• Re: Social media shows th

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Wed Jan 20 09:42:47 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: DaiTengu to Arelor on Tue Jan 19 2021 06:37 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Fri Jan 15 2021 12:55 pm

    In any case, as far as I am aware, Parler was actually enforcing anti-violence
    rules - some people got posts deleted and such - which leads to me believe Par
    was taken down for different (political) reasons.

    There's a wonderful archive of posts that were on Parler, pulled directly from the
    API just before AWS cut them off. Discussions about attacks are there. as well as
    hate speech (something not protected by the first amendment), and other things that
    violate AWS's Terms of Service, as well as Apple and Google's.




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    Maybe.

    But given Parler's track record with spam, bot management and such, bad content is
    probably there due to their lack of ability to contain it instead of their lack of
    policy to remove it. It is pretty clear than when some highly popular profile there
    posted something nasty they crushed the post with a banhammer and that is fact.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Wed Jan 20 16:53:00 2021
    most of the Libertarians I've run across are really hard-right conservatives t
    t claim they're Libertarian until someone else does something they don't like,
    nd they have to run to the Government to solve the issue for them.

    OK, I will give that to you. I call them "Libertarians." I once got into
    it with a supposed "Libertarian" about law enforcement. My belief is that it is the government's job to provide certain protections and infrastructure.
    That jibes with the published views of the Libertarian Party.

    They, OTOH, believed that police were bad. If I was still in contact with them, I would suspect they'd be right on with defunding the police. They were not in favor of replacing them with private cops, either.

    They thought there should be no law enforcement. Basically they were anarchists.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 21 00:47:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on
    Fri Jan 15 2021 12:55 pm

    In any case, as far as I am aware, Parler was actually enforcing anti-violence rules - some people got posts deleted and such - which leads to me believe Parler was taken down for different (political) reasons.

    There's a wonderful archive of posts that were on Parler, pulled
    directly from their API just before AWS cut them off. Discussions
    about attacks are there. as well as hate speech (something not
    protected by the first amendment), and other things that violate AWS's Terms of Service, as well as Apple and Google's.

    We really need to make clear what is a platform, and what is a publisher here. ISP's in Australia will use another companies infrastructure. Imagine if that company which onsold the use of their cables to an ISP, had terms of service which stated the ISP cannot transmit hate speech. That wouldn't be reasonable, as the ISP can not, and should not, monitor e-mails for people who might be emailing a friend about how they are against amnesty for illegals.

    It is a stretch to blame Parler itself for the content, anymore than you can blame AT&T for the content of a phone conversation.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 21 20:42:00 2021
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    most of the Libertarians I've run across are really hard-right conservatives
    t

    t claim they're Libertarian until someone else does something they don't
    like,

    nd they have to run to the Government to solve the issue for them.

    OK, I will give that to you. I call them "Libertarians." I once got
    into it with a supposed "Libertarian" about law enforcement. My belief
    is that it is the government's job to provide certain protections and infrastructure. That jibes with the published views of the Libertarian Party.

    They, OTOH, believed that police were bad. If I was still in contact
    with them, I would suspect they'd be right on with defunding the
    police. They were not in favor of replacing them with private cops, either.

    They thought there should be no law enforcement. Basically they were anarchists.

    I don't know about the USA (I suspect its not that different), but in Australia police were making criminals out of old ladies that were just sitting on a park bench, assaulting people without masks. The problem with the police, is that they WILL enforce bad laws. They WILL ruin your life, just because some idiotic politician has decided what you do should be illegal. In the UK, they police "Thought Crimes" and will come after you just because someone in government hasn't like that you've said what you've said.

    Are people who make criminals out of those who didn't do harm, who slavishly uphold (with force, DEADLY FORCE if need be!) laws which work against the people, good people? Oh, people says "its their job", but that doesn't wash. It's not an excuse. If my company asked me to do something ethically reprehensible, I would be complicit if I agreed. Same with Police.

    So no, I have come around to the Libertarian side on this. People that uphold bad laws are bad people. Police do it without question.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Fri Jan 22 10:59:00 2021
    I don't know about the USA (I suspect its not that different), but in Australia
    police were making criminals out of old ladies that were just sitting on a park
    bench, assaulting people without masks. The problem with the police, is that >they WILL enforce bad laws. They WILL ruin your life, just because some >idiotic politician has decided what you do should be illegal. In the UK, they >police "Thought Crimes" and will come after you just because someone in >government hasn't like that you've said what you've said.

    That may happen in some cities here, but it is not happening in my area
    i.e. people without masks in parks and "thought crimes." Some leftist
    might get you "cancelled" for "thought crimes" but the cops don't generally arrest/ticket for those until your thoughts become actions.

    So no, I have come around to the Libertarian side on this. People that uphold >bad laws are bad people. Police do it without question.

    No, you've come around to the "Libertarian" side on that. In this case,
    the quotes are important.


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  • From Tortillaretreat@VERT/CIAD to Dumas Walker on Sun Jan 24 16:58:34 2021
    Re: Re: "Libertarians"
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Fri Jan 22 2021 10:59 am

    That may happen in some cities here, but it is not happening in my area
    i.e. people without masks in parks and "thought crimes." Some leftist
    might get you "cancelled" for "thought crimes" but the cops don't generally arrest/ticket for those until your thoughts
    become actions.

    Can we all agree that authoritarian leftists and rightists that would arrest someone for saying a word are all equally retarded?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TORTILLARETREAT on Mon Jan 25 15:52:00 2021
    That may happen in some cities here, but it is not happening in my area i.e. people without masks in parks and "thought crimes." Some leftist might get you "cancelled" for "thought crimes" but the cops don't generally
    rrest/ticket for those until your thoughts
    become actions.

    Can we all agree that authoritarian leftists and rightists that would arrest s
    eone for saying a word are all equally retarded?

    That doesn't seem to be the problem here, yet, as the ones doing the "cancelling" don't have the authority to arrest anyone.


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Boraxman on Wed Jan 27 13:24:06 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 17 2021 02:22 pm

    So anyone who can be called a racist, should be denied the ability to speak? I am uncomfortable with this. Simply pointing out in Australia that

    Are they being imprisoned for what they're saying? No one is forcefully duct-taping their mouth shut, right?

    No one is being denied the right to speak. They're simply being banned from a really big BBS because the Sysop doesn't want to be associated with what they're saying.

    perhaps the immigration rate was set to high, *DOES* lead you to being called a Xenophobe and Racist. So there should be no discussion about this? The government and vested interest groups who want to screw us over get to spout their nonsense with no opposition?

    There's been a pretty bad knee-jerk reaction as of late, and companies like Facebook and Twitter are banning some people that might not deserve it, but flew a little too close to the sun. You can blame those who did deserve it for that. Regardless, Twitter and Facebook both have the right to prevent people from using their platform.

    This is the problem when you start to put in exceptions to free speech. Where do you draw the line? WHO draws the line? Someone will call me a racist simply for following, or quoting, someone who might disagree with a Leftist opinion on opening the borders to all and sundry.

