• QWK based Echoareas

    From Michael Mrak@VERT/SILCHAT to All on Tue Apr 13 14:42:36 2021
    Beside configuring my fidonet node 2:31/124 (should be reachable via Netmail in the next days as the nodelist should be updated soon for zone 2) i am wondering if there are any other QWK based echoareas like DOVE-Net?

    Do you know any other QWK based echogroups?

    kind regards
    Michael

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  • From acn@VERT/IMZADI to Michael Mrak on Tue Apr 13 20:07:15 2021
    Hallo Michael,

    Do you know any other QWK based echogroups?

    There is WeedNet, for example. It is a new network for fans of Cannabis :)
    It is available via QWK networking and as a FidoNet-style Othernet.
    Infos can be obtaines here: https://weednet.baybuds.online

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/EPHRAM to Michael Mrak on Tue Apr 13 17:25:09 2021
    Beside configuring my fidonet node 2:31/124 (should be reachable via Netmail in the next days as the nodelist should be updated soon for zone 2) i am wondering if there are any other QWK based echoareas like DOVE-Net?

    Do you know any other QWK based echogroups?

    kind regards
    Michael

    sciNet, fsxNet, and others are also QWK capable. More info here https://filedn.com/lq3xdfCTH7jB2vO0NeTEc77/index.html

    ~mortifis

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Michael Mrak on Tue Apr 13 18:03:00 2021
    On 13 Apr 2021, Michael Mrak said the following...

    2) i am wondering if there are any other QWK based echoareas like DOVE-Net?

    there is "weednet" .. which obviously isn't for everone but :)

    will have to google it though.. i saw the ad for it a while back and i don't remember where.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Michael Mrak on Tue Apr 13 14:56:30 2021
    Re: QWK based Echoareas
    By: Michael Mrak to All on Tue Apr 13 2021 07:42 am

    2) i am wondering if there are any other QWK based echoareas like DOVE-Net?

    There is Retronet, Gamenet, FSXnet, Scinet, and some others but these are the nets I carry on my board. Try and get there infopacks for instructions on setup and Hubs.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Michael Mrak on Tue Apr 13 16:23:24 2021
    Re: QWK based Echoareas
    By: Michael Mrak to All on Tue Apr 13 2021 07:42:36

    MusicalNet is QWK based.
    And SFNet has a QWK side.
    I'm sure there are many more out there.
    -+-

    Lupine Furmen
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    SSH: furmenservices.net:23222
    Before the Web - telnet: furmenservices.net:23232
    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322
    Sound Source ]|[ - telnet: furmenservices.net:2323



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  • From Michael Mrak@VERT/SILCHAT to Mortifis on Wed Apr 14 00:23:03 2021
    Re: Re: QWK based Echoareas
    By: Mortifis to Michael Mrak on Tue Apr 13 2021 10:25:09

    Great, thanks for the info!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mortifis on Thu Apr 15 02:23:00 2021
    On 04-13-21 10:25, Mortifis wrote to Michael Mrak <=-

    sciNet, fsxNet, and others are also QWK capable. More info here https://filedn.com/lq3xdfCTH7jB2vO0NeTEc77/index.html

    There's actually quite a number of networks available via QWK. I gate RetroNet, and also provide QWK and FTN feeds for my own net, VKRadio. DeveloperNet and MusicalNet both originate on QWK (I gate them to FTN myself for FTN users). Just to name a few. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to HusTler on Thu Apr 15 02:30:00 2021
    On 04-13-21 07:56, HusTler wrote to Michael Mrak <=-

    There is Retronet, Gamenet, FSXnet, Scinet, and some others but these
    are the nets I carry on my board. Try and get there infopacks for instructions on setup and Hubs.

    VKRadio is now self service on QWK. All you need to do is create a QWKnet account, then setup the QWK areas. The majority of nodes are on FTN, but I do have a handful of QWK nodes taking part.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Lupine Furmen on Thu Apr 15 02:31:00 2021
    On 04-13-21 09:23, Lupine Furmen wrote to Michael Mrak <=-

    @VIA: VERT/FURFOL
    Re: QWK based Echoareas
    By: Michael Mrak to All on Tue Apr 13 2021 07:42:36

    MusicalNet is QWK based.

    And DeveloperNet (from the same source).


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 14 19:41:00 2021
    Tony,

    DeveloperNet and MusicalNet both originate on QWK (I gate them to FTN myself for FTN users). Just to name a few. :)

    What is that MusicalNet about?? I know you're not the "sponsor" of it,
    but I'm curious as to what it entails.

    As a side note, as you know, we can't do music on ham radio, unless it's music to awaken the space shuttle astronauts. As I heard another ham radio operator note "Singing 'Happy Birthday' is still music, no matter how badly
    you sing'".

    I guess that applies if one sings Tenor Solo -- ten or eleven miles away, and so low that no one can hear it...or one is "barely-a-tone" instead of baritone. <G>

    Ironically, the mode of JT-65 sounds like a flute...and years ago, I
    worked a station over 1000 miles away on an indoor hamstick 20 meter
    antenna, with only 15 watts of power!! You basically get just the needed
    info to make the contact, and not much else.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Sat Apr 17 02:37:00 2021
    On 04-14-21 12:41, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
    Tony,

    DeveloperNet and MusicalNet both originate on QWK (I gate them to FTN myself for FTN users). Just to name a few. :)

    What is that MusicalNet about?? I know you're not the "sponsor" of
    it, but I'm curious as to what it entails.

    Anything to do with music - making it, instruments, mixing, listening, computers and music.

    As a side note, as you know, we can't do music on ham radio, unless
    it's music to awaken the space shuttle astronauts. As I heard another
    ham radio operator note "Singing 'Happy Birthday' is still music, no matter how badly you sing'".

    We're allowed "incidental music", which would cover that.

    I guess that applies if one sings Tenor Solo -- ten or eleven miles away, and so low that no one can hear it...or one is "barely-a-tone" instead of baritone. <G>

    :D

    Ironically, the mode of JT-65 sounds like a flute...and years ago, I worked a station over 1000 miles away on an indoor hamstick 20 meter antenna, with only 15 watts of power!! You basically get just the
    needed info to make the contact, and not much else.

    Yeah, a lot of the lower digital modes have musical sounds to them.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 17 06:52:00 2021
    Tony,

    What is that MusicalNet about?? I know you're not the "sponsor" of
    it, but I'm curious as to what it entails.

    Anything to do with music - making it, instruments, mixing, listening, computers and music.

    Interesting. I'd have to search for an info pack.

    We're allowed "incidental music", which would cover that.

    That's not what it said in a publication by the ARRL on "The FCC Rule
    Book". I need to download a fresh copy of Part 97 for the BBS...but the
    way they keep changing things, I may wait until May 3, when the new RF
    exposure rules take effect. Then, I'll have to change it again when the
    FCC adds the $35 fee for a new, upgraded, or renewed license, or a
    callsign change.

    Yeah, a lot of the lower digital modes have musical sounds to them.

    At least it doesn't sound like flatulence. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Thu Apr 22 03:23:00 2021
    On 04-16-21 23:52, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
    Tony,

    What is that MusicalNet about?? I know you're not the "sponsor" of
    it, but I'm curious as to what it entails.

    Anything to do with music - making it, instruments, mixing, listening, computers and music.

    Interesting. I'd have to search for an info pack.

    I should have one in my file areas. You can browse by anonymous FTP or guest login on the web.

    We're allowed "incidental music", which would cover that.

    That's not what it said in a publication by the ARRL on "The FCC Rule Book". I need to download a fresh copy of Part 97 for the BBS...but the way they keep changing things, I may wait until May 3, when the new RF exposure rules take effect. Then, I'll have to change it again when the FCC adds the $35 fee for a new, upgraded, or renewed license, or a callsign change.

    You've committed the cardinal sin of Americans - where am I again? ;P "we" relative to me is...? ;)

    Yeah, a lot of the lower digital modes have musical sounds to them.

    At least it doesn't sound like flatulence. :P

    LOL


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Sun May 2 03:37:00 2021
    Tony,

    I should have one in my file areas. You can browse by anonymous FTP or guest login on the web.

    I got in touch with Nightfox, and I'm set up on it.

    We're allowed "incidental music", which would cover that.

    You've committed the cardinal sin of Americans - where am I again? ;P
    "we" relative to me is...? ;)

    Three things fail when we get older. The first is memory .................

    At least it doesn't sound like flatulence. :P

    LOL

    There was a rumor of a study for the effects of second hand flatulence,
    but they couldn't get any volunteers. <G>

    ... I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control!

    My CTRL key fell out of my keyboard, so I've lost control. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Tue May 4 02:35:00 2021
    On 05-01-21 20:37, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I should have one in my file areas. You can browse by anonymous FTP or guest login on the web.

    I got in touch with Nightfox, and I'm set up on it.

    Cool. :)

    Three things fail when we get older. The first is memory .................

    ;)

    My CTRL key fell out of my keyboard, so I've lost control. :P

    Oh dear. :)

    Daryl

    ... If your head's in the sand, your butt's a prime target!!

    So true! :D\


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Tue May 4 20:14:00 2021
    Tony,

    I got in touch with Nightfox, and I'm set up on it.

    Cool. :)

    Now, to get the BBS into the cloud, so I don't have to take it down
    for thunderstorms anymore. We had severe weather in the region, and
    there was a threat of near hurricane force winds here overnight (when
    most of our severe weather occurs). There's still a chance of storms
    today, so I'm doing very limited work...I don't want to get started
    on a "big move", and have to abort it.

    Three things fail when we get older. The first is memory .................

    ;)

    I was going to attend the amnesia conference, but I forgot about it. <G>

    My CTRL key fell out of my keyboard, so I've lost control. :P

    Oh dear. :)

    It reminds me of a deal in a church choir years ago. Two couples had
    the wives working at a grocery store chain, and the husbands worked for
    the city fire department. Their married name was "Cross".

    Well, some joker quipped "If the men caught on fire, they'd be a couple
    of burning crosses!!". <G> It brought the house down in laughter...the
    choir director lamented "Looks like I lost control at 8:30". <G>

    Another instance had him wanting to rehearse the Sunday morning special
    music one last time before rehearsal was over. He got everyone quiet, and
    was ready to signal the downbeat of the music to start...and this small portable wind-up alarm clock, hidden in the upright spinet piano, went
    off. The culprit who put it there (to go off at 8:30pm) was the preacher's daughter-in-law!! <G>

    ... If your head's in the sand, your butt's a prime target!!

    So true! :D\

    Of course, I've heard they fold the bodies of the gypsies over
    so only their butt cracks show up above ground...so folks have a
    place to park their bicycles. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Daryl Stout on Wed May 5 04:00:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Now, to get the BBS into the cloud, so I don't have to take it
    down for thunderstorms anymore. We had severe weather in the
    region, and there was a threat of near hurricane force winds here overnight (when most of our severe weather occurs). There's still
    a chance of storms today, so I'm doing very limited work...I
    don't want to get started on a "big move", and have to abort it.

    I think you worry too much about storms. I live in Florida and trust
    me, we get our share of thunder, lightning, etc. Doesn't mean I take my
    board down because the wind is gusting a little.

    Put your stuff on a UPS and stop worrying so much. Sheesh.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Thu May 6 02:58:00 2021
    On 05-04-21 13:14, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
    Tony,

    I got in touch with Nightfox, and I'm set up on it.

    Cool. :)

    Now, to get the BBS into the cloud, so I don't have to take it down
    for thunderstorms anymore. We had severe weather in the region, and
    there was a threat of near hurricane force winds here overnight (when
    most of our severe weather occurs). There's still a chance of storms today, so I'm doing very limited work...I don't want to get started
    on a "big move", and have to abort it.

    Yep, the cloud should make a huge difference, especially with your area's susceptibility to severe weather.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Thu May 6 03:15:00 2021
    On 05-04-21 21:00, Gamgee wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    Put your stuff on a UPS and stop worrying so much. Sheesh.

    That has its own risks during thunderstorms. A friend had his UPS spiked during a storm, and the charging circuit created a short across the battery, which then caused thermal and chemical issues. He was lucky to prevent disaster.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Thu May 6 00:29:00 2021
    Tony,

    Yep, the cloud should make a huge difference, especially with your
    area's susceptibility to severe weather.

    In the last week, large tornadoes raked areas near Atlanta, and in the Carolinas...and the Birmingham, Alabama area, had significant flooding.

    ... I stayed in a really old hotel last night. They sent me a wake-up letter.

    I doubt they left the light on for you. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Thu May 6 00:37:00 2021
    Tony,

    Put your stuff on a UPS and stop worrying so much. Sheesh.

    That has its own risks during thunderstorms. A friend had his UPS
    spiked during a storm, and the charging circuit created a short across
    the battery, which then caused thermal and chemical issues. He was
    lucky to prevent disaster.

    I would say so...wow!!

    I think of the blooper where the fire chief noted "Something hot came
    into contact with something flammable, and that was the cause of the fire
    in the church kitchen". What was your first clue?? <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Gamgee on Thu May 6 00:51:00 2021
    Put your stuff on a UPS and stop worrying so much. Sheesh.

    If you take a direct or close hit, you might as well as not have a UPS or surge protection device (noted later in the message). It only takes one lightning strike, or even one tornado to do damage.

    The reason I'm so cautious is that I'm a 2 time lightning strike survivor, with resulting nervous system damage. While not a meterologist, I am an amateur weather enthusiast, and know enough to be dangerous (never mind I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night <G>).

