• benefits outweigh the risks

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to All on Tue May 4 23:19:00 2021
    8,430 DEAD 354,177 Injuries due to COVID-19 "Vaccines"

    Their report through April 24, 2021 lists 8,430 deaths and
    354,177 injuries following injections of four experimental
    COVID-19 shots:

    COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
    COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
    COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
    COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)

    Lists of DETAILED reactions HERE:

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/8430-dead-354177-injuries-european-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-vaccines/

    https://tinyurl.com/yftb8h6m


    The benefits outweigh the risks?



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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Ogg on Wed May 5 08:22:00 2021
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    The benefits outweigh the risks?

    It depends on many things.

    If you have an 80 year old who is in OK health, the vaccine will probably
    help more than it hurts.

    If you have someone who is 40 who is in poor health (i.e. morbidly obese, etc), the vaccine will probably help more than it hurts.

    But the VAST majority of the population won't get any benefit from the vaccine. Their immune system will take care of it. This is especially true for the under 20 crowd.

    But for some reason "science" says that states (i.e. Michigan) can't completely open back up until vaccination rate is 70%+.

    Everything about COVID has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Wed May 5 11:59:44 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the risks
    By: Ogg to All on Tue May 04 2021 11:19 pm

    8,430 DEAD 354,177 Injuries due to COVID-19 "Vaccines"

    Their report through April 24, 2021 lists 8,430 deaths and
    354,177 injuries following injections of four experimental
    COVID-19 shots:

    COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
    COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
    COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
    COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)

    Lists of DETAILED reactions HERE:

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/8430-dead-354177-injuries-european-database-of-adverse-drug-reaction
    or-covid-19-vaccines/

    https://tinyurl.com/yftb8h6m


    The benefits outweigh the risks?

    This morning, a doctor here told some patient that the benefit outweighted the risk. The patient was a
    eighty-something years old though so maybe being in a risk group counts.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed May 5 15:43:51 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the risks
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Wed May 05 2021 11:59 am


    The benefits outweigh the risks?

    This morning, a doctor here told some patient that the benefit outweighted the risk. The patient was a eighty-something years old though so maybe being in a risk group counts.



    well, it might be useless because it mutates. i'm not even sure if this 'vaccine' even helps anybody who gets covid.

    i think it's just something to shut people up so we can 'move on'
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Wed May 5 15:21:00 2021
    Everything about COVID has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.

    IMHO, this is the biggest problem with the whole thing.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Wed May 5 22:42:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Wednesday 05.05.21 - 11:59, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    8,430 DEAD 354,177 Injuries due to COVID-19 "Vaccines"

    https://tinyurl.com/yftb8h6m

    The benefits outweigh the risks?

    This morning, a doctor here told some patient that the
    benefit outweighted the risk. The patient was a eighty-
    something years old though so maybe being in a risk group
    counts.

    This seems to be a big story in your Spain (from mid February
    2021):

    https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia- barrios-provoca-46-muertes-coronavirus-202102040941_noticia.html

    Translated:

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/second-pfizer-covid-shot- halted-in-spain-after-46-deaths-in-one-nursing-home-following-
    the-first-shot/



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu May 6 07:32:49 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the ris
    By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Wed May 05 2021 03:21 pm

    Everything about COVID has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.

    IMHO, this is the biggest problem with the whole thing.


    politicians and scum bags like bill gates treated covid like an opportunity. they have been planning for something like this for a very long time.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu May 6 16:08:00 2021
    IMHO, this is the biggest problem with the whole thing.


    politicians and scum bags like bill gates treated covid like an opportunity. they have been planning for something like this for a very long time.

    No kidding. Many of them love the opportunity to control others.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu May 6 16:52:00 2021
    well, it might be useless because it mutates. i'm not even sure if this 'vacc
    e' even helps anybody who gets covid.

    i think it's just something to shut people up so we can 'move on'

    I know of one person who got COVID between doses. Got really sick. They
    are older and have some other health problems, though.


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to DR. WHAT on Thu May 6 23:23:00 2021
    DR. WHAT wrote to OGG <=-

    But for some reason "science" says that states (i.e. Michigan) can't completely open back up until vaccination rate is 70%+.