    Facebook and Twitter are not government platforms. No one is being locked up for saying what they're saying. People are capable of going elsewhere to spout their shitty opinions.

    For instance, I will happily kick someone out of my house if they're being a racist edgelord. I'm not preventing them from speaking, I'm just preventing them from speaking in my house. It's really no different.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dumas Walker on Wed Jan 27 13:35:27 2021
    Re: "Libertarians"
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Wed Jan 20 2021 04:53 pm

    OK, I will give that to you. I call them "Libertarians." I once got into it with a supposed "Libertarian" about law enforcement. My belief is that it is the government's job to provide certain protections and infrastructure. That jibes with the published views of the Libertarian Party.

    hard-line Libertarians want everything privatized, and run through capitalism. Libertarianism is more an economic policy than a governmental one.

    They, OTOH, believed that police were bad. If I was still in contact with them, I would suspect they'd be right on with defunding the police. They were not in favor of replacing them with private cops, either.

    I really hate the "defund the police" term. It's awful, and completely takes away from what the people who coined it want to do.
    Police are a vital compoent to a civilized society. What the "defund the police" people would like to see, is the role of Police moved back to the "serve & protect" mantra. They shouldn't be trying to talk a suicidal person from jumping off a bridge. They shouldn't be capturing people with mental-health issues who may have gotten lost, or wandered off from their homes/facilities. Music Entrepreneuer Trevor McFedries coined the term "Unbundle the Police" and I do think that fits much better.

    They thought there should be no law enforcement. Basically they were anarchists.

    Yep, those weren't Libertarians. those were definitely anarchists.




    They thought there should be no law enforcement. Basically they were anarchists.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 28 01:13:00 2021
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    By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on
    Sun Jan 17 2021 02:22 pm

    So anyone who can be called a racist, should be denied the ability to speak? I am uncomfortable with this. Simply pointing out in Australia that

    Are they being imprisoned for what they're saying? No one is
    forcefully duct-taping their mouth shut, right?

    No one is being denied the right to speak. They're simply being banned from a really big BBS because the Sysop doesn't want to be associated
    with what they're saying.

    No one had their mouth duct tape shut in Nazi Germany either. In the Soviet Union, in later years they used similar tactics. People who spoke out might be moved to a lesser job, or denied certain privileges.

    If someone is carrying out some form of retribution against someone else, it is oppression. Getting fired from your job is like sending someone to prison, it is an attempt at a deterrent and punishment.

    By the way, people DO go to prison for what they say. Look at the UK, where you can land in court.

    perhaps the immigration rate was set to high, *DOES* lead you to being called a Xenophobe and Racist. So there should be no discussion about this? The government and vested interest groups who want to screw us over get to spout their nonsense with no opposition?

    There's been a pretty bad knee-jerk reaction as of late, and companies like Facebook and Twitter are banning some people that might not
    deserve it, but flew a little too close to the sun. You can blame
    those who did deserve it for that. Regardless, Twitter and Facebook
    both have the right to prevent people from using their platform.

    I don't agree they have that right. Twitter and Facebook have chosen to act as a public square, and as such, that puts obligations on them to respect human rights and freedom. You cannot make your service public, reap the benefits of doing so, and simulataneously act as if people are on your private property.


    If Twitter and Facebook don't want people speaking freely, they should redefine themselves as publishers of user content, and not as a place for people to connect with friends and family.


    This is the problem when you start to put in exceptions to free speech. Where do you draw the line? WHO draws the line? Someone will call me a racist simply for following, or quoting, someone who might disagree with a Leftist opinion on opening the borders to all and sundry.

    Facebook and Twitter are not government platforms. No one is being
    locked up for saying what they're saying. People are capable of going elsewhere to spout their shitty opinions.

    Except for them COLLUDING to destroy alternatives like Parler.

    And again, people are having their livelihoods ruined. That is as bad as being locked up (in fact, could be WORSE).

    How anyone can excuse "Cancel culturE" is beyond me. It seems the right of a fair trial, of being judged by someone objective, of having the case determined by evidence is gone. This is pre-medieval justice. Appalling. Utterly appaling.


    For instance, I will happily kick someone out of my house if they're being a racist edgelord. I'm not preventing them from speaking, I'm
    just preventing them from speaking in my house. It's really no
    different.

    That is your personal property. Your house functions as YOUR HOUSE, so you have that right to make someone a trespasser if you no longer want them in. Did you offer your house for public use? No.

    It is very different with Facebook. You are not in Mark Zuckerburgs house, you are using a platform make publically available by Facebook for communication. They made a conscious decision to allow people to communicate and use it to contact and speak with people they know. The fact that it is privately owned does not give Facebook the right to make people rescind their basic fundamental right to freedom of speech and opinion.


    It is very simple. If a company doesn't want to respect human rights, freedom of speech, then they should not offer their product in countries which have such things. Again, no one forced anyone at Facebook to make their product. They CHOSE this, they must abide by the responsibilities they have to other human beings.

    I'm actally gobsmacked that we in the West have fallen so far, debased ourselves so much, that one can no longer assume that people support basic human rights and dignity. The fact that so many put human dignity and rights BELOW the needs of Billionairres desire to control us is evidence of how far we have fallen. I can understand why people talk of a civil war in the USA, it seems you guys want one.



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Wed Jan 27 17:40:07 2021
    On 1/27/2021 12:24 PM, DaiTengu wrote:
    Facebook and Twitter are not government platforms. No one
    is being locked up for saying what they're saying. People
    are capable of going elsewhere to spout their shitty opinions.

    No, but they aren't private ownership either. They are publicly traded companie given additional immunities from the government and those
    should also come with additional conditions and responsibilities beyond
    just to their shareholders.

    How do you feel about forcing a baker to bake a cake with a swaztika or
    gay couple on said cake?
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Wed Jan 27 17:47:07 2021
    On 1/27/2021 12:35 PM, DaiTengu wrote:

    hard-line Libertarians want everything privatized, and run
    through capitalism. Libertarianism is more an economic policy
    than a governmental one.

    Governments have exclusive right to use violence. Libertarians feel
    that such use and to an extent governments themselves should be
    minimalistic in nator.

    As to privatization, that is not the same as corporatization or even
    more local efforts. There's a lot of division into what is essential in
    terms of government from full on anarchists to minimalist Republicant
    types. I find myself somewhere in the middle.

    I really hate the "defund the police" term. It's awful, and
    completely > takes away from what the people who coined it want to do.
    Police are a > vital compoent to a civilized society.

    I think it's a conversation that could be reasonably had in a lot of
    ways. The counter is of course expanding self defense rights and
    firearm ownership of course. Which runs counter to the beliefs of many
    of those proposing "defund the police"

    What the "defund the police" people would like to see, is the role of
    Police moved back to the "serve & protect" mantra. They shouldn't be
    trying to talk a suicidal person from jumping off a bridge.

    I'm not sure that was ever not the police for the most part... at least
    in cities.

    They shouldn't be capturing people with mental-health issues who may
    have gotten lost, or wandered off from their homes/facilities.