    I've also been under 2 tornadic funnel clouds, within a mile of an F-1
    and an F-4 rain wrapped tornado, and nearly drowned in a flash flood. So,
    this is WHY I get very nervous when there are thunderstorms. I don't mind
    the garden variety "thundershowers" (there is still thunder, lightning,
    and rain, but no severe weather).

    Yet, when you start taking about the potential of winds from 60 to over
    100 mph, hailstones from the size of a quarter to bigger than softballs,
    to tornadoes that can be as much as 2-3 miles wide, and on the ground for hundreds of miles, and moving as fast as 90 mph in some cases (those
    downstream have little time to react and prepare)...you have to get
    concerned, and take precautions. Not doing so could be at the peril of
    your life.

    In the last week, large tornadoes affected areas near Atlanta, Georgia,
    and Abbieville, South Carolina. And, much of the Birmingham, Alabama area suffered significant flooding rain and resulting damage. Tornadoes have occurred in all 50 states.

    As for thunderstorms, I *DO* know that each lightning bolt:

    1) Can strike from 20 to 200 miles from the parent thunderstorm (the latter
    was documented in Okahoma recently). People are hurt and killed from these "bolts from the blue" (when the sky overhead is clear). One kid, walking
    down railroad tracks, was killed from a distant lightning strike, that
    traveled down the rail to where he was.

    2) Is 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit (5 times hotter than the sun's surface).

    3) Can be as wide as your thumb, but 5 miles long.

    4) Has 3 million volts and 300,000 amps of electricity.

    5) Gives little warning of where it will strike next. By the time you feel
    the static charge, you're likely to be struck, and possibly fatally injured. While those struck carry no electrical charge, and can be handled safely,
    the strike can stop their heart, killing them.

    6) Occurs whether the thunderstorm is classified as "severe" or not. For
    the record, a thunderstorm is classed as "severe" if it has winds of 50
    knots (58 mph) or more...hail 1 inch in diameter (the size of a quarter
    (25 cent piece)), or a tornado.

    A few years ago, a fellow ham radio operator had spared no expense for lightning protection...you name it, he bought it, and installed...price
    was no object (it must be nice to have all that money).

    Well, he took a direct or very close hit, and this was the result:

    1) His ham radio tower, mast, antenna, and coaxial cable were VAPORIZED...
    NOT a trace of any of them were left.

    2) The inside of his computer towers and UPS units were as black as coal,
    with all the electronic circuit boards melted and fused together.

    3) His monitors melted.

    4) He had scorch marks down the walls of his house, and had to have his
    entire structure rewired electrically. He's lucky the entire structure
    didn't catch fire, and burn to the ground...as that could've also
    happened.

    I am working on getting the BBS into the cloud, where I won't have to
    worry about it. With Arkansas being in the eastern part of Tornado Alley
    and the western part of Dixie Alley, we get severe weather both barrels.

    In one severe weather event a few years ago, in Pulaski County (the
    Little Rock Metro Area), lightning was so prolific, that there were 10 lightning strikes per second, for a whole hour...and the thunder was
    basically nonstop. A major power substation in Little Rock was hit,
    putting much of the city in the dark for several hours.

    Plus, most of Arkansas' severe weather occurs during the evening and overnight hours...when most people are asleep or not expecting it. If lightning strikes your residence, it could set it afire, and burn it
    to the ground.

    There's a myth that storms destroy the liquor stores first, and the
    churches last. Yet, I've known churches destroyed by both lightning and tornadoes...more than the liquor stores...unless the lightning is so
    intense, and the tornado is so wide that nothing is spared in either
    case. Some areas have been hit by multiple tornadoes just hours apart.

    Now, if you want to tempt fate with your system...with or without surge protection...let alone preparations for severe weather...be my guest. I'm
    not the only Sysop who "pulls the plug" with a threat of lightning.

    And, those like myself who are lightning strike survivors, who live to
    tell about it, wouldn't wish the resulting physical effects on anyone.

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Thu May 6 05:37:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Put your stuff on a UPS and stop worrying so much. Sheesh.

    That has its own risks during thunderstorms. A friend had his
    UPS spiked during a storm, and the charging circuit created a
    short across the battery, which then caused thermal and chemical
    issues. He was lucky to prevent disaster.

    Yes, sure, those kind of things can happen. My point was that it's
    probably better to have your system(s) on a UPS to protect them from intermittent power losses due to storms, not necessarily to protect them absolutely from a direct lightning hit.

    My bigger point was that for me at least, I'm not going to be a slave to
    the weather and take down my BBS just because there might be a
    thunderstorm that day. I think that is an over-reaction. I mean, am I
    also going to unplug all my TVs and other devices every time? And what
    if I'm not home when the storm moves in? I don't worry too much about
    stuff like that, is all.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Daryl Stout on Thu May 6 05:43:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Put your stuff on a UPS and stop worrying so much. Sheesh.

    If you take a direct or close hit, you might as well as not
    have a UPS or surge protection device (noted later in the
    message). It only takes one lightning strike, or even one tornado
    to do damage.

    Yep, that's all true. But the UPS protects against power outages that
    may result from a thunderstorm.

    The reason I'm so cautious is that I'm a 2 time lightning
    strike survivor, with resulting nervous system damage. While not
    a meterologist, I am an amateur weather enthusiast, and know
    enough to be dangerous (never mind I stayed at a Holiday Inn
    Express last night <G>).

    Okay, but that doesn't have much to do with taking down your BBS because
    there might be a thunderstorm coming through sometime today.

    I've also been under 2 tornadic funnel clouds, within a mile of
    an F-1 and an F-4 rain wrapped tornado, and nearly drowned in a
    flash flood. So, this is WHY I get very nervous when there are thunderstorms. I don't mind the garden variety "thundershowers"
    (there is still thunder, lightning, and rain, but no severe
    weather).

    Again, fairly irrelevant to taking down a BBS as a "precaution".

    Yet, when you start taking about the potential of winds from 60
    to over 100 mph, hailstones from the size of a quarter to bigger
    than softballs, to tornadoes that can be as much as 2-3 miles
    wide, and on the ground for hundreds of miles, and moving as fast
    as 90 mph in some cases (those downstream have little time to
    react and prepare)...you have to get concerned, and take
    precautions. Not doing so could be at the peril of your life.

    Again, not relevant to BBS operation.

    In the last week, large tornadoes affected areas near Atlanta,
    Georgia, and Abbieville, South Carolina. And, much of the
    Birmingham, Alabama area suffered significant flooding rain and
    resulting damage. Tornadoes have occurred in all 50 states.

    Again, not relevant to BBS operation.

    As for thunderstorms, I *DO* know that each lightning bolt:

    1) Can strike from 20 to 200 miles from the parent thunderstorm
    (the latter was documented in Okahoma recently). People are hurt
    and killed from these "bolts from the blue" (when the sky
    overhead is clear). One kid, walking down railroad tracks, was
    killed from a distant lightning strike, that traveled down the
    rail to where he was.

    2) Is 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit (5 times hotter than the sun's
    surface).

    3) Can be as wide as your thumb, but 5 miles long.

    4) Has 3 million volts and 300,000 amps of electricity.

    5) Gives little warning of where it will strike next. By the time
    you feel the static charge, you're likely to be struck, and
    possibly fatally injured. While those struck carry no electrical
    charge, and can be handled safely, the strike can stop their
    heart, killing them.

    6) Occurs whether the thunderstorm is classified as "severe" or
    not. For the record, a thunderstorm is classed as "severe" if it
    has winds of 50 knots (58 mph) or more...hail 1 inch in diameter
    (the size of a quarter (25 cent piece)), or a tornado.

    A few years ago, a fellow ham radio operator had spared no
    expense for lightning protection...you name it, he bought it, and installed...price was no object (it must be nice to have all that
    money).

    Well, he took a direct or very close hit, and this was the
    result:

    1) His ham radio tower, mast, antenna, and coaxial cable were
    VAPORIZED... NOT a trace of any of them were left.

    2) The inside of his computer towers and UPS units were as black
    as coal, with all the electronic circuit boards melted and fused
    together.

    3) His monitors melted.

    4) He had scorch marks down the walls of his house, and had to
    have his entire structure rewired electrically. He's lucky the
    entire structure didn't catch fire, and burn to the ground...as
    that could've also happened.

    Interesting science and anecdotal stories, but... again...

    I am working on getting the BBS into the cloud, where I won't
    have to worry about it. With Arkansas being in the eastern part
    of Tornado Alley and the western part of Dixie Alley, we get
    severe weather both barrels.

    In one severe weather event a few years ago, in Pulaski County
    (the Little Rock Metro Area), lightning was so prolific, that
    there were 10 lightning strikes per second, for a whole
    hour...and the thunder was basically nonstop. A major power
    substation in Little Rock was hit, putting much of the city in
    the dark for several hours.

    Plus, most of Arkansas' severe weather occurs during the
    evening and overnight hours...when most people are asleep or not
    expecting it. If lightning strikes your residence, it could set
    it afire, and burn it to the ground.

    There's a myth that storms destroy the liquor stores first, and
    the churches last. Yet, I've known churches destroyed by both
    lightning and tornadoes...more than the liquor stores...unless
    the lightning is so intense, and the tornado is so wide that
    nothing is spared in either case. Some areas have been hit by
    multiple tornadoes just hours apart.

    Now, if you want to tempt fate with your system...with or
    without surge protection...let alone preparations for severe
    weather...be my guest. I'm not the only Sysop who "pulls the
    plug" with a threat of lightning.

    Again....... see above..... <sigh>

    And, those like myself who are lightning strike survivors, who
    live to tell about it, wouldn't wish the resulting physical
    effects on anyone.

    Understood, but not related to BBS operation.

    I'm thinking you pretty much missed my point. Hope you get things moved
    to the cloud, for your sake.


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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 6 06:08:00 2021
    Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    If you take a direct or close hit, you might as well as not have a
    UPS or surge protection device (noted later in the message). It only
    takes one lightning strike, or even one tornado to do damage.

    A former (explained why) friend and fellow ham was helping one night with the local police at a site where there were downed powerlines from a storm. He had to have been 100 feet away from one of the open cables. Now granted this isn't lightning but man-made juice. It arched and sent a bolt directly through him killing him on the spot. We tend to forget that we need not be right next to
    or touching electricity for it to cause harm.

    The reason I'm so cautious is that I'm a 2 time lightning strike survivor, with resulting nervous system damage. While not a
    meterologist, I am an amateur weather enthusiast, and know enough to be dangerous (never mind I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
    <G>).

    Wow, count one's blessings eh? :-)

    Now, if you want to tempt fate with your system...with or without
    surge protection...let alone preparations for severe weather...be my guest. I'm not the only Sysop who "pulls the plug" with a threat of lightning.

    We get it year round here... high winds, frequent tornados now, heavy snow
    and ice, soaking rains that would flood most areas but soak the ground so
    that the 70mph winds easily pull trees out of the ground and into wires.

    As the ARRL CT Section Digital Packet BBS I have everything on UPS and during the actual storm itself I unplug coax from the back of the radios. I have too much invested in RF for emergency communications not to do what I can to physically protect it myself. This system I could push up to a "cloud" server but the packet system I can not... so I run it all on one box sharing IPs
    and making different hostnames for the various servers.

    And, those like myself who are lightning strike survivors, who live
    to tell about it, wouldn't wish the resulting physical effects on
    anyone.

    I bet!.. however if you're looking for an excuse to play lotto I think you
    have one <G>

    73 de N1URO

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Gamgee on Thu May 6 12:08:00 2021
    Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    [snip]

    My bigger point was that for me at least, I'm not going to be a slave
    to the weather and take down my BBS just because there might be a thunderstorm that day. I think that is an over-reaction. I mean, am I also going to unplug all my TVs and other devices every time? And what
    if I'm not home when the storm moves in? I don't worry too much about stuff like that, is all.

    I don't necessarily think it's a matter of over reacting per say. As for a
    BBS in this situation, I don't think if a tornado or hurricane is coming,
    and you may have been ordered to evacuate... that a sysop is going to leave
    a BBS running because there will be that one jabronie out there who'll think
    to themself: "hey, no one is around to login and play my doors so I think I'll log into the bbs and play when I know that no one else is going to bother me while I do my thing.". A severe storm like that I'd want to unplug as much
    as possible so my place isn't a magnet to draw a bolt of lightning towards
    my house. As a ham operator the antennas are enough of a risk which is why
    my mast is 9' into the ground.

    A "chance" for a storm... no I'll let things go as they are. When there's flashing bolts in the distance I'll prepare to unplug coax from radios and watch the situation carefully. If it intensifies then I do what I feel is
    best.

    We have to remember this:
    no matter what we use for protection whether it be a fuse, or circuit
    breaker - the surge has to completely pass through said device in order
    for it to trip/break first which means at least a part of such surge
    is going to actually make it to the device(s) you're trying to protect.
    While it may not be in it's full force, it still may be enough to damage
    what it is you're trying to protect.

    Cheers & 73
    -Brian N1URO



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 6 18:24:00 2021
    Brian,

    A former (explained why) friend and fellow ham was helping one night
    with the local police at a site where there were downed powerlines from
    a storm. He had to have been 100 feet away from one of the open cables. Now granted this isn't lightning but man-made juice. It arched and sent
    a bolt directly through him killing him on the spot. We tend to forget that we need not be right next to or touching electricity for it to
    cause harm.

    Just like the instance where the boy was walking down the railroad tracks
    (he was actually trespassing, as the railroad right of way is private property). Lightning from a distant thunderstorm struck the rail, and the current traveled down it. When it got to the boy, he was killed instantly.

