• Re: Stallman cancellation

    From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Sat Apr 10 10:25:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Bur is he jerky enough for all the storm which has been generated
    around him?

    No. But there is a concerted effort by SJWs to "bring down" any high-profile person.

    When Linux Torvalds was giving talks, for example, he went nowhere (and I mean nowhere) without a wingman. So there's always a witness in case someone makes an accusation.

    Many high-profile open source male gurus stopped mentoring women for fear
    that one would be an SJW and accuse him of something.

    The risk is real - and NOT NEW (which surprised me).


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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to DaiTengu on Tue Apr 13 22:24:00 2021
    RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.
    RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the theory o least effort.

    RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thing if not for him, right?!



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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to paulie420 on Wed Apr 14 12:37:00 2021
    RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.
    RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the the least effort.

    RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thi ng if not for him, right?!

    These two statements are not mutually exclusive. He was a visionary in his
    time who started an entire movement that we all have benefited from today. He is also very likely on the autistic spectrum, probably asperger's, which prevents him from understanding social cues. He has stated that he's been
    told that he makes other people uncomfortable with some of the things he
    says, but he doesn't understand why.

    He should be accountable for harm he causes, but that doesn't mean he and the movement he started should be canceled. There's no doubt there's some very powerful silicon valley interests behind this.

    The next battle in this war is just beginning. If you are familiar with the Amazon and ElasticSearch situation, that's going to be the way it's is done going forward. Open source and "single source" has been a trend for a number of years, but I think we'll continue to see that backfire as it did on ElasticSearch. Not only does everyone still think Amazon created ElasticSearch, but they solidified that belief by forking and releasing it as OpenSearch. I'd bet ElasticSearch gets acquired within 3 years because Amazon just took their business model away from them.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to paulie420 on Wed Apr 14 07:11:00 2021
    paulie420 wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thing if not for him, right?!

    Yeah, he did his part and should have slinked out of the limelight years
    ago, long before he became and icon and a liability to the movement.

    We'd be remembering him fondly by now instead of wondering what the hell
    he's been thinking all of these years.


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to paulie420 on Mon Apr 19 17:11:54 2021
    Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
    By: paulie420 to DaiTengu on Tue Apr 13 2021 10:24 pm

    RMS is a fucking shitheel. He only cares about stroking his own ego.

    RMS is a bit of a jerk, to say the least. I think that's the
    theory o least effort.
    RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a different thing if not for him, right?!

    Just because he started a thing, and I can enjoy it, doesn't mean he's not a horrible excuse for a human being.

    He hasn't done anything remotely useful in the last 20 years. Move. The. Fuck. On.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Thu Apr 22 05:21:22 2021
    Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
    By: DaiTengu to paulie420 on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:11 pm

    He hasn't done anything remotely useful in the last 20 years. Move. The. Fu On.

    His current declared enemies seem to come from corporate funded taskforces, so it looks to me like he is pissing corporate interests off. Stallman is fun to keep if just for that :-P

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to lynx769 on Tue May 4 09:04:23 2021
    On 4/14/2021 5:37 AM, lynx769 wrote:

    The next battle in this war is just beginning. If you are familiar with the Amazon and ElasticSearch situation, that's going to be the way it's is done going forward. Open source and "single source" has been a trend for a number of
    years, but I think we'll continue to see that backfire as it did on ElasticSearch. Not only does everyone still think Amazon created ElasticSearch,
    but they solidified that belief by forking and releasing it as OpenSearch. I'd
    bet ElasticSearch gets acquired within 3 years because Amazon just took their business model away from them.

    I sincerely hope not AWS is a horrible steward for open-source in
    general, and has an even worse history of UI/UX on their SaaS products.

    Unfortunately, in the days of large cloud providers, SaaS models need a slightly different license than a lot of more traditional open-source,
    and will depend on the business models of the backing/founding companies.

    I prefer open-source, but am not blind to the realities of companies
    that at least try to do the right thing while making a living for
    themselves and employees.

    (disclosure, I have a family member that works for Elastic).
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 4 09:07:46 2021
    On 4/14/2021 7:11 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    RMS is a rockstar and started all of this. You realize we'd have a
    different thing if not for him, right?!

    Yeah, he did his part and should have slinked out of the limelight years
    ago, long before he became and icon and a liability to the movement.