    Considering many of those with mental-health issues can be quite
    unstable, irrational and/or dangerous, it's not unreasonable for police
    to (also) be there.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 28 06:39:52 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: DaiTengu to Boraxman on Wed Jan 27 2021 01:24 pm

    There's been a pretty bad knee-jerk reaction as of late, and companies like Facebook and Twitter are banning some people th
    might not deserve it, but flew a little too close to the sun. You can blame those who did deserve it for that. Regardless,
    Twitter and Facebook both have the right to prevent people from using their platform.

    That is a lot like saying that, in a neighbourhood were playing rap is illegal, cops are justified in beating anybody with an
    Eminem t-shirt, because wearing a t-shirt is dangerously close to playing rap. And then telling us that we should blame
    rap-players instead of the cops.

    I supose the next step is to beat negros out of the neighbourhood because "everybody knows negros do rap", and then blame
    rap-players too?

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 2 16:30:43 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Tracker1 to DaiTengu on Wed Jan 27 2021 05:40 pm

    No, but they aren't private ownership either. They are publicly traded companie given additional immunities from the government and those
    should also come with additional conditions and responsibilities beyond just to their shareholders.

    How do you feel about forcing a baker to bake a cake with a swaztika or gay couple on said cake?
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    I made that point earlier in the thread. Twitter/Facebook is a Christian bakery and Trump is a gay wedding cake.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Arelor on Tue Feb 2 16:39:03 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 28 2021 06:39 am

    There's been a pretty bad knee-jerk reaction as of late, and companies
    like Facebook and Twitter are banning some people th might not deserve
    it, but flew a little too close to the sun. You can blame those who
    did deserve it for that. Regardless, Twitter and Facebook both have
    the right to prevent people from using their platform.

    That is a lot like saying that, in a neighbourhood were playing rap is illegal, cops are justified in beating anybody with an Eminem t-shirt, because wearing a t-shirt is dangerously close to playing rap. And then telling us that we should blame rap-players instead of the cops.

    I don't think I've ever seen a worse analogy to anything. Good job for that.

    A: playing rap isn't illegal, except if it's breaking noise ordinances.
    B: Cops aren't justified for beating anyone unless they are are a danger to the police/others
    C: Police/Laws are government institutions where the constitution applies Facebook and Twitter are private organizations (No, "publicly traded" doesn't count.)

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 3 00:38:41 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: DaiTengu to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 02 2021 04:30 pm

    How do you feel about forcing a baker to bake a cake with a swaztika
    or gay couple on said cake?
    --

    I made that point earlier in the thread. Twitter/Facebook is a Christian bakery and Trump is a gay wedding cake.

    Man you Democrats are just nasty and bitter.
    I saw crap like this from the left all over twitter, That's one reason I dumped twitter.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Wed Feb 3 14:37:00 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Denn to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 03 2021 12:38 am

    I made that point earlier in the thread. Twitter/Facebook is a
    Christian bakery and Trump is a gay wedding cake.

    Man you Democrats are just nasty and bitter.
    I saw crap like this from the left all over twitter, That's one reason I dumped twitter.

    How so?

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 3 21:14:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on
    Thu Jan 28 2021 06:39 am

    There's been a pretty bad knee-jerk reaction as of late, and companies
    like Facebook and Twitter are banning some people th might not deserve
    it, but flew a little too close to the sun. You can blame those who
    did deserve it for that. Regardless, Twitter and Facebook both have
    the right to prevent people from using their platform.

    That is a lot like saying that, in a neighbourhood were playing rap is illegal, cops are justified in beating anybody with an Eminem t-shirt, because wearing a t-shirt is dangerously close to playing rap. And then telling us that we should blame rap-players instead of the cops.

    I don't think I've ever seen a worse analogy to anything. Good job for that.

    A: playing rap isn't illegal, except if it's breaking noise ordinances.
    B: Cops aren't justified for beating anyone unless they are are a
    danger to the police/others C: Police/Laws are government institutions where the constitution applies Facebook and Twitter are private organizations (No, "publicly traded" doesn't count.)


    If private organisations don't have to abide by the first amendment, you really don't have free speech, do you? I mean, if they mediate everything, then practically it is gone.

    The constitution was written when "private" companies didn't have such control over our lives and over speech.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 3 21:18:00 2021
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    By: Tracker1 to DaiTengu on
    Wed Jan 27 2021 05:40 pm

    No, but they aren't private ownership either. They are publicly traded companie given additional immunities from the government and those
    should also come with additional conditions and responsibilities beyond just to their shareholders.

    How do you feel about forcing a baker to bake a cake with a swaztika or gay couple on said cake?
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    I made that point earlier in the thread. Twitter/Facebook is a
    Christian bakery and Trump is a gay wedding cake.

    Not really a true analogy, is it? With the bakery, one person was refusing to commit to an action that deemed unacceptable, in the Twitter/Facebook case, no one is being asked to do anything at Twitter/Facebook by Trump.

    Its more the equivalent of the Christan bakery having a "write your own message on a cake in store" service, then refusing to allow the gay couple to make their own message on the cake themselves.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Thu Feb 4 00:00:57 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Wed Feb 03 2021 02:37 pm

    I made that point earlier in the thread. Twitter/Facebook is a
    Christian bakery and Trump is a gay wedding cake.

    Man you Democrats are just nasty and bitter.
    I saw crap like this from the left all over twitter, That's one
    reason I dumped twitter.

    How so?

    Saying for instance "Trump is a gay wedding cake"
    Kathy Griffen holding a Severed bloody Trump Head, Stephan Colbert's Filthy Trump rant.
    Modona Threatning to blow up the white house, The Wenches on the view, Johnny Depp saying when was the last time an actor assinated a president.
    I could go on and on but you get the point.

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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to Denn on Thu Feb 4 09:44:00 2021
    On 04 Feb 2021, Denn said the following...

    How so?

    Saying for instance "Trump is a gay wedding cake"
    Kathy Griffen holding a Severed bloody Trump Head, Stephan Colbert's Filthy Trump rant.
    Modona Threatning to blow up the white house, The Wenches on the view, Johnny Depp saying when was the last time an actor assinated a president.
    I could go on and on but you get the point.
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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to IB Joe on Thu Feb 4 11:35:13 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: IB Joe to Denn on Thu Feb 04 2021 09:44 am

    Worst thing is... Democrats are sore losers and sore winners.

    I would like to disagree.

    After Trump won the 2016 election, I made the statement, "I'm not a fan of him winning, but maybe he'll do something good for the country." This doesn't make me a sore loser, it demonstrates my desire for his success, which in turn is our success.

    Biden is and will never be my first choice, but they are the cards I was dealt and I must accept them. Would someone like Bernie Sanders, who appeals to an even larger group of Americans, have held a higher margin of victory, likely. Am I upset that Biden became our president, no.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dream Master on Thu Feb 4 20:29:07 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dream Master to IB Joe on Thu Feb 04 2021 11:35 am

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: IB Joe to Denn on Thu Feb 04 2021 09:44 am

    Worst thing is... Democrats are sore losers and sore winners.

    I would like to disagree.