    There was another instance on Lake Bistineau near Shreveport, on May 25, 1987. It was on a Sunday, but it could've been any day of the week. Four
    guys were out on a lake in a fishing boat, and a thunderstorm moved into
    the area. One of the guys stood up, shook his fist toward Heaven, and
    demanded to be struck by lightning. He was obliged, and killed instantly.
    Now, with the spreading out of the surge, the other 3 should've also been killed, but they were totally unharmed. That's an example of Divine
    Judgment and Divine Protection in one whack. Can you say "Thou Shalt Not
    Tempt The Lord Thy God"??!!

    Wow, count one's blessings eh? :-)

    Especially since "I'm still on this side of the grass". Many folks who
    have been struck don't survive.

    We get it year round here... high winds, frequent tornados now, heavy
    snow and ice, soaking rains that would flood most areas but soak the ground so that the 70mph winds easily pull trees out of the ground and into wires.

    That's another issue around here. Then in the fall, we get the remnants
    from hurricanes...and while we don't get the peak intensity of the storms,
    as they do along the coast, we get strong winds, flooding rains, as well
    as tornadoes...and some of these have been prolific tornado producers.

    We've had tornadoes in the dead of winter (Jan. 21, 1999, saw 56
    tornadoes, most in 6 hours), and back to back ice storms in 2000 put
    much of north Arkansas in the dark (no power) for almost 2 months.
    There were also tornadoes on Dec. 2 and Christmas Eve of 1982...a
    122 mile long F-4 tornado on Feb. 5, 2008 (Super Tuesday), and the
    F-4 I-30 tornado that went from Arkadelphia to Little Rock, keeping
    just south of Interstate 30...it barely missed the Little Rock
    National Airport.

    As the ARRL CT Section Digital Packet BBS I have everything on UPS and during the actual storm itself I unplug coax from the back of the
    radios. I have too much invested in RF for emergency communications not
    to do what I can to physically protect it myself. This system I could
    push up to a "cloud" server but the packet system I can not... so I run
    it all on one box sharing IPs and making different hostnames for the various servers.

    You are wise. :) As a side note, I'm on packet on the NS2B BBS in Penfield, New York. It offers RF and Telnet Access every Monday at 8pm Eastern Time. I alternate Net Control with NS2B, and that's my home packet BBS, since I don't have RF gear here. If you go to my Bio on QRZ, click on the hyperlink for a list of spreadsheets of 200 D-Star, D-Rats, and Echolink Nets, and PDF files related to ham radio. One of them tells about the NS2B BBS, and The PCL Net. That net originally started on a BBS in Branson, Missouri...but that BBS is long since QRT, since it's Sysop and his wife are Silent Keys (I did get the chance to meet them a few years before their deaths). Another file tells
    about "The E.D. Net", and that may also be in the "Ham Radio Humor" file.

    I bet!.. however if you're looking for an excuse to play lotto I think
    you have one <G>

    I can barely beat the casino games on the BBS, and lost more than I won
    with the lotto...although I prefer the scratch off tickets. The best I
    ever did in a casino, was one year, when I flew Southwest Airlines from
    Little Rock to Saint Louis, to use some expiring flight miles. I took the Metrolink light rail system to East St. Louis, Illinois...and walked down
    to one of the permanently moored casino riverboats there. I spent $1 in
    the casino, but hit the jackpot on an all you can eat breakfast buffet
    for $4!! H.A.M. stands for H)ave A)nother M)eal, and you don't call us
    "late for dinner" (hi hi). I keep thinking they're going to replace the courtesy tones on the repeaters on Thanksgiving with a belch <LOL!>.

    ... The number you have dailed...Nine-one-one...has been changed.

    If you have a Tex-Mex Emergency, you dial Nine Juan Juan. <G>

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Gamgee on Thu May 6 18:35:00 2021
    Yep, that's all true. But the UPS protects against power outages that
    may result from a thunderstorm.

    While the UPS's can keep power here if there's a quick brownout, what
    happens is that the high speed internet usually drops, as it's external,
    and it takes time for the router/modem to reset itself. Of course, if
    the connection between the internet provider and one's residence is
    skewed, the internet is out, and the system is down anyway until the
    internet data is restored.

    Also, the batteries in the UPS units do NOT last forever. When there were two back to back ice storms in north Arkansas years ago, much of the area
    had no power for nearly 2 months, unless they were one of the lucky few to have generators.

    Okay, but that doesn't have much to do with taking down your BBS
    because there might be a thunderstorm coming through sometime today.

    This is why I check weather data...if I have to be out on errands during
    the day, or when I sleep overnight...and there's a potential of storms,
    I'd rather be safe than sorry. You apparently have no concern for the
    weather and what it does. Thunderstorms don't just occur during "regular business hours". We've even had tornadoes in the dead of winter.

    Again, fairly irrelevant to taking down a BBS as a "precaution".

    Are you going to pay me the money for everything I'd lose in a direct
    hit, and for all the other damages?? Or would you do likewise for other
    Sysops who didn't take their BBS down, taking a hit, and losing all
    they had?? I seriously doubt it.

    Lightning gives very few secrets of its intentions...and as noted, a
    strike 200 miles from the parent thunderstorm in Oklahoma a few years
    ago, is enough potential to not take a chance. But, if you want to tempt
    fate, be my guest. When I one day, read the story of your system getting fried, I'll say "I told you so". I know other Sysops (and ham radio
    operators) who will shut their BBS down when there's a threat of storms.
    So, if you're calling me an idiot, you're doing the same to them.

    The National Weather Service says that "during thunderstorms, if possible, you should unplug all items not necessary to receiving severe weather information". The best thing to receiving severe weather information is a battery operated NOAA Weather Radio, with Specific Area Message Encoder
    (SAME) Warning Capabilities. And, the phone company says that "absolute protection from lightning is impossible".

    Again, not relevant to BBS operation.

    It is if it affects your residence. And sooner or later, YOU WILL BE AFFECTED...it's just a matter of time.

    Understood, but not related to BBS operation.

    I'm thinking you pretty much missed my point. Hope you get things
    moved to the cloud, for your sake.

    No, you missed mine. Maybe you need some of the bad weather that I
    have experienced to affect you. Until you've walked a mile in my shoes,
    you have no business chiding me for the way I run my system. If you have
    such little respect for the weather, let alone the way a fellow Sysop
    runs their system, then you will be in for a rude awakening one day.

    And, it does not bother me if you or anyone else would refuse to
    logon to my BBS, even if their life depended on it. I run the BBS for
    my enjoyment...and even if they still wouldn't telnet in after it gets
    into the cloud, I won't lose any sleep over it.

    The same thing applies to the ham radio traffic nets I run. I'm not
    holding a gun to anyone's head to checkin to the net. Just like my BBS,
    with the ham radio nets, they're not the only ones out there. So, if
    they don't want to checkin to my nets, or logon to the BBS, there are
    plenty of others for them that are more to their liking.

    Life is NOT "Fair" or "Burger King". Fair is a fall carnival, a
    weather term, and a call in baseball...and you can not always "Have
    It Your Way". If you don't like my responses, put me in your twit list;
    I'll be happy to do likewise.

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Daryl Stout on Fri May 7 03:12:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yep, that's all true. But the UPS protects against power outages that
    may result from a thunderstorm.

    While the UPS's can keep power here if there's a quick
    brownout, what happens is that the high speed internet usually
    drops, as it's external, and it takes time for the router/modem
    to reset itself. Of course, if the connection between the
    internet provider and one's residence is skewed, the internet is
    out, and the system is down anyway until the internet data is
    restored.

    That's why one puts the cable modem, the router, switches, BBS computer,
    and whatever else...... ON A UPS. That's how I've got things set up
    here. A momentary "blip" or a brownout does not affect anything.

    Also, the batteries in the UPS units do NOT last forever. When
    there were two back to back ice storms in north Arkansas years
    ago, much of the area had no power for nearly 2 months, unless
    they were one of the lucky few to have generators.

    Yes, I'm aware that batteries don't last forever (and didn't claim that
    they did). A two month power outage is a whole 'nother thing that what
    we're talking about here. Not sure why you would think one is "lucky"
    to own a generator... I own one, because I also live in rough-weather
    country (the Florida panhandle). I don't own it because I got "lucky",
    I own it because I *NEED* it to be ready for hurricanes here. Used it
    last fall for 10 days when I had no power. I would think that somebody
    in Arkansas, where there is also frequent unsettled weather, would also
    own a generator. There's no "luck" involved in that. Just common
    sense.

    Okay, but that doesn't have much to do with taking down your BBS
    because there might be a thunderstorm coming through sometime today.

    This is why I check weather data...if I have to be out on
    errands during the day, or when I sleep overnight...and there's a potential of storms, I'd rather be safe than sorry. You
    apparently have no concern for the weather and what it does.
    Thunderstorms don't just occur during "regular business hours".
    We've even had tornadoes in the dead of winter.

    I have plenty of concern for weather. Take a look at the hurricane data
    in this area for the last 20 years and tell me I don't know about
    weather problems. Hint: I do.

    Lightning gives very few secrets of its intentions...and as
    noted, a strike 200 miles from the parent thunderstorm in
    Oklahoma a few years ago, is enough potential to not take a
    chance. But, if you want to tempt fate, be my guest. When I one
    day, read the story of your system getting fried, I'll say "I
    told you so". I know other Sysops (and ham radio operators) who
    will shut their BBS down when there's a threat of storms. So, if
    you're calling me an idiot, you're doing the same to them.

    If my system gets fried, I'll restore it and be back online in short
    order (as in a couple of hours, maybe). Not sure how you figure that
    I'm calling you an idiot, because I didn't do that. I just mentioned
    that perhaps you're over-reacting to a thunderstorm. For the record,
    there's a rather large difference between a thunderstorm and a
    hurricane...

    I'm thinking you pretty much missed my point. Hope you get things
    moved to the cloud, for your sake.

    No, you missed mine. Maybe you need some of the bad weather
    that I have experienced to affect you. Until you've walked a mile
    in my shoes, you have no business chiding me for the way I run my
    system.

    I wasn't chiding you. Not sure why you appear to be so sensitive, but whatever. I have experienced bad weather... how many hurricanes have
    you been through?

    If you have such little respect for the weather, let
    alone the way a fellow Sysop runs their system, then you will be
    in for a rude awakening one day.

    Again not sure why you're so sensitive about this. As for a rude
    awakening, I have nightly automated backups of my system, and restoring
    it would be trivial. Literally a couple of hours, maximum, and probably
    less than that.

    And, it does not bother me if you or anyone else would refuse
    to logon to my BBS, even if their life depended on it. I run the
    BBS for my enjoyment...and even if they still wouldn't telnet in
    after it gets into the cloud, I won't lose any sleep over it.

    Right out of left field.... not sure how this is relevant to the
    conversation. Oh, it isn't.

    Life is NOT "Fair" or "Burger King". Fair is a fall carnival, a
    weather term, and a call in baseball...and you can not always
    "Have It Your Way". If you don't like my responses, put me in
    your twit list; I'll be happy to do likewise.

    Thanks for the life lessons lecture. I'm likely the same age as you,
    and don't need that, thanks though. I certainly am not about to put you
    into any twit list, not sure why think that I would. I find a lot of
    the things you say (and assume) hard to figure, to be honest. But
    anyway, I'll say again that I hope you can get migrated to the cloud,
    and not have to worry about some things any more. Good luck.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Brian Rogers on Fri May 7 03:20:00 2021
    Brian Rogers wrote to Gamgee <=-

    My bigger point was that for me at least, I'm not going to be a slave
    to the weather and take down my BBS just because there might be a thunderstorm that day. I think that is an over-reaction. I mean, am I also going to unplug all my TVs and other devices every time? And what
    if I'm not home when the storm moves in? I don't worry too much about stuff like that, is all.

    I don't necessarily think it's a matter of over reacting per say.
    As for a BBS in this situation, I don't think if a tornado or
    hurricane is coming, and you may have been ordered to evacuate...
    that a sysop is going to leave a BBS running because there will
    be that one jabronie out there who'll think to themself: "hey, no
    one is around to login and play my doors so I think I'll log into
    the bbs and play when I know that no one else is going to bother
    me while I do my thing.".

    Wow. You had to dig deep to pull that one out, eh? Who said anything
    about a hurricane approaching, or being ordered to evacuate? That's
    right.... nobody did. That's a whole different thing than what was
    being discussed, which was "the chance of a thunderstorm coming
    through". Please turn down the drama a notch, wouldja?

    A severe storm like that I'd want to
    unplug as much as possible so my place isn't a magnet to draw a
    bolt of lightning towards my house.

    I got news for ya. The amount of items plugged in does not, in any way, affect the chance of a lightning strike hitting your house. There's no "magnet" in the sense that you are using it. Completely irrelevant.

    As a ham operator the antennas are enough of a risk which is why
    my mast is 9' into the ground.

    Does the depth of the antenna below ground affect the chances of it
    being hit by lightning? I wouldn't think that it would.

    A "chance" for a storm... no I'll let things go as they are. When
    there's flashing bolts in the distance I'll prepare to unplug
    coax from radios and watch the situation carefully. If it
    intensifies then I do what I feel is best.

    The "chance" for a storm coming through is *EXACTLY* what was being
    discussed by myself and Daryl. Yep. Thus my point(s).

    We have to remember this:
    no matter what we use for protection whether it be a fuse, or
    circuit breaker - the surge has to completely pass through said
    device in order for it to trip/break first which means at least a
    part of such surge is going to actually make it to the device(s)
    you're trying to protect. While it may not be in it's full force,
    it still may be enough to damage what it is you're trying to
    protect.

    I promise you that you're not telling me anything I don't already know,
    even if your information is not entirely accurate.