    Everything about COVID has been politicized and cannot be accepted at
    face value.

    I read today where a gaming convention will require proof of vaccination
    for attendance... Let me find the link...

    Well - can't find it now...





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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to DUMAS WALKER on Thu May 6 23:28:00 2021
    DUMAS WALKER wrote to <=-

    well, it might be useless because it mutates. i'm not even sure if this
    'vacc

    e' even helps anybody who gets covid.

    i think it's just something to shut people up so we can 'move on'

    I know of one person who got COVID between doses. Got really sick.
    They are older and have some other health problems, though.

    This is legally hearsay, but a guy at church that works as a Paramedic.
    He's been going to Texas to work and HE said the CDC reported that it
    doesn't actually prevent the virus, it just prevents the SYMPTOMS.

    Now - IF that is true, and the symptoms are what kills, then getting
    the vaccine does nothing to stop the SPREAD, right?




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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Fri May 7 08:17:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    politicians and scum bags like bill gates treated covid like an opportunity. they have been planning for something like this for a very long time.

    No kidding. Many of them love the opportunity to control others.

    There's always been a group of people who believe that they are the Chosen Ones. The ones who are born to rule. The ones who can fix everything, if
    only people will just do as they say.

    It's funny because the people who are like that often have completely messed
    up lives. Some of them, like Bill Gates, got rich, not because they produced
    a great product, but because their competitors messed up and handed them opportunity.

    Think of what would have happened if Gary Kildall had been there when IBM (literally) came knocking on his door. Microsoft probably would not have reached its dominance that it has today and Bill Gates would be wealthy,
    but not to the extent that he is now.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Fri May 7 08:18:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    I know of one person who got COVID between doses. Got really sick.
    They are older and have some other health problems, though.

    It's pretty well known now that if you get COVID while your body is handling the "vaccine" that your symptoms will be significantly worse. Sort of like getting double-COVID.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri May 7 08:20:00 2021
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

    This is legally hearsay, but a guy at church that works as a Paramedic. He's been going to Texas to work and HE said the CDC reported that it doesn't actually prevent the virus, it just prevents the SYMPTOMS.

    He's correct. The "vaccine" only trains your body to fight COVID if it
    gets it. You still get it, but the symptoms are much milder.

    Now - IF that is true, and the symptoms are what kills, then getting
    the vaccine does nothing to stop the SPREAD, right?

    Right. Another reason why "vaccine passports" are political BS.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Fri May 7 09:06:01 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the ris
    By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Fri May 07 2021 08:17 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    politicians and scum bags like bill gates treated covid like an opportunity. they have been planning for something like this for a very long time.

    No kidding. Many of them love the opportunity to control others.

    There's always been a group of people who believe that they are the

    Chosen
    Ones. The ones who are born to rule. The ones who can fix everything, if only people will just do as they say.

    that's what happens when you become a god due to power and money

    up lives. Some of them, like Bill Gates, got rich, not because they produced
    a great product, but because their competitors messed up and handed them opportunity.


    they didnt just have success dropped infront of them. they worked hard. they made the correct choices.

    gary kildall was a bad businessman and an alcoholic. he made MANY bad decisions and it's still not clear what went on with ibm dealings. also let me point out that ibm approached DR because Bill Gates recommended him.

    he died a rich man and had all his fun. the planes and the cars and the fast living.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Fri May 7 09:06:37 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the ris
    By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Fri May 07 2021 08:18 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    I know of one person who got COVID between doses. Got really sick. They are older and have some other health problems, though.

    It's pretty well known now that if you get COVID while your body is handling the "vaccine" that your symptoms will be significantly worse. Sort of like getting double-COVID.



    see, i heard that it's the opposite.

    we dont know anything about this shit
    i don't believe any information on it.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri May 7 11:26:00 2021
    This is legally hearsay, but a guy at church that works as a Paramedic.
    He's been going to Texas to work and HE said the CDC reported that it
    doesn't actually prevent the virus, it just prevents the SYMPTOMS.