    After Trump won the 2016 election, I made the statement, "I'm not a fan of him winning, but maybe he'll do something good for the country." This doesn't make me a sore loser, it demonstrates my desire for his success, which in turn is our success.

    well that's good that you're like that, but i'm around a lot of democrats and i had a commonlaw wife that was one and they do not share those save views.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to IB Joe on Fri Feb 5 01:04:40 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: IB Joe to Denn on Thu Feb 04 2021 09:44 am

    Saying for instance "Trump is a gay wedding cake"
    Kathy Griffen holding a Severed bloody Trump Head, Stephan Colbert's
    Filthy Trump rant.
    Modona Threatning to blow up the white house, The Wenches on the
    view, Johnny Depp saying when was the last time an actor assinated a
    president. I could go on and on but you get the point.
    ---

    Worst thing is... Democrats are sore losers and sore winners.

    Like I said they're just bitter, not only that they like to lie nonstop about the Russia Hoax and they all follow the DNC narrative that there was no voter fraud when it was proven to be rampant fraud.

    https://www.joecheated.com/ <- shows how they did it.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Boraxman on Fri Feb 5 08:35:28 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 03 2021 09:14 pm

    If private organisations don't have to abide by the first amendment, you really don't have free speech, do you? I mean, if they mediate everything, then practically it is gone.

    "Free Speech" Just means the government can't imprision you or punish you for what you say (within reason. For instance, you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater)

    That's the limit of the US Constitution.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Fri Feb 5 08:40:49 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Denn to DaiTengu on Thu Feb 04 2021 12:00 am

    I made that point earlier in the thread. Twitter/Facebook is a
    Christian bakery and Trump is a gay wedding cake.

    Man you Democrats are just nasty and bitter.
    I saw crap like this from the left all over twitter, That's one
    reason I dumped twitter.

    How so?

    Saying for instance "Trump is a gay wedding cake"

    What's wrong with that? is being gay "nasty"? Sounds like you're the one with the problem, bud.

    Kathy Griffen holding a Severed bloody Trump Head, Stephan Colbert's Filthy Trump rant.

    I have a GWAR t-shirt that I wear often, where Blothar the Berzerker is holding up Trump's severed head. it says "Make America GWAR again!"

    Modona Threatning to blow up the white house, The Wenches on the view, Johnny Depp saying when was the last time an actor assinated a president. I could go on and on but you get the point

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    DaiTengu

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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to Denn on Fri Feb 5 07:57:00 2021
    On 05 Feb 2021, Denn said the following...

    Like I said they're just bitter, not only that they like to lie nonstop about the Russia Hoax and they all follow the DNC narrative that there
    was no voter fraud when it was proven to be rampant fraud.

    https://www.joecheated.com/ <- shows how they did it.

    I think we're living in a post constitutional time. It'll be interesting to see what the next couple of years will bring. My eldest daughter had sever questions about todays political and societal changes... All I could do was mail her a copy of 1984.

    I'm thinking the best way around this is to unplug and move to the Dominican Republic and spend my last years on a beach not caring if I'm bad because I have white skin... or I'm racist... or a homophobe... or whatever other phobic group they want to cram me in because I'm a while heterosexual male that self identifies as a heterosexual male... with white skin...

    I was born with white skin and a penis... and OMG, woman are great... even though I've lost my fortune over some bad choices surrounding women... no regrets...

    If I move to the DR I'll have to change the BBS's name to JosesBBS...

    Okay democrats and lefties hate on me for being a white heterosexual male..

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to DaiTengu on Fri Feb 5 11:58:22 2021
    On 2021-02-05 9:35 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

    "Free Speech" Just means the government can't imprision you or punish you for what you say (within reason. For instance, you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater)

    That's the limit of the US Constitution.

    You can say what you want .....

    .... but you have to be accountable for it


    For me it's a good thing.

    like you said, scream "Fire" in a movie theater. You freedom of speech
    might injured people in a riot to the escape door.

    But yes I do believe that freedom of speech is paramount. But it had a
    price.

    I have a driving license, it does not mean i can run over people.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Fri Feb 5 17:21:00 2021
    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Sat Feb 6 14:19:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    @REPLY: <601B1333.20060.dove-deb@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on
    Wed Feb 03 2021 09:14 pm

    If private organisations don't have to abide by the first amendment, you really don't have free speech, do you? I mean, if they mediate everything, then practically it is gone.

    "Free Speech" Just means the government can't imprision you or punish
    you for what you say (within reason. For instance, you can't yell
    "fire!" in a crowded theater)

    That's the limit of the US Constitution.

    It needs to limit private companies as well. That is the weakness with the 1st amendment. It was written when private companies couldn't limit speech all that much. Now they can, massively.

    If you are punished for what you say, you don't have free speech, even if the government does nothing. The Soviet Constituion also had Free Speech, but the didn't in practice. In practice, the USA doesn't really have it either.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to IB Joe on Fri Feb 5 21:19:25 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: IB Joe to Denn on Fri Feb 05 2021 07:57 am

    Like I said they're just bitter, not only that they like to lie
    nonstop about the Russia Hoax and they all follow the DNC narrative
    that there was no voter fraud when it was proven to be rampant
    fraud.

    https://www.joecheated.com/ <- shows how they did it.

    I think we're living in a post constitutional time. It'll be interesting to see what the next couple of years will bring. My eldest daughter had sever questions about todays political and societal changes... All I could do was mail her a copy of 1984.

    I'm thinking the best way around this is to unplug and move to the Dominican Republic and spend my last years on a beach not caring if I'm bad because I have white skin... or I'm racist... or a homophobe... or whatever other phobic group they want to cram me in because I'm a while heterosexual male that self identifies as a heterosexual male... with white skin...

    Democrats like to put everyone into catagories and sub catagories.
    I worked with a man in his 50's that identified himself as a female, One day he told me he want's me to call him by the proper pronoun's
    What he really meant is he wanted me to address him by improper pronoun's.
    If one has a penis the proper pronouns would be male pronouns.
    The world has gone crazy.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 5 21:55:39 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Fri Feb 05 2021 05:21 pm

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does
    that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    First i've heard that also.
    Maybe it played out on CNN for a week? just saying some of these leftist gag down everything they hear on CNN.

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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to Denn on Sat Feb 6 10:31:00 2021
    On 05 Feb 2021, Denn said the following...

    Democrats like to put everyone into catagories and sub catagories.
    I worked with a man in his 50's that identified himself as a female, One day he told me he want's me to call him by the proper pronoun's
    What he really meant is he wanted me to address him by improper pronoun's. If one has a penis the proper pronouns would be male pronouns.
    The world has gone crazy.
    ---

    LBJ was right when he said he'd have a certain segment of the population voting Democratic for the next 200 years.... Formula seems to work for them.

    I watched a news segment the other day. In it they were talking about president Kennedy's, arguably the last real democrat, assassin Lee Harvey Oswald... Anyway, anyone with any sense of the truth knew Oswald as a communist sympathizer. He left the US to live in Russia for 3 years. gave up his passport when he did this. Came back to the US and was overt for his his like for communism and his disdain for a free society like the US. He went to Mexico to meet with Russian agents and later came back and assassinated J.F.K.