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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Fri May 7 01:42:00 2021
    Hey Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Just like the instance where the boy was walking down the railroad tracks (he was actually trespassing, as the railroad right of way is private property). Lightning from a distant thunderstorm struck the
    rail, and the current traveled down it. When it got to the boy, he was killed instantly.

    I've heard of this before, tragic!

    There was another instance on Lake Bistineau near Shreveport, on May
    25, 1987. It was on a Sunday, but it could've been any day of the week. Four guys were out on a lake in a fishing boat, and a thunderstorm
    moved into the area. One of the guys stood up, shook his fist toward Heaven, and demanded to be struck by lightning. He was obliged, and
    killed instantly. Now, with the spreading out of the surge, the other 3 should've also been killed, but they were totally unharmed. That's an example of Divine Judgment and Divine Protection in one whack. Can you
    say "Thou Shalt Not Tempt The Lord Thy God"??!!

    One just never knows where the path of electricity in such an open field
    will flow. It's almost parallel to water on an open field of grass - one
    never knows where puddles may form.

    Especially since "I'm still on this side of the grass". Many folks
    who have been struck don't survive.

    Very true! Speaking of which I just finished cutting mine - except for a
    small section where a baby bunny is trying to hide in the tall grass. Even though there's a good chance it'lll eat the flowers we'll be planting in
    a few weeks, it's still a life.

    We've had tornadoes in the dead of winter (Jan. 21, 1999, saw 56 tornadoes, most in 6 hours), and back to back ice storms in 2000 put
    much of north Arkansas in the dark (no power) for almost 2 months.
    There were also tornadoes on Dec. 2 and Christmas Eve of 1982...a
    122 mile long F-4 tornado on Feb. 5, 2008 (Super Tuesday), and the
    F-4 I-30 tornado that went from Arkadelphia to Little Rock, keeping
    just south of Interstate 30...it barely missed the Little Rock
    National Airport.

    We've had tornados during the winter - although quite rare. We have had snow storms dump up to 3' on us in one plop. That's just way too much! I will say however, our power situation is pretty decent here now. We did lose it last summer for a solid week because of a hurricane that came through. Roughed it for the first couple of days when it was still somewhat cool enough but after that I was making trips to the gas station twice a day for the generator to keep the a/c running.

    You are wise. :) As a side note, I'm on packet on the NS2B BBS in Penfield, New York. It offers RF and Telnet Access every Monday at 8pm Eastern Time. I alternate Net Control with NS2B, and that's my home
    packet BBS, since I don't have RF gear here. If you go to my Bio on
    QRZ, click on the hyperlink for a list of spreadsheets of 200 D-Star, D-Rats, and Echolink Nets, and PDF files related to ham radio. One of
    them tells about the NS2B BBS, and The PCL Net. That net originally started on a BBS in Branson, Missouri...but that BBS is long since QRT, since it's Sysop and his wife are Silent Keys (I did get the chance to meet them a few years before their deaths). Another file tells about
    "The E.D. Net", and that may also be in the "Ham Radio Humor" file.

    All those folk/stations I'm quite familiar with. When it comes to packet I'm one of the alleged village elders. We were hoping NS2B would join the rest of us in the area and go FlexNet/FBB but he did not for some reason. I already
    had a link to the station in Branson, Mo.

    We used to run BPQ switch 25 years ago then realized 2 things:
    1. We were wasting 20 bytes/frame on unneeded protocol overhead
    2. FlexNet's routing is as real-time as you can get.

    Way back then when too many axip nodes were killing RF links the NetRom
    table was getting filled with ghosted nodes and users were complaining that
    our network did not work. We understood where they were coming from. After
    all without users, there's no need for the service(s). If you saw it you'd proably wonder why more aren't using it. My software supports telnet. If
    one sources as 44-net they only need a callsign. If one is sourced as any
    other IPv4 or IPv6 (yes I support that) then a password needs to be given.
    The sysop's email will display... and it works great with SynchTERM!

    I can barely beat the casino games on the BBS, and lost more than I
    won with the lotto...although I prefer the scratch off tickets. The
    best I ever did in a casino, was one year, when I flew Southwest
    Airlines from Little Rock to Saint Louis, to use some expiring flight miles. I took the Metrolink light rail system to East St. Louis, Illinois...and walked down to one of the permanently moored casino riverboats there. I spent $1 in the casino, but hit the jackpot on an
    all you can eat breakfast buffet for $4!! H.A.M. stands for H)ave
    A)nother M)eal, and you don't call us "late for dinner" (hi hi). I keep thinking they're going to replace the courtesy tones on the repeaters
    on Thanksgiving with a belch <LOL!>.

    I've never stepped foot in a casino to play! Once on New Year's eve we had tickets to see Vicky the trailor nasty comic from AGT perform and to get
    to where she was, we had to walk through the outer edges of the MGM casino. Being New Years Eve you can imagine the barely worn dresses these #metoo girls were wearing that night - at times I saw so much "donkey" I thought I was at the DNC!

    If you have a Tex-Mex Emergency, you dial Nine Juan Juan. <G>

    ROFL! I hope you coated your basin with Hellmans yesterday before doing
    your dishes... after all it was "sink"o de "mayo" <EG>

    Daryl, WX4QZ

    Ahh! Now I know where I've seen that callsign before!


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Sat May 8 02:11:00 2021
    On 05-05-21 17:29, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    In the last week, large tornadoes raked areas near Atlanta, and in
    the Carolinas...and the Birmingham, Alabama area, had significant flooding.

    I rest my case. :)

    ... I stayed in a really old hotel last night. They sent me a wake-up letter.

    I doubt they left the light on for you. <G>

    No, they were out of whale oil. :P


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Sat May 8 02:12:00 2021
    On 05-05-21 17:37, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the battery, which then caused thermal and chemical issues. He was
    lucky to prevent disaster.

    I would say so...wow!!

    Yeah, things can go wrong.

    I think of the blooper where the fire chief noted "Something hot came into contact with something flammable, and that was the cause of the
    fire in the church kitchen". What was your first clue?? <G>


    Oh dear. :D




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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Sat May 8 02:20:00 2021
    On 05-05-21 22:37, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes, sure, those kind of things can happen. My point was that it's probably better to have your system(s) on a UPS to protect them from intermittent power losses due to storms, not necessarily to protect
    them absolutely from a direct lightning hit.

    Yeah, I'd like to at least make sure the UPS had all the fuses needed just in case... :)

    My bigger point was that for me at least, I'm not going to be a slave
    to the weather and take down my BBS just because there might be a thunderstorm that day. I think that is an over-reaction. I mean, am I also going to unplug all my TVs and other devices every time? And what
    if I'm not home when the storm moves in? I don't worry too much about stuff like that, is all.

    Yeah, I generally don't take things down. Sure it's a risk, but somewhat calculated.


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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Gamgee on Fri May 7 13:09:00 2021
    Hello Gamgee;

    Gamgee wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    My bigger point was that for me at least, I'm not going to be a slave
    to the weather and take down my BBS just because there might be a thunderstorm that day. I think that is an over-reaction. I mean, am I also going to unplug all my TVs and other devices every time? And what
    if I'm not home when the storm moves in? I don't worry too much about stuff like that, is all.

    In that regard, I totally agree. There's also times as you've mentioned where
    a thunder cloud may form and you're not home... and it wasn't forecasted. Nothing you can do.

    Wow. You had to dig deep to pull that one out, eh? Who said anything about a hurricane approaching, or being ordered to evacuate? That's right.... nobody did. That's a whole different thing than what was
    being discussed, which was "the chance of a thunderstorm coming
    through". Please turn down the drama a notch, wouldja?

    If you read through my entire post first, you'd see where I was getting at various levels of weather, with the above the worst case scenario.

    I got news for ya. The amount of items plugged in does not, in any
    way, affect the chance of a lightning strike hitting your house.
    There's no "magnet" in the sense that you are using it. Completely irrelevant.

    Actually that's not necessarily true. Part of it has to do with what exactly
    it is you have plugged in and whether or not it's running, what sort of
    fields it may be generating, etc.

    Does the depth of the antenna below ground affect the chances of it
    being hit by lightning? I wouldn't think that it would.

    Hit? no. Filtering the level of damage caused? Absolutely. If you've ever studied and passed any sort of broadcast license tests from the FCC you'd
    know exactly what I'm talking about here. 8' is the recommended earth depth
    for a decent ground to offset a lightning hit.

    The "chance" for a storm coming through is *EXACTLY* what was being discussed by myself and Daryl. Yep. Thus my point(s).

    And I was agreeing with you.

    I promise you that you're not telling me anything I don't already know, even if your information is not entirely accurate.

    I hold various broadcast licenses and have passed both commercial and amateur radio tests, as well as I.T. certs. I assure you, my credentials are there.
    I also sysop emergency communications systems in Florida. I know your weather and it is quite a challenge. Funny thing is, the worse the weather the better things stand up, yet a minor thunderhead rolls through and it's major
    troubles for us. Like playing scratch tickets... sometimes you win sometimes you lose no matter what precautions you take.

    73 de N1URO

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Brian Rogers on Sun May 9 01:29:00 2021
    Brian Rogers wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I got news for ya. The amount of items plugged in does not, in any
    way, affect the chance of a lightning strike hitting your house.
    There's no "magnet" in the sense that you are using it. Completely irrelevant.

    Actually that's not necessarily true. Part of it has to do with
    what exactly it is you have plugged in and whether or not it's
    running, what sort of fields it may be generating, etc.

    Actually, it's absolutely true. Your claim is absolute bullshit.
    Lightning doesn't strike based on what sort of fields might be lurking
    about. Sorry, but that's wrong.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Gamgee on Thu May 13 01:35:00 2021
    That's why one puts the cable modem, the router, switches, BBS
    computer, and whatever else...... ON A UPS. That's how I've got things set up here. A momentary "blip" or a brownout does not affect
    anything.

    It has over here...if not the computer, the incoming internet.

    I own it because I *NEED* it to be ready for hurricanes here. Used it last fall for 10 days when I had no power. I would think that somebody
    in Arkansas, where there is also frequent unsettled weather, would also own a generator. There's no "luck" involved in that. Just common
    sense.

    The price they say for the generators in the commercials is for the generator ONLY -- it does NOT include labor, installation, and other costs; which can easily add $5000 to $10,000 to the price.

    Okay, but that doesn't have much to do with taking down your BBS
    because there might be a thunderstorm coming through sometime today.

    I have plenty of concern for weather. Take a look at the hurricane
    data in this area for the last 20 years and tell me I don't know about weather problems. Hint: I do.

    I was in Miami when Betsy went through in 1965...they didn't really have another storm until Andrew in 1992.

    If my system gets fried, I'll restore it and be back online in short
    order (as in a couple of hours, maybe). Not sure how you figure that
    I'm calling you an idiot, because I didn't do that. I just mentioned
    that perhaps you're over-reacting to a thunderstorm. For the record, there's a rather large difference between a thunderstorm and a hurricane...

    But, there are thunderstorms in hurricanes...some describe hurricanes as
    "a 200 mile wile tornado".

    I wasn't chiding you. Not sure why you appear to be so sensitive, but whatever. I have experienced bad weather... how many hurricanes have
    you been through?

    I experienced Betsy in 1965...since then, either hurricanes or tropical storms have come across Arkansas...and although we don't get the storm surge flooding like they do on the coast, we still get tornadoes.

    Again not sure why you're so sensitive about this. As for a rude awakening, I have nightly automated backups of my system, and restoring
    it would be trivial. Literally a couple of hours, maximum, and
    probably less than that.

    Try living on $1000 a month disability, and tell me if you can afford the expense of a generator, etc...especially when the costs of medical and other issues keep coming up.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 13 01:46:00 2021
    Brian,

    I've heard of this before, tragic!

    It shows you're no match for the weather. My late mother-in-law quipped
    that "I'd be [pooping] in high grass, if I could control it". <G>

    One just never knows where the path of electricity in such an open
    field will flow. It's almost parallel to water on an open field of
    grass - one never knows where puddles may form.

    When lightning strikes the ground...the soil acts as a conductor, and
    the current continues in the ground. Ditches and other depressions will
    attract and concentrate the ground current. Then, if the ground is moist,
    that entire soggy area could also be electrified.

    Very true! Speaking of which I just finished cutting mine - except for
    a small section where a baby bunny is trying to hide in the tall grass. Even though there's a good chance it'lll eat the flowers we'll be
    planting in a few weeks, it's still a life.

    The prolific rain we've had here has made the grass and weeds grow
    like there's no tomorrow. All of the landscaping/lawn care folks are
    way behind. Mine finally got done on Monday. I had gone out to Lowe's,
    and was going to buy an electric law mower, but the weight of it ruled
    that out. Yet, I saw a simple push mower, with no gas or electricity,
    that you could push along, for just under $110. The hardest part of
    getting it together was to get the handle on the mower...you had to
    squeeze it together to fit. It reminds me of the "toy mowers" kids
    had years ago. I may try to use it to trim the ivy on the lawn, but
    I need to do it when it's cool, and when the insects aren't out and
    about.

    We've had tornados during the winter - although quite rare. We have had snow storms dump up to 3' on us in one plop. That's just way too much!

    Two back to back storms back in mid-February had nearly 2 feet of snow
    on the ground in Little Rock. Folks around this part of the country don't
    know how to drive in all that mess.

    I will say however, our power situation is pretty decent here now. We
    did lose it last summer for a solid week because of a hurricane that
    came through. Roughed it for the first couple of days when it was still somewhat cool enough but after that I was making trips to the gas
    station twice a day for the generator to keep the a/c running.