    Now - IF that is true, and the symptoms are what kills, then getting
    the vaccine does nothing to stop the SPREAD, right?

    That is what a lot of people are claiming. I think that Fauci has even
    said something like that. I think it depends on which one you get, but
    they are mostly geared to keep you from dying but you can still spread it
    if you come in contact with (enough of) it.

    At least that is what I am assuming. Better safe than sorry.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sat May 8 09:59:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    There's always been a group of people who believe that they are the
    Chosen
    Ones. The ones who are born to rule. The ones who can fix everything, if only people will just do as they say.

    that's what happens when you become a god due to power and money

    Actually, the power and money only let them force their beliefs on others. Their feeling that they are the Chosen Ones existed before they had power and money.

    they didnt just have success dropped infront of them. they worked hard. they made the correct choices.

    Early on, you can make that argument about Gates. But the IBM deal was dropped in his lap and he didn't work hard after that - as evidenced by the poor products Microsoft produced after that.

    gary kildall was a bad businessman and an alcoholic.

    Gary was a techie and certainly not a good business man. He only became an alcoholic after he realized what he messed up - and how that hurt his personal life.

    decisions and it's still not clear what went on with ibm dealings. also let me point out that ibm approached DR because Bill Gates recommended him.

    Correct. I said nothing bad about Gates' dealings here. But the facts of the matter are:
    1. Microsoft did NOT have a product for IBM, nor did Microsoft have the ABILITY to produce the product that IBM wanted - that's why they purchased DOS from a different company.
    2. The IBM deal was literally dropped into Gates' lap.

    Microsoft's, and Gates', success here was handed to them. Gates took advantage of the situation (and I mean no disrespect to him for doing that because I would have done the same thing).

    I argue that without that deal, Microsoft would have remained a powerful software company, but significantly less powerful than it has become.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat May 8 09:56:29 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the ris
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sat May 08 2021 09:59 am


    that's what happens when you become a god due to power and money

    Actually, the power and money only let them force their beliefs on others. Their feeling that they are the Chosen Ones existed before they had power and money.

    i doubt that. when you get money and power is when you start thinking like that. there are thousands of examples. look at anybody with money and power.

    Early on, you can make that argument about Gates. But the IBM deal was dropped in his lap and he didn't work hard after that - as evidenced by the poor products Microsoft produced after that.

    i dont know what planet you are on but microsoft has been a forerunner for many decades.


    Gary was a techie and certainly not a good business man. He only became an alcoholic after he realized what he messed up - and how that hurt his personal life.


    you dont know that. and the dude was still rich. he had everything. he didnt have to become an alcoholic because he 'messed up'. he didnt mess up. he had tons of money and could live his life how he wanted.

    Correct. I said nothing bad about Gates' dealings here. But the facts of the matter are:
    1. Microsoft did NOT have a product for IBM, nor did Microsoft have the ABILITY to produce the product that IBM wanted - that's why they purchased DOS from a different company.

    dude, that shit is just part of business. that happens all the time. there's nothing wrong with that.

    Microsoft's, and Gates', success here was handed to them. Gates took advantage of the situation (and I mean no disrespect to him for doing that because I would have done the same thing).


    being successful is not a crime. not being stupid is not a crime.
    the other dude sent his fucking wife to talk to ibm when she didn't even know about their popular non disclosure agreement. just so he can go flying with his buddy. dude could have used fedex if he REALLY needed to get software to a client.

    I argue that without that deal, Microsoft would have remained a powerful software company, but significantly less powerful than it has become.

    well, that's your opinion. apple didnt get that deal and they still came out doing well. they were all the same kinds of people and all knew eachother. they were going to be big shots no matter what.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Sun May 9 11:13:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Everything about COVID has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.

    IMHO, this is the biggest problem with the whole thing.

    Everything has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value. This
    has been going on for some time now.

    There, I fixed the typo. :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Sun May 9 11:15:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    I know of one person who got COVID between doses. Got really sick.
    They are older and have some other health problems, though.

    I'm a week into my second dose and am keeping my distance for another week.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Mon May 10 08:51:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    i doubt that. when you get money and power is when you start thinking like that. there are thousands of examples. look at anybody with money and power.