    With no evidences to the contrary the democrats painted Oswald as being a right wing zealot and had pretty much convinced a large segment of the population that this is true... The election where Barry Goldwater ran against L.B.J.... I think L.B.J. won every state except Goldwater's home state of Arizona. A lot of people siting that Goldwater was one of those right-wing nut jobs who were responsible for J.F.K.'s assassination.

    Anyway, interesting times.... Same shit different day... Democrats are in bed with 95% of the media, large corporations, big tech and a litany of other means... they want to control the narrative and control what the voting public think and believe.

    I believe we are currently, or close to it, living in post constitutional era. I'm hopeful we can pull out of it....

    Until that time... Life in the D.R. looks sweet and sweeter everyday... Government there is apparently less corrupt then the US and for the most part you have more freedoms than you have in the US.

    Thanx for listening

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENN on Sat Feb 6 10:38:00 2021
    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    First i've heard that also.
    Maybe it played out on CNN for a week? just saying some of these leftist gag down everything they hear on CNN.

    Could be. Could have also been the Facebook or the Twitter. They gag that down also.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Sat Feb 6 13:25:00 2021
    Denn wrote to IB Joe <=-

    Democrats like to put everyone into catagories and sub catagories.

    They want to keep people against one another. It keeps them occupied so that they don't notice
    what the Democrats are trying to do and stop them.

    It worked for Hitler, and the Democrats are well known fans of Hitler.

    I worked with a man in his 50's that identified himself as a female,
    One day he told me he want's me to call him by the proper pronoun's

    I've encountered people like that before. I tell them that I will not participate in their delusion.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Sat Feb 6 08:37:00 2021
    Ennev wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    like you said, scream "Fire" in a movie theater. You freedom of speech might injured people in a riot to the escape door.


    You can't yell "Movie" in a crowded firehouse!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 6 08:37:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to DAITENGU <=-

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 6 18:01:07 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 06 2021 08:37 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to DAITENGU <=-

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".



    who is 'they'? the democrats pretending to be trump supporters for tv?

    i never heard of fuck your feelings.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 7 01:08:40 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 06 2021 08:37 am

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    Who printed T-shirts? QANON? Skinheads? Neo Nazi's? who are "THEY"?

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Sun Feb 7 10:08:54 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Denn to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 01:08 am

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    Who printed T-shirts? QANON? Skinheads? Neo Nazi's? who are "THEY"?

    People who sold "Trump" merchandise. it was common at rallies.

    This is the one that started it all in 2016: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CusBWVpVMAADOqy.jpg

    The flags were more popular in 2020.... as well as the yard signs. I probably saw a dozen yard signs that said "Trump 2020 - Fuck your feelings" around my town before the election this year.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71QIX26q3YL._AC_SY355_.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Fuck_your_Feelings_%26_God% 2C_Guns_and_Trump_button_-_she_seems_really_nice_%2848555430526%29.jpg

    https://i.redd.it/cim6wiooqvo51.jpg

    And those are all from a 10 second google search. It took me longer to get the links right than it did to find them.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Feb 7 09:51:00 2021
    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that >> not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    It is interesting how those of us who are alleged supporters never heard or
    saw any of this, but people who weren't know all about it.


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  • From Vague@VERT/VAGUEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 7 16:35:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does
    hat
    not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    It is interesting how those of us who are alleged supporters never
    heard or saw any of this, but people who weren't know all about it.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sun Feb 7 15:16:40 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Denn to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 01:08 am

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 06 2021 08:37 am

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    Who printed T-shirts? QANON? Skinheads? Neo Nazi's? who are "THEY"?

    GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR LOGIC!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 7 15:22:11 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:51 am

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that >> not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    It is interesting how those of us who are alleged supporters never heard or saw any of this, but people who weren't know all about it.


    it's just as interesting as liberals showing up at trump protester events with maga hats. if there's no trouble they will make it.
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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 7 13:28:22 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:51 am

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    It is interesting how those of us who are alleged supporters never heard or saw any of this, but people who weren't know all about it.

    You see what you want to see. I've seen them throughout town, on Amazon, Etsy, and other places, and if you do a YouTube search, you'll find them there.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Sun Feb 7 16:46:59 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 07 2021 01:28 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:51 am

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    It is interesting how those of us who are alleged supporters never heard or saw any of this, but people who weren't know all about it.

    You see what you want to see. I've seen them throughout town, on Amazon, Etsy, and other places, and if you do a YouTube search, you'll find them there.


    probably planted there by a democrat. that's what they usually find out in the end.

    anyways, do you see your over 70 thousand homeless people in your state in tents? do you see the human feces on the ground and the needles?
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Sun Feb 7 23:03:39 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Sun Feb 07 2021 10:08 am

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    Who printed T-shirts? QANON? Skinheads? Neo Nazi's? who are
    "THEY"?

    People who sold "Trump" merchandise. it was common at rallies.


    Well I've never been to a Trump rally, so apparently you have?

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sun Feb 7 23:21:25 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: MRO to Denn on Sun Feb 07 2021 03:16 pm

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    Who printed T-shirts? QANON? Skinheads? Neo Nazi's? who are "THEY"?

    GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR LOGIC!

    ORANGE MAN BAD

    Lol, He sure made all the leftist's go batshit crazy with all the talk of cleaning up the swamp :)
    The swamp included Democrat's and rino do nothing Republicans, that's probably the whole reason behind the Russia HOAX and the rampant Election fraud.
    And of coarse mainstream media contributes to Democrats for favors that help them and screw everyone else over.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Mon Feb 8 09:11:58 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Denn to DaiTengu on Sun Feb 07 2021 11:03 pm

    Well I've never been to a Trump rally, so apparently you have?

    I also saw it on yard signs around my town. and on a couple flags that people were flying.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Mon Feb 8 09:46:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    it's just as interesting as liberals showing up at trump protester
    events with maga hats. if there's no trouble they will make it. ---

    That's been a Leftie tactic for DECADES. Look up Saul Alinsky.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Feb 8 14:53:00 2021
    it's just as interesting as liberals showing up at trump protester events with >aga hats. if there's no trouble they will make it.

    I have seen youtube posts claiming to show people doing that, so it either hapened at least once or twice, or MAGA people playing like liberals
    playing like MAGA people did it once or twice.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DREAM MASTER on Mon Feb 8 14:54:00 2021
    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

    It is interesting how those of us who are alleged supporters never heard or saw any of this, but people who weren't know all about it.

    You see what you want to see. I've seen them throughout town, on Amazon, Etsy
    and other places, and if you do a YouTube search, you'll find them there.

    Why are you looking for them on Amazon or Etsy? I wouldn't be. As someone
    who would not be a prospective buyer, why would you be?


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Tue Feb 9 11:56:02 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".



    who is 'they'? the democrats pretending to be trump supporters for tv?

    i never heard of fuck your feelings.

    Perhaps they mean "FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS" which is a phrase often said by Ben Shapiro? That's the only similar phrase I can think of.