    It's rare I lose power here...but I can't afford a generator. The cost
    you see for the generators are for the generator ONLY -- it does NOT
    include labor, installation, and other costs...which can easily add
    $5000 to $10000 or more to it.

    All those folk/stations I'm quite familiar with. When it comes to
    packet I'm one of the alleged village elders. We were hoping NS2B would join the rest of us in the area and go FlexNet/FBB but he did not for
    some reason. I already had a link to the station in Branson, Mo.

    That BBS in Branson was my packet home until it shut down.

    you saw it you'd proably wonder why more aren't using it. My software supports telnet. If one sources as 44-net they only need a callsign. If one is sourced as any other IPv4 or IPv6 (yes I support that) then a password needs to be given. The sysop's email will display... and it
    works great with SynchTERM!

    I need to see if one could use the telnet deal within Synchronet to
    access a packet BBS terminal mode via a telnet client. Of course, I'd
    be sure that only licensed hams could access that. I hate I can no
    longer have that packet door on the BBS, but if I can get the BBS into
    the cloud, I wouldn't be able to do that, anyway.

    But, between the storms of late, and an injury to my right cornea, my computer and BBS work has been greatly diminished of late. Then my other cellphone decided to commit suicide yesterday. I cut the brightness down
    on the monitors to 50%.

    I've never stepped foot in a casino to play! Once on New Year's eve we
    had tickets to see Vicky the trailor nasty comic from AGT perform and
    to get to where she was, we had to walk through the outer edges of the
    MGM casino. Being New Years Eve you can imagine the barely worn dresses these #metoo girls were wearing that night - at times I saw so much "donkey" I thought I was at the DNC!

    Hee-Haw...or is it Yee-Haw?? (hi hi).

    If you have a Tex-Mex Emergency, you dial Nine Juan Juan. <G>

    ROFL! I hope you coated your basin with Hellmans yesterday before doing your dishes... after all it was "sink"o de "mayo" <EG>

    Exactly. I may be too old to cut the mustard, but I can still stir the mayonnaise (hi hi).

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Thu May 13 01:49:00 2021
    Tony,

    In the last week, large tornadoes raked areas near Atlanta, and in
    the Carolinas...and the Birmingham, Alabama area, had significant flooding.

    I rest my case. :)

    The pattern is shaping up for heavy rain here much of next week. I'll
    bet come August, we won't be able to buy a drop of rain.

    ... I stayed in a really old hotel last night. They sent me a wake-up letter.

    I doubt they left the light on for you. <G>

    No, they were out of whale oil. :P

    I was trying to think of a good comeback for that one, but with dealing
    with a cornea injury to my right eye, I've had too much else on my mind.

    ... Never do card tricks for the group with whom you play poker.

    Especially if there's a strip involved. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Thu May 13 01:50:00 2021
    Tony,

    Maybe? Maybe not. Maybe? Maybe not. Maybe? Maybe not. Maybe? Maybe not.

    Or like where the guy is responding to his wife with "yes, dear". When he says "no, dear"...she slaps the dickens out of him, and he meekly replies
    "yes, dear". :P

    Daryl

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 13 06:06:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    When lightning strikes the ground...the soil acts as a conductor, and the current continues in the ground. Ditches and other depressions will attract and concentrate the ground current. Then, if the ground is
    moist, that entire soggy area could also be electrified.

    Actually lightning strikes the sky as it goes from the ground up no? :)

    like there's no tomorrow. All of the landscaping/lawn care folks are
    way behind. Mine finally got done on Monday. I had gone out to Lowe's,
    and was going to buy an electric law mower, but the weight of it ruled that out. Yet, I saw a simple push mower, with no gas or electricity,
    that you could push along, for just under $110. The hardest part of getting it together was to get the handle on the mower...you had to squeeze it together to fit. It reminds me of the "toy mowers" kids
    had years ago. I may try to use it to trim the ivy on the lawn, but
    I need to do it when it's cool, and when the insects aren't out and
    about.

    We just thew away one of those old fashioned push mowers where the blades were on some sort of a spinning cylander - definite antique! No handle though.

    Two back to back storms back in mid-February had nearly 2 feet of
    snow on the ground in Little Rock. Folks around this part of the
    country don't know how to drive in all that mess.

    That's what we often get during storms now in the winter.

    It's rare I lose power here...but I can't afford a generator. The
    cost you see for the generators are for the generator ONLY -- it does
    NOT include labor, installation, and other costs...which can easily add $5000 to $10000 or more to it.

    Ours is a portable one. Much more affordable.

    That BBS in Branson was my packet home until it shut down.

    Yes, he had a link into me. It was a horrible link but it was there when it wanted to be.

    I need to see if one could use the telnet deal within Synchronet to access a packet BBS terminal mode via a telnet client. Of course, I'd
    be sure that only licensed hams could access that. I hate I can no
    longer have that packet door on the BBS, but if I can get the BBS into
    the cloud, I wouldn't be able to do that, anyway.

    I have SBBS speaking nicely with my URONode.

    But, between the storms of late, and an injury to my right cornea, my computer and BBS work has been greatly diminished of late. Then my
    other cellphone decided to commit suicide yesterday. I cut the
    brightness down on the monitors to 50%.

    Sorry to hear about your vision issues. That's never a fun thing to deal with.

    Exactly. I may be too old to cut the mustard, but I can still stir
    the mayonnaise (hi hi).

    A guy knows he's getting old when he STOPS chasing girls to have fun with them BUT INSTEAD chases girls in hopes they'll take care of him! <G>
    73 de N1URO

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 13 06:09:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Especially if there's a strip involved. :P

    A bit off topic but...

    A woman stopped by unannounced at her recently married son's house
    She rang the doorbell and walked in. She was shocked to see her
    daughter-in-law lying on the couch totally naked. Soft music was playing
    and the aroma of perfume filled the room.

    "What are you doing?" she asked.

    "I'm waiting for my husband to come home from work" the daughter-in-law answered.

    "But you're naked!" the mother-in-law exclaimed.

    "This is my love dress" the daughter-in-law explained.

    "Love dress? But you're naked!"

    "My husband loves me to wear this dress" she explained. "It excites him to
    no end. Every time he sees me in this dress he instantly becomes romantic
    and ravages me for hours on end. He can't get enough of me."

    The mother-in-law left. When she got home she undressed showered put on
    her best perfume dimmed the lights put on a romantic CD and laid on the
    couch waiting for her husband to arrive.

    Finally her husband came home. He walked in and saw her laying there so provocatively.

    "What are you doing?" he asked.

    "This is my love dress" she whispered sensually.

    "Needs ironing" he said. "What's for dinner?"

    His funeral will be held next Thursday


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Daryl Stout on Fri May 14 03:05:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I own it because I *NEED* it to be ready for hurricanes here. Used it last fall for 10 days when I had no power. I would think that somebody
    in Arkansas, where there is also frequent unsettled weather, would also own a generator. There's no "luck" involved in that. Just common
    sense.

    The price they say for the generators in the commercials is for
    the generator ONLY -- it does NOT include labor, installation,
    and other costs; which can easily add $5000 to $10,000 to the
    price.

    I wasn't referring to a "whole-house" type of built-in generator. Just
    a portable one which is enough to power the fridge, freezer, maybe a fan
    and some lights. I generally only run it for an hour or two, followed
    by 4-6 hours of not running, and the fridge/freezer remain cold.

    I have plenty of concern for weather. Take a look at the hurricane
    data in this area for the last 20 years and tell me I don't know about weather problems. Hint: I do.

    I was in Miami when Betsy went through in 1965...they didn't
    really have another storm until Andrew in 1992.

    Wasn't talking about Miami. I live in Pensacola, and the Gulf Coast has
    been *hammered* by hurricanes the last several years. I was here in
    2004 for Ivan and it tore the city apart. Even last September,
    hurricane Sally did a LOT of damage here. Although Miami and Pensacola
    are both in Florida, there's really no correlation in the weather that
    each gets.

    If my system gets fried, I'll restore it and be back online in short
    order (as in a couple of hours, maybe). Not sure how you figure that
    I'm calling you an idiot, because I didn't do that. I just mentioned
    that perhaps you're over-reacting to a thunderstorm. For the record, there's a rather large difference between a thunderstorm and a hurricane...

    But, there are thunderstorms in hurricanes...some describe
    hurricanes as "a 200 mile wile tornado".

    That doesn't address my point about over-reacting to thunderstorms.

    Again not sure why you're so sensitive about this. As for a rude awakening, I have nightly automated backups of my system, and restoring
    it would be trivial. Literally a couple of hours, maximum, and
    probably less than that.

    Try living on $1000 a month disability, and tell me if you can
    afford the expense of a generator, etc...especially when the
    costs of medical and other issues keep coming up.

    Well, that would be hard, indeed. If that's your only income, you
    probably qualify for significant benefits/assistance. Maybe you could
    even get a free generator.



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Sat May 15 00:23:00 2021
    Brian,

    Actually lightning strikes the sky as it goes from the ground up no? :)

    Correct. It starts as a stepped leader from the ground up, and when
    it completes the path, you see the flash.

    Inside the growing thunderstorm, bits of precipitation, called
    condensation nuclei (the building block of rain or snow) bump into
    each other, and grow larger. This is known as coalesence. But, the
    collisions create charges, positive and negative charges throughout
    the storm, and for several miles around it. Like charges repel, but
    negative charges attract. Finally, the build-up of charge becomes so
    great that the air can no longer insulate them from one other, and the
    charged is dispelled as lightning...a massive discharge of static
    electricity.

    We just thew away one of those old fashioned push mowers where the
    blades were on some sort of a spinning cylander - definite antique! No handle though.

    I thought of the toy mowers kids grew up with when "they wanted to mow
    the yard like Daddy did". Of course, the little girls were disappointed
    when they found out they couldn't pee standing up, like Daddy did <G>.

    That's what we often get during storms now in the winter.

    It's pretty when it falls, but when it gets "dirty", it's an eyesore.
    Of course, you never eat the yellow snow. <G>

    Ours is a portable one. Much more affordable.

    I can't even afford that right now.

    Yes, he had a link into me. It was a horrible link but it was there
    when it wanted to be.

    I got to meet the Sysop and his wife years ago...real sweet couple.

    I have SBBS speaking nicely with my URONode.

    I've have to check with that once the weather calms down, and my eye
    heals up. I turned the brightness way down on the monitors.

    Sorry to hear about your vision issues. That's never a fun thing to
    deal with.

    Never mind I had to have blind ham radio operators help me get out of
    hamfest parking lots and hospital parking decks. <G>

    A guy knows he's getting old when he STOPS chasing girls to have fun
    with them BUT INSTEAD chases girls in hopes they'll take care of him!

    Nowadays, so many have so much excess baggage. The only drama I liked in
    my life was when I was in theatre arts in high school and college.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Sat May 15 00:24:00 2021
    Brian,

    "This is my love dress" she whispered sensually.

    "Needs ironing" he said. "What's for dinner?"

    His funeral will be held next Thursday


    ROFLMAO!! I needed that today!! <BG>

    Daryl

    ... Classical Gas: A Mozart Fart.
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Sat May 15 07:51:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-


    His funeral will be held next Thursday


    ROFLMAO!! I needed that today!! <BG>

    I had a lot more of those... can't find them! Ugh!

    A guy knows he's getting old when he stops chasing girls to have 'fun' with them but instead chases them to help take care of him!


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Sat May 15 15:53:00 2021
    Brian,


    His funeral will be held next Thursday


    ROFLMAO!! I needed that today!! <BG>

    I had a lot more of those... can't find them! Ugh!

    They're where you left them last time. <G>

    A guy knows he's getting old when he stops chasing girls to have 'fun' with them but instead chases them to help take care of him!

    OK, doc, if that's the diagnosis, can I owe you a wooden nickel for
    this?? <G>

    Daryl

    ... Glutinoxious: Hospital food.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Sat May 15 20:53:00 2021
    Hello Daryl

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    They're where you left them last time. <G>

    I wish they were! I know where I left them. More likely I can't recall
    the filename I saved them under!

    OK, doc, if that's the diagnosis, can I owe you a wooden nickel for this?? <G>

    Ahh the old buffalo heads LOL

    ... DalekDOS v(overflow): (I)Obey (V)ision impaired (E)xterminate
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Sun May 16 19:26:00 2021
    On 05-12-21 18:49, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The pattern is shaping up for heavy rain here much of next week. I'll bet come August, we won't be able to buy a drop of rain.

    Hmm, I'm just about to head north to Queensland. It's supposed to be the dry season up there, but they've had a fair bit of rain lately.

    I was trying to think of a good comeback for that one, but with
    dealing with a cornea injury to my right eye, I've had too much else on
    my mind.

    Fairy nuff. :P

    ... Never do card tricks for the group with whom you play poker.

    Especially if there's a strip involved. :P

    *points and giggles* You been playing poker again? :P

    Daryl

    ... If you think everything's OK, you've overlooked something.

    Always. ;)


    ... A good man dies when a boy goes wrong.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Sun May 16 19:26:00 2021
    On 05-12-21 18:50, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Or like where the guy is responding to his wife with "yes, dear".
    When he says "no, dear"...she slaps the dickens out of him, and he
    meekly replies "yes, dear". :P

    :D

    ... "Somebody left the cork out of my lunch." -W.C. Fields

    Sounds like a business lunch (and a long one at that). ;)


    ... Her wedding invitations say Same time, same place.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Mon May 17 01:04:00 2021
    Brian,

    They're where you left them last time. <G>

    I wish they were! I know where I left them. More likely I can't recall
    the filename I saved them under!

    I've had that happen as well...even when using a file searching utility,
    you still can't find a file.