    I have to disagree. I've known too many people with power and money who thought that they were the Chosen Ones.

    We tend to notice the ones who have money and power more because they do negative things.

    i dont know what planet you are on but microsoft has been a forerunner
    for many decades.

    I've been around since "Micro-Soft" and the TRS-80 Model I.

    you dont know that.

    No. But I know Stewart Chiefet (Computer Chronicles) who was a good
    friend of Gary Kildall.

    and the dude was still rich. he had everything. he
    didnt have to become an alcoholic because he 'messed up'. he didnt
    mess up. he had tons of money and could live his life how he wanted.

    His company was #1 with CP/M. He messed up the deal with IBM. The end
    result of that was divorce, criticism, and the loss of his company as
    people abandoned CP/M in favor of MS-DOS.

    Having money does not solve all problems.

    dude, that shit is just part of business. that happens all the time. there's nothing wrong with that.

    I never said there was anything wrong with that.

    What I pointed out was:
    1. Microsoft didn't earn that deal with IBM with a better product.
    2. Without that boost from the IBM deal, Microsoft would probably not have become the gorilla that it is today.

    being successful is not a crime. not being stupid is not a crime.

    I never said it was. Please read what I write and not read things into what I write.

    the other dude sent his fucking wife to talk to ibm when she didn't
    even know about their popular non disclosure agreement. just so he can
    go flying with his buddy. dude could have used fedex if he REALLY
    needed to get software to a client.

    That's not what happened. You are repeating the rumors that have floated around for a while.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 10 09:08:00 2021
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Everything about COVID has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.

    IMHO, this is the biggest problem with the whole thing.

    Everything has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.
    This has been going on for some time now.

    There, I fixed the typo. :)

    And you are probably closer to the truth than we think.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon May 10 14:34:00 2021
    I know of one person who got COVID between doses. Got really sick.
    They are older and have some other health problems, though.

    I'm a week into my second dose and am keeping my distance for another week.

    I tried to keep mine for nearly two weeks but someone at work had a cow
    about something that doesn't matter so I had to go in a couple of days, and
    one of those days my cube neighbor also chose to be in. I think we did all right staying out of each others faces.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Tue May 11 09:17:00 2021
    Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Everything has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value.
    This has been going on for some time now.

    There, I fixed the typo. :)

    And you are probably closer to the truth than we think.

    Fido used to have a SKEPTIC echo, and there was a Fido board called "The Skeptic's Tank" nearby. It was a great place to apply critical thinking to
    the knee-jerk emotional appeals that pass for news in some places these
    days.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 12 10:13:57 2021
    Re: Re: benefits outweigh the
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Tue May 11 2021 09:17 am

    Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Everything has been politicized and cannot be accepted at face value. This has been going on for some time now.

    There, I fixed the typo. :)

    And you are probably closer to the truth than we think.

    Fido used to have a SKEPTIC echo, and there was a Fido board called "The Skeptic's Tank" nearby. It w
    a great place to apply critical thinking to
    the knee-jerk emotional appeals that pass for news in some places these days.


    ... Observe the procedures of a general alert.

    I used to listen to certain Skeptic podcast. The problem with Skepticism is that it has turned into a
    movement with conferences and leaders and nowadays it is political itself. It has become a movement that
    claims to take nothing for granted until proven with evidence in which the conclussions they want to be
    true need less evidence than everything else.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Thu May 13 08:32:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I used to listen to certain Skeptic podcast. The problem with
    Skepticism is that it has turned into a movement with conferences and leaders and nowadays it is political itself. It has become a movement
    that claims to take nothing for granted until proven with evidence in which the conclussions they want to be true need less evidence than everything else.

    That usually means it's been infected by the Left.

    Remember that the Left ruins everything it touches.


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  • From Michael Mrak@VERT/SILCHAT to Ogg on Sun May 16 14:12:08 2021
    Re: benefits outweigh the risks
    By: Ogg to All on Tue May 04 2021 23:19:00

    Their report through April 24, 2021 lists 8,430 deaths and
    354,177 injuries following injections of four experimental
    COVID-19 shots:

    Is this a parody forum here? :-)

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