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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 9 07:12:13 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Mon Feb 08 2021 02:54 pm

    Why are you looking for them on Amazon or Etsy? I wouldn't be. As someone who would not be a prospective buyer, why would you be?

    The statement made to me was that the signs, banners, and shirts were never seen. There is video proof of their existence and use at rallies. I wanted to validate that the items could be purchased on Amazon, Etsy, and elsewhere.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Tue Feb 9 17:04:53 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Tue Feb 09 2021 11:56 am

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".



    who is 'they'? the democrats pretending to be trump supporters for tv?

    i never heard of fuck your feelings.

    Perhaps they mean "FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS" which is a phrase often said by Ben Shapiro? That's the only similar phrase I can think of.

    yeah i saw that before. when he goes to talk at a college and the purple hair people heckle him
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  • From Matthew@VERT/NERDMCL to Dream Master on Tue Feb 9 14:25:20 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 09 2021 07:12 am

    someone who would not be a prospective buyer, why would you be?

    The statement made to me was that the signs, banners, and shirts were never seen. There is video proof of their existence and use at rallies. I wanted to validate that the items could be purchased on Amazon, Etsy, and elsewhere.

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    I remember seeing them for sale on road corners, you know the people who set up with a van and they sell what ever kind of banner or flag you want. But that was months ago around the time of the election. I have seen them flying around, but not for sale in sometime, other than facebook. Some guy was selling trump flags for 10$, biden flags for 20$. Just did a search and found a "fuck your feelings" flag from Ohio for 5$.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Andeddu on Tue Feb 9 23:01:00 2021
    Andeddu wrote to MRO <=-

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    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN
    on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".



    who is 'they'? the democrats pretending to be trump supporters for tv?

    i never heard of fuck your feelings.

    Perhaps they mean "FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS" which is a
    phrase often said by Ben Shapiro? That's the only similar phrase I can think of.

    Ben Shapiro comes accross as being "on the spectrum", so to speak. That statement, that facts don't care about feelings is a troubling one. Humans have this concept of decorum, of politness, and it is USUAL to hide facts, not point them out, in respect of other peoples dignity.

    Lets say you've been horribly disfigured in a fire, we don't point out your look then say "facts don't care about your feelings" if you don't want it discussed. ITs like when Ben was confronting Zoey Tur and kept harping on about how Caitlny (And Zoey) are genetically male. In Ben's mind this is like some new imposition, and he can't seem to comprehend that it is no big deal to just call her "she" and move on, that politeness is not delusion.


    I think Conservatives need a bit more self-awareness of how they come accross.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Tue Feb 9 22:49:54 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Tue Feb 09 2021 11:01 pm

    Ben Shapiro comes accross as being "on the spectrum", so to speak. That statement, that facts don't care about feelings is a troubling one. Humans have this concept of decorum, of politness, and it is USUAL to hide facts, not point them out, in respect of other peoples dignity.



    in the situations where he says this people are trying to bend the truth or outright lie by making vague accusations.

    look then say "facts don't care about your feelings" if you don't want it discussed. ITs like when Ben was confronting Zoey Tur and kept harping on about how Caitlny (And Zoey) are genetically male. In Ben's mind this is like some new imposition, and he can't seem to comprehend that it is no big deal to just call her "she" and move on, that politeness is not delusion.



    so are you saying shapiro handled that wrong? because "hanna zoey tur" grabbed him and threatened him.

    trans people have mental disorders and they need treatment. they have a high suicide rate and often regret their operations. they have a gender identity disorder. we shouldnt play into their bullshit. i'm not say be mean to them but i'm not going to play their game.

    I think Conservatives need a bit more self-awareness of how they come accross.

    people need more action and less bullshit.
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  • From Vague@VERT/VAGUEBBS to Andeddu on Wed Feb 10 00:39:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

    But .. what happened to the MAGA mantra of "Fuck your feelings" ? Does that not apply?

    You're the first person I have ever heard express that.

    THEY PRINTED T-SHIRTS THAT SAID "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".



    who is 'they'? the democrats pretending to be trump supporters for tv?

    i never heard of fuck your feelings.

    Perhaps they mean "FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS" which is a
    phrase often said by Ben Shapiro? That's the only similar phrase I can think of.

    So, either you've been oblivious to the world around you for months, or being willfully ignorant. Either makes you look really bad.

    It really doesn't matter, though, because no matter what you say objective reality still exists... and it contradicts your claims.


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  • From Vague@VERT/VAGUEBBS to MRO on Wed Feb 10 01:33:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I think Conservatives need a bit more self-awareness of how they come accross.

    people need more action and less bullshit.

    And then MR immediately proved Boraxmans point for him. lmao


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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Matthew on Wed Feb 10 07:21:23 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Matthew to Dream Master on Tue Feb 09 2021 02:25 pm

    was selling trump flags for 10$, biden flags for 20$. Just did a search and found a "fuck your feelings" flag from Ohio for 5$.

    LOL ... I'm going to say this and I know I'm going to get grief for it, but...

    See, us damn lefties are trying to profit off of Biden winning. We're trying to screw people out of their money!

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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Boraxman on Wed Feb 10 07:30:29 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Tue Feb 09 2021 11:01 pm

    I think Conservatives need a bit more self-awareness of how they come accross.

    I'm going to point out one of their t-shirts and posters, "Fuck Your Feelings!"

    They simply don't care. The traditional conservative agenda is protection of self not that of others. Sadly, they're demonstrating that they do have feelings when their "Great Leader" fairly and legally lost the election.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Thu Feb 11 04:04:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Tue Feb 09 2021 11:01 pm

    Ben Shapiro comes accross as being "on the spectrum", so to speak. That statement, that facts don't care about feelings is a troubling one. Humans have this concept of decorum, of politness, and it is USUAL to hide facts, not point them out, in respect of other peoples dignity.



    in the situations where he says this people are trying to bend the
    truth or outright lie by making vague accusations.

    look then say "facts don't care about your feelings" if you don't want it discussed. ITs like when Ben was confronting Zoey Tur and kept harping on about how Caitlny (And Zoey) are genetically male. In Ben's mind this is like some new imposition, and he can't seem to comprehend that it is no big deal to just call her "she" and move on, that politeness is not delusion.



    so are you saying shapiro handled that wrong? because "hanna zoey tur" grabbed him and threatened him.

    That physical action wasn't right, I agree.

    trans people have mental disorders and they need treatment. they have a high suicide rate and often regret their operations. they have a
    gender identity disorder. we shouldnt play into their bullshit. i'm
    not say be mean to them but i'm not going to play their game.

    I do realise there are many toxic SJW's, and some of these fringe ideas, such as removing gendered language, replacing "Woman" with "birthing parent", etc, are deplorable. SJW's on the most part, are bad faith actors.

    Self-delusion happens all the time, on a daily basis. We pretend that X is really Y all the time just to keep the system going.

    If we are going to start being pedantic, why stop here? Why start here?

    Jordan Peterson takes a better approach to this issue IMO.


    I think Conservatives need a bit more self-awareness of how they come accross.

    people need more action and less bullshit.