    OK, doc, if that's the diagnosis, can I owe you a wooden nickel for this?? <G>

    Ahh the old buffalo heads LOL

    Remember...when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty. <G>

    Daryl

    ... 3 things fail as you get older. Memory's first.......................... --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Mon May 17 01:06:00 2021
    Tony,

    Hmm, I'm just about to head north to Queensland. It's supposed to be
    the dry season up there, but they've had a fair bit of rain lately.

    It may be a mud bog when you get there...it'll be that way here after
    the forecast of 6 to 12 inches of rain here by this time next week. At
    least I'm high enough where that's not an issue.

    I was trying to think of a good comeback for that one, but with
    dealing with a cornea injury to my right eye, I've had too much else on
    my mind.

    Fairy nuff. :P

    Is that one related to Tinkerbell?? <G>

    ... Never do card tricks for the group with whom you play poker.

    Especially if there's a strip involved. :P

    *points and giggles* You been playing poker again? :P

    The one thing they don't discuss in a nudist colony are tape measures.
    But, at a nudist wedding, you can tell who the best man is. <G>

    If you think everything's OK, you've overlooked something.

    Always. ;)

    Murphy's Law (sigh!).

    Daryl

    ... Ham Radio QRP: When you care the most to send the very least.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Mon May 17 01:07:00 2021
    Tony,

    ... "Somebody left the cork out of my lunch." -W.C. Fields

    Sounds like a business lunch (and a long one at that). ;)

    He also noted "Inflation has gone up over a dollar a quart". <G>

    Daryl

    ... "I was married by a judge. I should've asked for a jury." -Groucho
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Tue May 18 16:24:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    I've had that happen as well...even when using a file searching
    utility, you still can't find a file.

    I know they exist somewhere because for my Evolution email, I use them
    like taglines for my signature. It's a shame when my one liners in the signature often get more comments then the body contents of my mails...
    he says as he mumbles with a mouthfull of oatmeal <G>

    Remember...when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty. <G>

    +1 and made into a tagline :)

    ... Blood is too precious a commodity.-Bram Stoker's Dracula
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Tue May 18 16:25:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Murphy's Law (sigh!).

    Murphy seemed to have written the rough draft, I perfected it *sigh*

    ... Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Wed May 19 16:35:00 2021
    On 05-16-21 18:06, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
    Tony,

    Hmm, I'm just about to head north to Queensland. It's supposed to be
    the dry season up there, but they've had a fair bit of rain lately.

    It may be a mud bog when you get there...it'll be that way here after the forecast of 6 to 12 inches of rain here by this time next week. At least I'm high enough where that's not an issue.

    We'll see. So far, the weather up ahead looks good. Currently cruising at altitude about 30-35 minutes north of Brisbane. :)

    Fairy nuff. :P

    Is that one related to Tinkerbell?? <G>

    Only if you pull the other one (it has bells on ;) ).

    The one thing they don't discuss in a nudist colony are tape
    measures. But, at a nudist wedding, you can tell who the best man is.


    Haha true. ;)

    If you think everything's OK, you've overlooked something.

    Always. ;)

    Murphy's Law (sigh!).

    Murphy was an optimist ;)

    Daryl

    ... Ham Radio QRP: When you care the most to send the very least.

    True. ;)


    ... I have a mind like a steel... uh... thingy.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Wed May 19 16:36:00 2021
    On 05-16-21 18:07, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    He also noted "Inflation has gone up over a dollar a quart". <G>

    Haha yep. ;)

    Daryl

    ... "I was married by a judge. I should've asked for a jury." -Groucho

    Might have got a better opinion and verdict. :D


    ... I'm an optimist... I'm positive things are going to go wrong. ;)
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brian Rogers on Wed May 19 17:19:00 2021
    On 05-18-21 09:25, Brian Rogers wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CARNAGE
    Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Murphy's Law (sigh!).

    Murphy seemed to have written the rough draft, I perfected it *sigh*

    Haha, it's the quantised revision of Murphy's Law that really gets you - Ëverything goes wrong all at once". :)


    ... Sure, I drink brake fluid. But I can stop anytime!
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Vk3jed on Thu May 20 00:11:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Haha, it's the quantised revision of Murphy's Law that really gets you
    - *verything goes wrong all at once". :)

    Seems the older I get the more of those sorts of days I have...


    ... Oxymoron: management science
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 20 00:16:00 2021
    On 05-16-21 18:07, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    ... "I was married by a judge. I should've asked for a jury." -Groucho

    Might have got a better opinion and verdict. :D

    hahahaha truer words were never spoken!!



    ... Mice found everywhere! [F]ire cat [G]et more cats
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 20 04:20:00 2021
    Brian,

    I've had that happen as well...even when using a file searching
    utility, you still can't find a file.

    I know they exist somewhere because for my Evolution email, I use them like taglines for my signature. It's a shame when my one liners in the signature often get more comments then the body contents of my mails...
    he says as he mumbles with a mouthfull of oatmeal <G>

    Or you named it something else than what you thought it might be.

    I haven't had oatmeal in ages...I preferred the apples and cinnamon, but preferred it THICK.

    Remember...when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty. <G>

    +1 and made into a tagline :)

    I need to streamline my tagline collection.

    Daryl

    ... Eat beans...America needs the gas.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 20 04:22:00 2021
    Brian,

    Murphy's Law (sigh!).

    Murphy seemed to have written the rough draft, I perfected it *sigh*

    No wonder the ham radio and BBS stuff gets so screwed up. :P

    ... Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!

    A case of mistaken indemnity. :P

    Daryl

    ... Definition of an upgrade: Take old bugs out; insert new bugs.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Thu May 20 04:25:00 2021
    Tony,

    We'll see. So far, the weather up ahead looks good. Currently
    cruising at altitude about 30-35 minutes north of Brisbane. :)

    We'll get a few days of dry weather, but the heat and humidity will
    make it feel like summer a month early.

    Is that one related to Tinkerbell?? <G>

    Only if you pull the other one (it has bells on ;) ).

    Never mind "my ding-a-ling". <G>

    Murphy's Law (sigh!).

    Murphy was an optimist ;)

    Brian, N1URO, said Murphy did the rough draft, and he perfected it. <G>

    ... I have a mind like a steel... uh... thingy.

    Better than the tagline below.

    Daryl

    ... "Junior!! Quit Playing With Your Floppy!!"
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brian Rogers on Thu May 20 22:28:00 2021
    On 05-19-21 17:11, Brian Rogers wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CARNAGE
    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Haha, it's the quantised revision of Murphy's Law that really gets you
    - *verything goes wrong all at once". :)

    Seems the older I get the more of those sorts of days I have...

    Haha :)


    ... Sir! Romulan Warbird decloaking off th #%NO CARRIER
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Thu May 20 22:33:00 2021
    On 05-19-21 21:25, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    We'll get a few days of dry weather, but the heat and humidity will
    make it feel like summer a month early.

    Like here. ;)

    Never mind "my ding-a-ling". <G>

    I wanna play with my ding-a-ling. :P

    ... "Junior!! Quit Playing With Your Floppy!!"

    That goes with the above. :P


    ... When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 20 13:39:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Or you named it something else than what you thought it might be.

    Ahh found it! You're correct I named it something else. After all, what's in
    a name? <G>

    I haven't had oatmeal in ages...I preferred the apples and cinnamon,
    but preferred it THICK.

    Mine as well.

    Remember...when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty. <G>

    I said that to the millenial when we went for top soil and a bag of
    manuer... he had NO clue what I said. Moral of the story: they can't
    think for themselves, and school can't teach that :\

    I need to streamline my tagline collection.
    ... Eat beans...America needs the gas.

    Only in the southeast!


    ... Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, A
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 20 13:45:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    No wonder the ham radio and BBS stuff gets so screwed up. :P

    Ha! It's much better here anyway.
    I had a guy set up a new system and send me a test msg. He's in Pennsylvania. He has an RF path to me. His "new server" is in Florida. His route to me went first to the netherlands, another hop within the netherlands, to south america, to the u.k. then finally over to me. I refuse to answer him. I didn't study to play amatuer WIRED internet! This is what Hank W0RLI warned us about happening. I miss him and his LLL area <G> He probably had more in there than the FCC does in their db xD

    ... Definition of an upgrade: Take old bugs out; insert new bugs.

    Only Microsoft :) They call that "Job Security".

    ... ISDN: It Still Does Nothing
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 20 17:25:00 2021
    Brian,

    ... "I was married by a judge. I should've asked for a jury." -Groucho

    Might have got a better opinion and verdict. :D

    hahahaha truer words were never spoken!!

    Or a Miss-Trial. <G>

    Daryl

    ... Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas
  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Thu May 20 17:27:00 2021
    Tony,

    We'll get a few days of dry weather, but the heat and humidity will
    make it feel like summer a month early.

    Like here. ;)

    I prefer the COLD weather...it means no insects (especially the stinging ones), no heat illness, and no tornadoes. We have a chance of isolated tornadoes here through tonight, due to backed winds, and strong shear. It
    is supposed to dry out Friday through next Tuesday, then storms are back
    again, and it could affect the holiday weekend next weekend.

    Never mind "my ding-a-ling". <G>

    I wanna play with my ding-a-ling. :P

    Now, I'll have that song in my head all day.

    ... "Junior!! Quit Playing With Your Floppy!!"

    That goes with the above. :P

    Does it go with the tagline below??

    Daryl

    ... How long do we have to practice sex before it's safe??
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Fri May 21 15:40:00 2021
    On 05-20-21 10:27, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I prefer the COLD weather...it means no insects (especially the
    stinging ones), no heat illness, and no tornadoes. We have a chance of

    We get insects all year round, especially flies and European wasps. Heat illness is easily prevented, and tornados are rare. :) Besides, tornados are actually more common in late winter/early spring, when the weather is cold!

    isolated tornadoes here through tonight, due to backed winds, and
    strong shear. It is supposed to dry out Friday through next Tuesday,
    then storms are back again, and it could affect the holiday weekend
    next weekend.

    Ahh, OK. I'm just watching the tropicsl late autumn drizzle. :)

    Never mind "my ding-a-ling". <G>

    I wanna play with my ding-a-ling. :P

    Now, I'll have that song in my head all day.

    Hahaha, well you know what to do. ;P

    ... "Junior!! Quit Playing With Your Floppy!!"

    That goes with the above. :P

    Does it go with the tagline below??

    Daryl

    ... How long do we have to practice sex before it's safe??

    I don't practice, I'm accomplished. :P


    ... Oxymoron: Windows Capable
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brian Rogers on Fri May 21 16:25:00 2021
    On 05-20-21 06:45, Brian Rogers wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CARNAGE
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    No wonder the ham radio and BBS stuff gets so screwed up. :P

    Ha! It's much better here anyway.
    I had a guy set up a new system and send me a test msg. He's in Pennsylvania. He has an RF path to me. His "new server" is in Florida.
    His route to me went first to the netherlands, another hop within the netherlands, to south america, to the u.k. then finally over to me. I refuse to answer him. I didn't study to play amatuer WIRED internet!
    This is what Hank W0RLI warned us about happening. I miss him and his
    LLL area <G> He probably had more in there than the FCC does in their
    db xD

    Currently with packet, that's the only way I can fly, but I would like to have a RF node of some sort on the air and invite others to connect. :) Another side project is to setup an Internet server for VK 1200 MHz repeater owners to connect to, to create a 23cm network.

    What's wrong with IRLP, Echolink or AllStar? Nothing, except that they allow 2m and 70cm nodes to connect, and because of our retransmission rules, Foundation stations can appear on these modes and be retransmitted to anything else. And because they're not allowed on 23cm, that means it's easy to cause a licence breach that's almost impossible to prevent, short of not connecting to the mainstream networks. So for now, a dedicated 23cm network is needed, until the regs change. :/ I'm considering using a SvxReflector for this, perhaps TG 1273 on a new server, given that repeater outputs tend to be around 1273 MHz.
    )

    ... Definition of an upgrade: Take old bugs out; insert new bugs.

    Only Microsoft :) They call that "Job Security".

    ... ISDN: It Still Does Nothing

    LOL yep, coz no one can afford it - in Australia, ISDN was prohibitively expensive for home users, because calls were metered. Line rental was actually reasonable, but the call charges were a killer for online use. ADSL killed ISDN for most purposes, eventually.


    ... Experience is directly proportional to ruined equipment.
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Fri May 21 06:15:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Or a Miss-Trial. <G>

    My "miss trial" was her maiden name... I was trying to get rid of her altogether! Even Henny Youngman was advocating for me over himself <G>

    ... Learn PC terms: https://www.n1uro.com/~n1uro/terms/
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Vk3jed on Fri May 21 06:24:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Currently with packet, that's the only way I can fly, but I would like
    to have a RF node of some sort on the air and invite others to connect.
    :) Another side project is to setup an Internet server for VK 1200 MHz repeater owners to connect to, to create a 23cm network.

    What's holding you back? Not me <G>

    What's wrong with IRLP, Echolink or AllStar? Nothing, except that they allow 2m and 70cm nodes to connect, and because of our retransmission rules, Foundation stations can appear on these modes and be
    retransmitted to anything else. And because they're not allowed on
    23cm, that means it's easy to cause a licence breach that's almost impossible to prevent, short of not connecting to the mainstream
    networks. So for now, a dedicated 23cm network is needed, until the
    regs change. :/ I'm considering using a SvxReflector for this, perhaps
    TG 1273 on a new server, given that repeater outputs tend to be around 1273 MHz. )

    Want real good retransmission? Pull me finger ;D ...then say "regulate that buddy!" LOL

    LOL yep, coz no one can afford it - in Australia, ISDN was
    prohibitively expensive for home users, because calls were metered.
    Line rental was actually reasonable, but the call charges were a killer for online use. ADSL killed ISDN for most purposes, eventually.