    We'd be remembering him fondly by now instead of wondering what the hell
    he's been thinking all of these years.

    Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
    come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different culture.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Tue May 4 09:11:08 2021
    On 4/22/2021 3:21 AM, Arelor wrote:
    His current declared enemies seem to come from corporate funded
    taskforces, so it looks to me like he is pissing corporate
    interests off. Stallman is fun to keep if just for that :-P

    Mostly agreed... funny that so many outspoken individuals seem to be
    those perfectly happy propping up massive tech conglomerates or CCP
    interests without issue. Or those talking of being more understanding
    and accepting of different cultures... which generational differences
    are definitely differing cultures.

    I'm not defending any specific statements or actions of RMS, only
    pointing out that a lot of the cancel culture is very hypocritical.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Tue May 4 17:57:32 2021
    Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 04 2021 09:07 am

    Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
    come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different culture. --

    tolerance and understanding?!

    if you arent trans and jewish you are a second class citizen in today's age.

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  • From Wa1tnr@VERT/CARNAGE to Tracker1 on Wed May 5 00:31:15 2021
    Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 04 2021 09:07 am

    Or... people should exercise tolerance
    Especially with older folk who come from a different
    time, which is effectively vastly different culture.

    That's *very* well put. ;) Good on ya, back quiet.

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  • From Elf@VERT/DMINE to Tracker1 on Wed May 5 09:01:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
    come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
    culture. --

    I agree, but that would be a novel concept. A little too logical and simple for today's world, however.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Wed May 5 06:59:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
    come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
    culture.

    I guess it all depends on where you land with regards to sexual assault and trafficking of minors. RMS and I see things differently.

    To play devil's advocate, I've never seen a more tone-deaf public figure
    than RMS - over a long period of time, and consistently.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Thu May 20 11:14:36 2021
    On 5/4/2021 3:57 PM, MRO wrote:
    Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance
    of different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk
    who come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
    culture.

    tolerance and understanding?!

    if you arent trans and jewish you are a second class citizen in
    today's age.

    I'm speaking of/to the woke... and it's funny/ironic that statement
    didn't even stand up for a few weeks.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 20 11:22:28 2021
    On 5/5/2021 6:59 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    Or... people should exercise tolerance, understanding and acceptance of
    different cultures and personalities. Especially with older folk who
    come from a different time, which is effectively vastly different
    culture.

    I guess it all depends on where you land with regards to sexual assault and trafficking of minors. RMS and I see things differently.

    To play devil's advocate, I've never seen a more tone-deaf public figure
    than RMS - over a long period of time, and consistently.

    To my knowledge, nobody is in favor of sex trafficking or assault.
    IIRC, the statement was something along the lines of a female at 16-17yo
    is not the same as a female at 10-12 years or younger.

    I used to know someone who was tried and convicted of statutory rape of
    a minor and has to spend the rest of his life as a registered child sex offender, because he was 18yo, had sex with his then 17yo girl friend
    and the girl's parents were friends with the local DA.

    Shit like the above isn't justice.

    I also remember a response to a Douglas Crockford video/presentation
    where he said, "developers like their code strong." while flexing, and
    the woke blew up and accused him of being misogynistic... projecting
    much, as if women can't be strong.

    Wokeness knows no bounds, and it's approaching insane levels at this point.
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  • From Ksource@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tracker1 on Fri May 21 01:46:00 2021
    Re: Re: Stallman cancellation
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 20 2021 11:22 am

    On 5/5/2021 6:59 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    I guess it all depends on where you land with regards to sexual assault an trafficking of minors. RMS and I see things differently.

    To play devil's advocate, I've never seen a more tone-deaf public figure than RMS - over a long period of time, and consistently.

    To my knowledge, nobody is in favor of sex trafficking or assault.
    IIRC, the statement was something along the lines of a female at 16-17yo
    is not the same as a female at 10-12 years or younger.

    It wasn't even this. It was "Would Minsky have known that she was underage and/or trafficked?". RMS's argument was, if she had been introduced to Minsky without him being told her age and that she was trafficked, should he be responsible for not knowing that?

    Though I won't defend Minsky too much since he's definitely a creep. If some girl obviously much less than half your age is instantly acting like she's super into you, I feel like you should be asking some questions about what's going on.

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