    Agreed.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 04:45:00 2021
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    By: Boraxman to Andeddu on
    Tue Feb 09 2021 11:01 pm

    I think Conservatives need a bit more self-awareness of how they come accross.

    I'm going to point out one of their t-shirts and posters, "Fuck Your Feelings!"

    They simply don't care. The traditional conservative agenda is
    protection of self not that of others. Sadly, they're demonstrating
    that they do have feelings when their "Great Leader" fairly and legally lost the election.

    Modern conservatism is a bit of a confused cesspit. Actually, American politics is a cesspit in general. Conservatives are reactionaries who counter the Liberals lead, and they aren't really conservatives at all, much in the way that the modern Liberal isn't a liberal, but an authoritarian.

    I can respect the view of Conservatives like Roger Scruton, Patrick Deneen and Douglas Murray, but republican party free market full-of-bravado conservatism like Hannity, is nauseating. Whatever legitimate points that Milo Yiannopoulous made was overshadows by his trollish, abrasive persona.

    I do agree with the conservative principles of personal responsibility, having a community, less government intervention. It's just that some people mangle these ideas.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu Feb 11 23:55:16 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Feb 11 2021 04:04 am

    grabbed him and threatened him.

    That physical action wasn't right, I agree.

    that is not a physical action; that is a physical assault. if someone grabbed me in that manner it would be a precursor for a fight.

    high suicide rate and often regret their operations. they have a gender identity disorder. we shouldnt play into their bullshit. i'm not say be mean to them but i'm not going to play their game.

    I do realise there are many toxic SJW's, and some of these fringe ideas, such as removing gendered language, replacing "Woman" with "birthing parent", etc, are deplorable. SJW's on the most part, are bad faith actors.

    Self-delusion happens all the time, on a daily basis. We pretend that X is really Y all the time just to keep the system going.

    we really need to help these people. i'm concerned. we shouldnt be enablers to their mental illness. there's a high suicide rate. we are turning it into something it's not.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sat Feb 13 00:37:00 2021
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    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Feb 11 2021 04:04 am

    grabbed him and threatened him.

    That physical action wasn't right, I agree.

    that is not a physical action; that is a physical assault. if someone grabbed me in that manner it would be a precursor for a fight.

    high suicide rate and often regret their operations. they have a gender identity disorder. we shouldnt play into their bullshit. i'm not say be mean to them but i'm not going to play their game.

    I do realise there are many toxic SJW's, and some of these fringe ideas, such as removing gendered language, replacing "Woman" with "birthing parent", etc, are deplorable. SJW's on the most part, are bad faith actors.

    Self-delusion happens all the time, on a daily basis. We pretend that X is really Y all the time just to keep the system going.

    we really need to help these people. i'm concerned. we shouldnt be enablers to their mental illness. there's a high suicide rate. we are turning it into something it's not. ---

    Its a tough one, because saying the wrong thing can cost you your job in this authoritarian, PC theocracy.

    But I'll say this, I do agree that we should offer the most effective help we can, and that the best solution is the effective one with the least deleterious outcome. It is very concerning that people are required to believe that the answer is always a sex change, and that there might not be something else going on.

    A lot of people are going to have their lives irrevokably damaged from this.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Fri Feb 12 13:34:10 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Feb 13 2021 12:37 am

    Its a tough one, because saying the wrong thing can cost you your job in thi authoritarian, PC theocracy.

    I guess somebody is going to say you are over dramatizing, so let's just throw some piece of news here to back your affirmation (if you don't mind)

    http://www.manlymovie.net/2021/02/carano-firing-exposes-obscene-double-standard s.html

    "Gina Carano has been fired from The Mandalorian [...] Lucasfilm announced this evening that the actress is no longer employed by the studio, nor do they have plans to work with her in the future. This comes in the wake of some Instagram posts Carano made earlier on Wednesday (which have now been deleted), one of which was a re-post from a different Instagram account comparing the plight of being a conservative actor in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust"

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Sat Feb 13 22:57:59 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:34 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Feb 13 2021 12:37 am

    Its a tough one, because saying the wrong thing can cost you your job in authoritarian, PC theocracy.

    I guess somebody is going to say you are over dramatizing, so let's just thr some piece of news here to back your affirmation (if you don't mind)

    http://www.manlymovie.net/2021/02/carano-firing-exposes-obscene-double-stand s.html

    "Gina Carano has been fired from The Mandalorian [...] Lucasfilm announced t evening that the actress is no longer employed by the studio, nor do they ha plans to work with her in the future. This comes in the wake of some Instagr posts Carano made earlier on Wednesday (which have now been deleted), one of which was a re-post from a different Instagram account comparing the plight being a conservative actor in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust

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    The media just had to spin it, didn't they. She didn't compare being a conserv ative in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust. She was just saying that there were similar patterns in motivation. That is a different thing.


    I heard someone say that we should consider Established Media the way we consider the Tobacco Lobby these days, and he wasn't wrong.

    They truly are gutter dwelling trash.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Sat Feb 13 13:57:41 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Sat Feb 13 2021 10:57 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:34 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Feb 13 2021 12:37 am

    Its a tough one, because saying the wrong thing can cost you your job in authoritarian, PC theocracy.

    I guess somebody is going to say you are over dramatizing, so let's just thr some piece of news here to back your affirmation (i
    you don't mind)

    http://www.manlymovie.net/2021/02/carano-firing-exposes-obscene-double-stand s.html

    "Gina Carano has been fired from The Mandalorian [...] Lucasfilm announced t evening that the actress is no longer employed by t
    studio, nor do they ha plans to work with her in the future. This comes in the wake of some Instagr posts Carano made earlier on
    Wednesday (which have now been deleted), one of which was a re-post from a different Instagram account comparing the plight bei
    a conservative actor in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust

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    The media just had to spin it, didn't they. She didn't compare being a conserv ative in Hollywood to being Jewish during the
    holocaust. She was just saying that there were similar patterns in motivation. That is a different thing.


    I heard someone say that we should consider Established Media the way we consider the Tobacco Lobby these days, and he wasn't wrong

    They truly are gutter dwelling trash.


    Relatedly, Gina has been recently hired to appear in some e film so her career is far from over :-)

    "Carano says: "I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have
    only just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I hope it inspires others to do the same. They can't cancel
    us if we don't let them."

    http://www.manlymovie.net/2021/02/news-eddie-murphy-new-carano-movie-face-off-2.html

    Frankly, I am growing increasingly disgusting at Disney and its subsidiary films.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Sun Feb 14 10:12:00 2021
    The media just had to spin it, didn't they. She didn't compare being a conserv
    ative in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust. She was just saying >that there were similar patterns in motivation. That is a different thing.

    What she actually said, if the source I read can be trusted, was that the
    Nazis convinced the non-Jewish public that the Jews were bad first, which
    then caused some of the public to do their dirty work for them. I would
    add that it also made it easier for the Nazis to do the rest of their dirty work later without as many non-Jews putting up resistance.