    Here IDSL killed ISDN. I was hired at one ISP to help migrate their ISDN customers to IDSL. It was pretty much the same darn thing except that the protocol overhead used for IDSN was reallocated for data segments giving it
    a very slightly faster speed.

    ---
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brian Rogers on Sun May 23 03:57:00 2021
    On 05-20-21 23:24, Brian Rogers wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CARNAGE
    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Currently with packet, that's the only way I can fly, but I would like
    to have a RF node of some sort on the air and invite others to connect.
    :) Another side project is to setup an Internet server for VK 1200 MHz repeater owners to connect to, to create a 23cm network.

    What's holding you back? Not me <G>

    Gotta setup my 23cm repeater first. That's a "slow burn" project. :)

    What's wrong with IRLP, Echolink or AllStar? Nothing, except that they allow 2m and 70cm nodes to connect, and because of our retransmission rules, Foundation stations can appear on these modes and be
    retransmitted to anything else. And because they're not allowed on
    23cm, that means it's easy to cause a licence breach that's almost impossible to prevent, short of not connecting to the mainstream
    networks. So for now, a dedicated 23cm network is needed, until the
    regs change. :/ I'm considering using a SvxReflector for this, perhaps
    TG 1273 on a new server, given that repeater outputs tend to be around 1273 MHz. )

    Want real good retransmission? Pull me finger ;D ...then say "regulate that buddy!" LOL

    Haha, they kinda do hand out the licences, and then there's the self appointed cops who can cause grief. Don't need that. :/

    Here IDSL killed ISDN. I was hired at one ISP to help migrate their
    ISDN customers to IDSL. It was pretty much the same darn thing except
    that the protocol overhead used for IDSN was reallocated for data
    segments giving it a very slightly faster speed.

    Hmm, OK.


    ... The past should be a mental springboard - not a hammock.
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Vk3jed on Sat May 22 19:56:00 2021
    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Gotta setup my 23cm repeater first. That's a "slow burn" project. :)

    I wish I knew how to gate SMTP mail to FDN and vice versa. I could inject
    some good stuff in appropriate areas... such as replies from my URONode
    support mailman list.

    ---
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brian Rogers on Sun May 23 18:46:00 2021
    On 05-22-21 12:56, Brian Rogers wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CARNAGE
    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Gotta setup my 23cm repeater first. That's a "slow burn" project. :)

    I wish I knew how to gate SMTP mail to FDN and vice versa. I could
    inject some good stuff in appropriate areas... such as replies from my URONode support mailman list.

    If you run Synchronet, you can gate email to echomail. Handy, if you have a support mailing list. :) Or I can host it on VKRadio. I already carry a couple of gated lists there, and host a mailing list on that board as well. :)


    ... Help stamp out and abolish redundancy.
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Vk3jed on Sun May 23 15:49:00 2021
    Hey Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    If you run Synchronet, you can gate email to echomail. Handy, if you
    have a support mailing list. :) Or I can host it on VKRadio. I
    already carry a couple of gated lists there, and host a mailing list on that board as well. :)

    Yes I do run Synch... but first we need to get our binks to be happy but that does sound like a good possibility. Thanks for the offer!

    ... Dad, are we pyromaniacs? Yes, we arson.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Mon May 24 17:39:00 2021
    Brian,

    I had a guy set up a new system and send me a test msg. He's in Pennsylvania. He has an RF path to me. His "new server" is in Florida.
    His route to me went first to the netherlands, another hop within the netherlands, to south america, to the u.k. then finally over to me. I refuse to answer him. I didn't study to play amatuer WIRED internet!

    I originally was on RF, but in the last several years, I was constantly interfered with on the local repeaters, just because I made announcements
    about license exams.

    But, there was an instance one night, where there was a tornado threat
    in the region. The National Weather Service had contacted the head of
    Arkansas Skywarn, the local club's vice president. He called the club president, who called me on the twisted pair (landline), and asked me
    "Can you start 'The Weather Watch Net' until we can get folks out to the National Weather Service??". I said that I could, and as it turned out, I
    was to begin that net at the regular time of the club's traffic net.

    Well, one older ham (who is now a Silent Key...he went "bad senile"
    after his wife died), went ballistic. He demanded to know who made the decision to do the weather net instead of the club traffic net. I tried
    to reason with him, and he would have none of it. Thankfully, the club president was also on the repeater, and I said "Tell him!!". He did,
    but that made the guy even madder. Every time I got on the air after
    that, he (and others) would key up on top of me.

    Another ham had done me dirty years before regarding two local clubs
    having hamfests 3 weeks apart. I was a member of both clubs at the time,
    and also net control for their weekly nets. My philosophy was to mention
    both hamfests, because "someone may have to work one or both Saturdays...
    but wanted the info in case they could sweet talk the boss into letting
    them take the day off". Besides, without work (one of those 4 letter
    words (hi hi)), you don't have the money to get ham radio toys. There
    was a DC To Daylight Rig at Hamvention a few years ago for $20,000!!
    Now, I could outfit a nice shack for that (or even buy a nice pre-owned car)...but for one rig, that's overkill.

    Well, this individual called me on the landline, and cussed me to the
    point of tears. I hung up on him, bawling like I had just had news of a
    death in the family. I called a fellow ham, and told him "I'm bringing
    over my gear for you to sell, and my license for you to cut up...I'm
    quitting the hobby". When he increduously asked "WTH??", I replied "I'll
    tell you when I get there", and hung up.

    I drove over to this fellow ham's house (he and I were good friends),
    and dumped the stuff on his couch, and was about to head back out the
    door (he was running a weekly Swap Net). He said "You're going to tell
    me what happened before I let you go". When I told him, he exploded in
    rage.

    The next week, when the ham who had cussed me out on the phone, said
    to me on the air "you always do good", it was all I could do to keep
    from cussing him out in spades on the air. After that, I got off the
    air, and out of the hobby for 6 months...no nets, QSO's, meetings, nothing...and I almost didn't go back. I sent out word of my resigning
    as club member and net control as a result. That individual who cussed
    me out over the phone is now a Silent Key. I feel I will be vindicated
    on Judgment Day.

    I live now at what was my late parents home, but mainly operate
    "Internet Radio", as I can't have antennas set up, and my health
    won't let me work with it. I used to have an RF phone and packet
    station, but can't do that anymore.

    I also used to be part of 2 weather nets...but got into disputes
    on both of them with other Net Controls, and resigned both. On one,
    the argument was about "storm chasers". Now, the ones who don't brag
    and gloat about it ("I hope we see a ton of tornadoes") don't bother
    me...but this other minority "wishing for disaster", apparently does
    not believe in "Be Careful What You Ask For...You Might Get It". I
    feel that if The Good Lord had wanted us to know everything about
    severe weather, He would've told us.

    On another net, the Net Control was using "klunky software" to
    record the callsigns (D-Star, with quick key checkins)...but it
    was missing callsigns left and right. The woman's husband chewed
    me out, and I said "If I was trying to get in, and kept getting ignored...especially if I had emergency traffic...I would not be
    happy". When I was there, I was filling in as backup, when the
    regular net controls couldn't make it. Now, no one will do the
    job. Only a select few knew the truth of the matter, and I could
    have been a real butthole, and aired the dirty laundry out on
    the air, etc. When I told several hams the truth, they agreed
    that "they just lost a good net control operator".

    As a result, I got burned out on weather (which was what got
    me started in Ham Radio 30 years ago, with Skywarn)...so, my
    emphasis now is trains and railroading...especially in relation
    to railroad crossing safety.

    Then most recently, there's a repeater owner whose timeout
    timer is from 60 to 90 seconds. I thought the gentleman's
    agreement was to have it at 3 minutes. Now, while emergency
    situations can occur at any time around the clock, trying to
    get hams to cut their QSO's to 30 seconds on each exchange,
    is like trying to get hams to use UTC Time exclusively...it
    ain't gonna happen. So, I will no longer be associated with
    that net after this week.

    ... Definition of an upgrade: Take old bugs out; insert new bugs.

    Only Microsoft :) They call that "Job Security".

    On the second Tuesday, and whenever they feel like it. :P

    ... ISDN: It Still Does Nothing

    DMR: Doesn't Mean Radio. It's like the meme of the ham holding up
    a cardboard sign that notes "Not Homeless. Need Help With DMR" (hi hi).

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Mon May 24 17:39:00 2021
    Brian,

    Or you named it something else than what you thought it might be.

    Ahh found it! You're correct I named it something else. After all,
    what's in a name? <G>

    Sounds like something from William Shakespeare. <G> The best one I
    can think of along that line is with Elizabethan English (the language
    of Shakespeare, and the King James Version of the Holy Bible), with his
    play "Romeo and Juliet". In that day, and in Biblical times, the pit of
    the emotions wasn't the heart or the stomach, but the bowels. Indeed,
    when Romeo first saw Juliet, he said "I was filled with compassion, and
    my bowels were moved"...sounds like he saw a pretty girl, and it scared
    the crap out of him (literally!). Christian Comedian Mark Lowery asked
    that question about the pit of the emotions at a show with the Bill
    Gaither Vocal Band, and most didn't know it, but one person got it
    right. When Mark confirmed it was "the bowels", he quipped "You really
    move me, honey!!"...sounds like a crappy relationship to me. <G>

    I haven't had oatmeal in ages...I preferred the apples and cinnamon,
    but preferred it THICK.

    Mine as well.

    I have an OLD tea kettle, but don't use the gas stove here. I use the microwave oven, because I don't like to wait for my food...whether at
    home, or eating out.

    Remember...when the chips are down, the buffalo is empty. <G>

    I said that to the millenial when we went for top soil and a bag of manuer... he had NO clue what I said. Moral of the story: they can't
    think for themselves, and school can't teach that :\

    Or the tagline "Manure is from men...womanure is from women". :P

    Basically, a butt is a butt is a butt...but... <G>

    Another tagline noted a bumper sticker on a baby stroller:

    "Poo Poo Happens". :P

    Years ago at work, a fellow female employee (who had lost her first
    husband to colon cancer) said "[Poop] Happens", and I said "Feces Occurs".
    She looked at me with a puzzled look, until I "translated it", and she
    roared with laughter. She said "I'm going to tell my sister tonight!!".
    So, when she came in the next morning, I asked her "Did you tell your sister??". Grinning like the cheshire cat that just swallowed the canary,
    she said "Yep". I asked "Same reaction??", and she said "Yep". <G>

    ... Eat beans...America needs the gas.

    Only in the southeast!

    Or on the eastern seaboard. In Little Rock, gas prices have been
    around $2.80 for regular, $3.10 for mid-grade, and $3.40 for high
    test. Of course, depending on what part of town you're in, will
    also affect the price. But, to my knowledge, we haven't had any
    gas shortages or lines here. The Valero franchise allows their
    "loyalty customers" to get mid-grade gas for the price of regular
    on Monday (Holy Crap!! That's Today!!).

    ... Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, A

    Your tagline got obliterated by the Borg...but it could've been this...

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Mon May 24 17:40:00 2021
    Tony,

    We get insects all year round, especially flies and European wasps.

    If I knew they wouldn't sting or come after me, I wouldn't be so worried.
    One time, I was stung on the lip by a wasp that had crawled into my soda
    can at work. My lower lip swelled to the size of my upper and lower lips together. I went down to a local urgent care clinic, and they gave me a
    shot of demarol or something else in the hip/butt cheek (at least the
    female nurse was good looking <G>)...and they told me to go straight
    home, and have your parents call your boss...telling him you will be back
    in the morning. Five minutes after my head hit the pillow, I was OUT...but
    was fine the next day. Since it occurred at work, Workman's Compensation
    paid for it.

    Heat illness is easily prevented, and tornados are rare. :) Besides, tornados are actually more common in late winter/early spring, when the weather is cold!

    We've had the "cold air funnels", which can still do damage, and the
    "dust devils" which are loaded with sandspurs and other debris. In Arkansas, we're in the east end of Tornado Alley, and the west end of Dixie Alley; so,
    we get both...and most of ours occur after sunset and during the overnight hours.

    As for heat illness, I've come close to heat stroke several times.

    Ahh, OK. I'm just watching the tropicsl late autumn drizzle. :)

    They had Ana in the Atlantic northeast of Bermuda, and Andres in the
    eastern Pacific. Both were just a threat to shipping...but it's a reminder
    that it's that time of year. The National Hurricane Center WX4NHC Annual Station Test is Saturday, but weather here looks to be stormy much of the
    rest of this week.

    Now, I'll have that song in my head all day.

    Hahaha, well you know what to do. ;P

    It's like the meme, where this guy is in the hospital room, with his
    head all bandaged up. The doctor walks in with a glass jar full of music
    notes, and says "Good news, Mr. Smith!! We got rid of that tune that was
    stuck in your head". <G>

    ... "Junior!! Quit Playing With Your Floppy!!"

    ... How long do we have to practice sex before it's safe??

    I don't practice, I'm accomplished. :P

    ROTFL -- but in my case, it's "Ran Out To Find Lunch". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Daryl Stout on Tue May 25 04:11:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    I have an OLD tea kettle, but don't use the gas stove here. I
    use the microwave oven, because I don't like to wait for my
    food...whether at home, or eating out.

    Wait... so, you use the microwave for everything you eat?



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Gamgee on Tue May 25 21:20:00 2021
    I have an OLD tea kettle, but don't use the gas stove here. I
    use the microwave oven, because I don't like to wait for my
    food...whether at home, or eating out.

