a bit. It's not a "rendered" photo, just an adjustment of how the camera saw it.


    Lastly, what a camera sees is also dependent on exposure, lighting, lenses, etc, so adjusting it doesn't make it 'fake'. After all, what you see in the dark looks different depending on whether you've been in the dark a while, or just walked in from a bright room.

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  • From Blackdiamond@VERT/ABBBS to MRO on Sun Jan 24 14:05:00 2021
    Re: Re: trump
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Sat Jan 23 2021 23:08:29

    i want to know why we do not have a photo of the earth that isnt some artist rendered bullshit.

    Why not enjoy a peek over at eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV?
    You'll be able to see live footage from a camera mounted on the ISS, pointed at Earth.

    Correlate that with weather/geo records and the current ISS position and you can pretty easily verify the earth is round with direct footage.

    I mean there is just a mountain of live footage.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Sun Jan 24 09:28:00 2021
    If the Earth is round you cannot get the whole thing at once, no matter how far out in space you are.

    Is there argument over whether the Earth is round or not? Is that what this is about?

    I don't think so, just pointing it out.


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to MRO on Mon Jan 25 08:44:33 2021
    On 2021-01-22 11:14 p.m., MRO wrote:


    that looks enhanced and it's not a full image of the earth.

    I guess it's all about semantic.

    What is your definition of "full image of the earth" ?

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