    Her comparision was between the Nazi-run press of the 1930's and the leftist-run US press of today. Both demonize/ed types of people in order
    to sway public opinion against those types of people. There is little
    doubt that is going on here now. We need to watch out for what could come next.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 14 14:59:02 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sun Feb 14 2021 10:12 am

    The media just had to spin it, didn't they. She didn't compare being a conserv
    ative in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust. She was just saying >that there were similar patterns in motivation. That is a different thing.

    What she actually said, if the source I read can be trusted, was that the Nazis convinced the non-Jewish public that the Jews were bad first, which then caused some of the public to do their dirty work for them. I would
    add that it also made it easier for the Nazis to do the rest of their dirty work later without as many non-Jews putting up resistance.

    the thing is, the jews were a minority over there but they took over everything.

    everthing was in shambles and that is what allowed hitler to take over.
    he made a lot of huge improvements. pregnant women were given free healthcare, huge interest rates on loans were outlawed. tons of stuff.
    unemployment improved. programs were created to protect the environment.

    pretty much everything hitler did was an improvement because germany was so bad back then. they were also all addicted to meth.

    the genocide and sending jews to palestine was the shitty stuff.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Mon Feb 15 10:01:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Sat Feb 13 2021 10:57 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:34 pm

    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Feb 13 2021 12:37 am

    Its a tough one, because saying the wrong thing can cost you your job
    i
    n authoritarian, PC theocracy.

    I guess somebody is going to say you are over dramatizing, so let's just
    t
    hr some piece of news here to back your affirmation (i
    you don't mind)


    http://www.manlymovie.net/2021/02/carano-firing-exposes-obscene-double-sta
    nd s.html

    "Gina Carano has been fired from The Mandalorian [...] Lucasfilm
    announced
    t evening that the actress is no longer employed by t
    studio, nor do they ha plans to work with her in the future. This comes
    in
    the wake of some Instagr posts Carano made earlier on
    Wednesday (which have now been deleted), one of which was a re-post from
    a
    different Instagram account comparing the plight bei
    a conservative actor in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust

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    The media just had to spin it, didn't they. She didn't compare being a
    conse
    rv ative in Hollywood to being Jewish during the
    holocaust. She was just saying that there were similar patterns in
    motivatio
    n. That is a different thing.


    I heard someone say that we should consider Established Media the way we
    cons
    ider the Tobacco Lobby these days, and he wasn't wrong

    They truly are gutter dwelling trash.


    Relatedly, Gina has been recently hired to appear in some e film so her career is far from over :-)

    "Carano says: "I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have only
    just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I
    hope it inspires others to do the same. They can't cancel us if we
    don't let them."

    http://www.manlymovie.net/2021/02/news-eddie-murphy-new-carano-movie-fac e-off-2.html

    Frankly, I am growing increasingly disgusting at Disney and its
    subsidiary films.

    Me too, and you can lump in a lot of the corporate world in that bucket. The more they talk of their "values", the more evil they become. It isn't just that she was fired, it was also that the media were happy to lie and misrepresent her. There is truly a lot of corruption in American leadership positions.

    Good to see she still has options. I have no opinion one way or the other in term of her acting skills, but if cancellation brings new opportunities, it makes the threats less effective.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 15 10:17:00 2021
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    The media just had to spin it, didn't they. She didn't compare being a conserv

    ative in Hollywood to being Jewish during the holocaust. She was just saying
    that there were similar patterns in motivation. That is a different thing.

    What she actually said, if the source I read can be trusted, was that
    the Nazis convinced the non-Jewish public that the Jews were bad first, which then caused some of the public to do their dirty work for them.
    I would add that it also made it easier for the Nazis to do the rest of their dirty work later without as many non-Jews putting up resistance.

    Her comparision was between the Nazi-run press of the 1930's and the leftist-run US press of today. Both demonize/ed types of people in
    order to sway public opinion against those types of people. There is little doubt that is going on here now. We need to watch out for what could come next.

    Thats what I read from her tweet, a warning of what type of thinking can lead to. The demonisation was more than just demonisation, it had to involve demonising anyone who supported the Jews, or those who were neutral on the matter. You see, it wasn't just the Jews they were after, it was any German who might be construed as being on their side. So people were afraid to speak up, and because few spoke it, it APPEARED that the population was with the Nazis. With the population scared to speak up, there is little opposition.

    There is another aspect, and that is the importance of the mission. Communism and Nazism made it as if there a massive existential threat. That we were at a crossroads, and the fate of humanity hung in the balance. They didn't just make out Jews to be troublesome, the SURVIVAL of the nation was at stake. Look at how leftists talk of this supposed bigotry causing genocide. They make out as if right wing views are killing people by the thousands, and imperiling us all. This drives justification, an urgency, it makes taking a life the lesser evil.

    Time and time again I see rhetoric which would easily justify murder later on, and its a worry, it really is.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Mon Feb 15 14:33:00 2021
    There is another aspect, and that is the importance of the mission. Communism >and Nazism made it as if there a massive existential threat. That we were at a
    crossroads, and the fate of humanity hung in the balance. They didn't just >make out Jews to be troublesome, the SURVIVAL of the nation was at stake. Look
    at how leftists talk of this supposed bigotry causing genocide. They make out >as if right wing views are killing people by the thousands, and imperiling us >all. This drives justification, an urgency, it makes taking a life the lesser >evil.

    Time and time again I see rhetoric which would easily justify murder later on, >and its a worry, it really is.

    Agreed. Maybe not at this minute but if we ever swerve too far left,
    towards communism or some other collective "greater good" path, there will
    be trouble for those who do not comply.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 16 21:49:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

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    There is another aspect, and that is the importance of the mission. Communism
    and Nazism made it as if there a massive existential threat. That we were at a

    crossroads, and the fate of humanity hung in the balance. They didn't just
    make out Jews to be troublesome, the SURVIVAL of the nation was at stake. Look

    at how leftists talk of this supposed bigotry causing genocide. They make out
    as if right wing views are killing people by the thousands, and imperiling us
    all. This drives justification, an urgency, it makes taking a life the lesser
    evil.

    Time and time again I see rhetoric which would easily justify murder later on,
    and its a worry, it really is.

    Agreed. Maybe not at this minute but if we ever swerve too far left, towards communism or some other collective "greater good" path, there
    will be trouble for those who do not comply.



    The "Communist-Capitalist" dichotomy or axis is not useful as an explanatory model anymore. It is clear that Capitalist entities, CEO's, large companies, big finance, big tech are on the same side as the "communists". Using the term implies that the point of difference is public vs private ownership of the means of capital, and public vs private renting of people, but that isn't the debate.

    This is part of why I think conservatives are losing, many are still fighting the ideological war of the 1940s and 1950s, and are obsolete.

    Woke activists aren't really concerned about this.

    What they are is closer to a religion.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Wed Feb 17 17:41:58 2021
    Re: Re: Social media shows th
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 16 2021 09:49 pm

    This is part of why I think conservatives are losing, many are still fighting the ideological war of the 1940s and 1950s, and are obsolete.

    Woke activists aren't really concerned about this.

    you mean people with blue and purple hair that dont have jobs?
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