    Wait... so, you use the microwave for everything you eat?

    At home, yes. Or if it's bread and lunch meat, no cooking needed.
    Ever since I became caregiver for my Mom before her death almost 2
    years ago, I've cut myself down to one meal a day. Plus, I drink
    iced tea exclusively now...no more soft drinks.

    Daryl

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Tue May 25 22:49:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    [snip]

    I have an OLD tea kettle, but don't use the gas stove here. I use the microwave oven, because I don't like to wait for my food...whether at home, or eating out.

    Sometimes though, you can't replace that gas oven, although the pregnant
    woman with a methane issue would disagree <G>

    Basically, a butt is a butt is a butt...but... <G>

    True that.

    Another tagline noted a bumper sticker on a baby stroller:
    "Poo Poo Happens". :P

    LOL

    [snip]

    tell your sister??". Grinning like the cheshire cat that just swallowed the canary, she said "Yep". I asked "Same reaction??", and she said
    "Yep". <G>

    Birds of a feather sort of rule applies here <G>

    Or on the eastern seaboard. In Little Rock, gas prices have been
    around $2.80 for regular, $3.10 for mid-grade, and $3.40 for high
    test. Of course, depending on what part of town you're in, will
    also affect the price. But, to my knowledge, we haven't had any
    gas shortages or lines here. The Valero franchise allows their
    "loyalty customers" to get mid-grade gas for the price of regular
    on Monday (Holy Crap!! That's Today!!).

    Here our petrol is $3.25 regular and in some places as high as $4.00 for premium/high test. We haven't seen these prices since Obummer. Not surprised.

    Your tagline got obliterated by the Borg...but it could've been
    this...

    ... I'm Dyslexia of Borg. Prepare to have your @$$ laminated!!

    Ha! That was one I stole from the tagline bot <G> I guess bots aren't
    smarter after all lol

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Tue May 25 23:29:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    [snip]

    Oh I have an encyclopedia set of guys who've (tried) to do me dirty in the hobby and have either failed or ended up shooting themselves in the foot for false accusations and then later needed my assistance because certain things
    in packet only I know. Even the author of the software you seem to adore on your monday net is one of them! Mr. (un)wiseman once told me after I pointed out some security flaws of his software said that I should scrap ALL my ham projects and only use his. That's the spirit of the hobby? Really??
    I even brought some logs of his software to the league and asked if it fell within part 97. They didn't know so they forwarded it to the FCC who said "Absolutely NOT". You can NOT use an alias on the raw ax.25 part of ANY
    packet frame and his software does. Mine does not.

    "Chat" is not the packet standard, convers is. It runs on port 3600, always has. Someone however has been coding things to do a full packet take-over though. The actions are proof. That's just one such story. There's a ton
    more I could relay. I did however make the decision that when my license
    comes up for renewal in 3 years, that day will come and go without me
    renewing.

    DMR: Doesn't Mean Radio. It's like the meme of the ham holding up
    a cardboard sign that notes "Not Homeless. Need Help With DMR" (hi hi).

    Haha that's great! Now I have something to hit our local ARES with <G>


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Daryl Stout on Wed May 26 03:11:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I have an OLD tea kettle, but don't use the gas stove here. I
    use the microwave oven, because I don't like to wait for my
    food...whether at home, or eating out.

    Wait... so, you use the microwave for everything you eat?

    At home, yes. Or if it's bread and lunch meat, no cooking
    needed. Ever since I became caregiver for my Mom before her death
    almost 2 years ago, I've cut myself down to one meal a day. Plus,
    I drink iced tea exclusively now...no more soft drinks.

    Hmmmm.... Got to say that that doesn't sound like a very healthy way to live... Don't really understand your thinking on this - why only one
    meal a day?



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 27 07:31:00 2021
    Brian,

    Sometimes though, you can't replace that gas oven, although the
    pregnant woman with a methane issue would disagree <G>

    Not to mention the types of food you eat. :P

    Basically, a butt is a butt is a butt...but... <G>

    True that.

    Butt cheeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Hmmm...that'd
    make a good QWK Tagline. <G>

    Another tagline noted a bumper sticker on a baby stroller:
    "Poo Poo Happens". :P

    LOL

    The joys of parenting...potty training their kids. Or as Jeff
    Foxworthy noted, "The kids are going out of diapers, and the
    grandparents are going in them". <G>

    Here our petrol is $3.25 regular and in some places as high as $4.00
    for premium/high test. We haven't seen these prices since Obummer. Not surprised.

    I remember growing up when there were "gas wars" with prices between
    30 and 40 cents a gallon. My late father said "I don't know what we'll
    do if it hits 40 cents a gallon"...man, what we wouldn't give for those
    prices today!!

    ... I'm Dyslexia of Borg. Prepare to have your @$$ laminated!!

    Ha! That was one I stole from the tagline bot <G> I guess bots aren't smarter after all lol

    All I could think of was the Cheech And Chong Routine with taping up
    "the big brave (and hairy) motorcycle rider". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 27 07:35:00 2021
    Brian,

    Oh I have an encyclopedia set of guys who've (tried) to do me dirty in
    the hobby and have either failed or ended up shooting themselves in the foot for false accusations and then later needed my assistance because certain things in packet only I know. Even the author of the software
    you seem to adore on your monday net is one of them! Mr. (un)wiseman
    once told me after I pointed out some security flaws of his software
    said that I should scrap ALL my ham projects and only use his. That's
    the spirit of the hobby? Really?? I even brought some logs of his
    software to the league and asked if it fell within part 97. They didn't know so they forwarded it to the FCC who said "Absolutely NOT". You can NOT use an alias on the raw ax.25 part of ANY packet frame and his software does. Mine does not.

    I use the Outpost program for the BBS...he's just the Sysop. Someone
    else wrote Outpost (his name escapes me offhand). This Sysop did note
    that it has been 5 years since he took over PACNET from the former
    N0KFQ BBS. As for the other software I like, it could be Netlogger,
    CQ100, D-Rats, or Echolink.

    There's a ton more I could relay. I did however make the decision that when my license comes up for renewal in 3 years, that day will come and
    go without me renewing.

    When the FCC charge of $35 for a new, renewed, or upgraded license, or
    a callsign change takes effect, I'll bet a lot of folks won't renew, let
    alone enter the hobby.

    DMR: Doesn't Mean Radio. It's like the meme of the ham holding up
    a cardboard sign that notes "Not Homeless. Need Help With DMR" (hi hi).

    Haha that's great! Now I have something to hit our local ARES with <G>

    I've heard of a ton of folks having trouble with "code plugs", etc.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Gamgee on Thu May 27 07:36:00 2021
    Hmmmm.... Got to say that that doesn't sound like a very healthy way
    to live... Don't really understand your thinking on this - why only
    one meal a day?

    I just don't have the appetite. I got so busy with being my Mom's
    caregiver, that my body got used to it. I can eat a good lunch, and
    I'm not hungry the rest of the day.

    Daryl

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 27 16:11:15 2021
    Re: Re: Ham Radio Lids
    By: Daryl Stout to Brian Rogers on Thu May 27 2021 12:35 am

    When the FCC charge of $35 for a new, renewed, or upgraded license, or
    a callsign change takes effect, I'll bet a lot of folks won't renew, let alone enter the hobby.

    I'm really torn over the $35 fee. It's significant enough that it will drastically reduce the number of people that hop callsigns every few weeks just to get a lower CW weight so they can squeeze an extra 10 seconds out of a QSO in a contest, but it, along with a $5-$10 VE fee, costs more than a cheap $30 Baofeng HT, which is many new ham's first radio (it was mine!).


    DMR: Doesn't Mean Radio. It's like the meme of the ham holding up
    a cardboard sign that notes "Not Homeless. Need Help With DMR" (hi
    hi).

    I've heard of a ton of folks having trouble with "code plugs", etc.


    I bought a Yaesu FT-3DR a month ago, and built a pi-star hotspot so I didn't tie up our one local Fusion repeater as it gets a lot of analog use, too.

    I've read dozens of web pages and documents on Wires-X, C4FM, DMR, D-Star, NXDN and P25. I've watched countless hours of youtube videos on them too.

    I still don't get it.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 27 15:58:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Not to mention the types of food you eat. :P

    Stay away from things with sulfer in them such as beans, broccoli, etc.
    In my case add anything with dairy <G>

    Butt cheeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Hmmm...that'd
    make a good QWK Tagline. <G>

    Ummmmm.... are you the guy who got a tatoo of a W on each cheek so when
    you do a headstand it spells 'MOM'? <G>

    The joys of parenting...potty training their kids. Or as Jeff
    Foxworthy noted, "The kids are going out of diapers, and the
    grandparents are going in them". <G>

    Unless you're in the city streets especially San Fran. Then it's let loose
    at will.

    I remember growing up when there were "gas wars" with prices between
    30 and 40 cents a gallon. My late father said "I don't know what we'll
    do if it hits 40 cents a gallon"...man, what we wouldn't give for those prices today!!

    That took me back to the early 70's...


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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Thu May 27 16:06:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    I use the Outpost program for the BBS...he's just the Sysop. Someone else wrote Outpost (his name escapes me offhand). This Sysop did note
    that it has been 5 years since he took over PACNET from the former
    N0KFQ BBS. As for the other software I like, it could be Netlogger,
    CQ100, D-Rats, or Echolink.

    I've had a group of people ask for Outpost to be compatible with my
    axMail-FAX. I supplied him data he needed and never heard back. It's a shame.

    When the FCC charge of $35 for a new, renewed, or upgraded license,
    or a callsign change takes effect, I'll bet a lot of folks won't renew, let alone enter the hobby.

    Count me in that group.

    DMR: Doesn't Mean Radio. It's like the meme of the ham holding up
    a cardboard sign that notes "Not Homeless. Need Help With DMR" (hi hi).

    I've heard of a ton of folks having trouble with "code plugs", etc.

    Considering the average age of a ham is 70, they also have issues with hair plugs too <G>

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to DaiTengu on Thu May 27 19:57:00 2021
    I'm really torn over the $35 fee. It's significant enough that it will drastically reduce the number of people that hop callsigns every few
    weeks just to get a lower CW weight so they can squeeze an extra 10 seconds out of a QSO in a contest, but it, along with a $5-$10 VE fee, costs more than a cheap $30 Baofeng HT, which is many new ham's first radio (it was mine!).

    Most hams are "frugal cheapskates". Yet, I've seen many of these hams
    at the big hamfests (Hamvention, Hamcation, Huntsville, etc.) lay down
    a $100 bill (sometimes more than one) for a brick of 250 tickets (that's
    what it was at Huntsville a few years ago), like it was nothing. But,
    they will throw a fit over the $35 fee. To me, that makes as much sense
    as tits on a boar hog.

    With the price of gear...to me, it's "you get what you pay for". It
    can be a Baofeng HT for under $50, or a "DC To Daylight Rig" for over
    $20,000 (to me, that's overkill)...and the latter was the case at
    Hamvention a few years ago.

    With the callsign deal, a lot of these Extra Class hams were working
    to snatch up the 2x1 and 1x2 calls so "only the 20 wpm Extras would be
    able to get them"...and not the "No Code Extras". Since the FCC dropped
    the CW requirement, people are learning CW because they want to, and
    NOT because they have to. Vibroplex (who makes keys) had their phones
    ringing off the wall 2 weeks either side of the dropping of the CW
    requirment back in late February, 2007. While this is my 4th callsign
    since I've been licensed (I had 1 sequential, and 3 vanity), I've also
    been licensed 30 years.

    I've read dozens of web pages and documents on Wires-X, C4FM, DMR,
    D-Star, NXDN and P25. I've watched countless hours of youtube videos on them too.

    I still don't get it.

    That's why I did a PDF file on setting up Netlogger for using it with
    nets (but not with contesting). I've been doing nets since I first got licensed, but contesting never did appeal to me. But, so many of these
    program authors can't comprehend that not everyone is as technically
    savvy as they are...no matter the hobby or subject.

    Daryl, WX4QZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 27 20:00:00 2021
    Brian,

    Stay away from things with sulfer in them such as beans, broccoli, etc.
    In my case add anything with dairy <G>

    Sounds like the routine the barbershop quartet "Lunch Break" did with
    their performance at Carnegie Hall (search YouTube for that)...one of
    the critters on "Old MacDonald's Deformed Farm" is "a lactose intolerant
    cow". <G>

    Butt cheeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Hmmm...that'd
    make a good QWK Tagline. <G>

    Ummmmm.... are you the guy who got a tatoo of a W on each cheek so when you do a headstand it spells 'MOM'? <G>

    Cute. I got an ascii email once, where you got "email mooned". <G> I've
    got it on the BBS computer. Seriously, I don't have any tattoos on me...I
    have more important things to spend my money on.

    Unless you're in the city streets especially San Fran. Then it's let
    loose at will.

    It's not just San Francisco anymore...in many areas, the homeless folks relieve themselves whenever and wherever nature calls.

    That took me back to the early 70's...

    It was the late 60's for me.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Thu May 27 20:03:00 2021
    Brian,

    I've had a group of people ask for Outpost to be compatible with my axMail-FAX. I supplied him data he needed and never heard back. It's a shame.

    I had an issue one time, and it took quite awhile to get a reply back.

    Count me in that group.

    I've got a feeling when they announce the date of the fee, you'll see
    a whole bunch of hams going for changed callsigns, and a fresh license
    term.

    Considering the average age of a ham is 70, they also have issues with hair plugs too <G>

    And, some may have problems with curlers. <G>

    Noah's Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by professionals

    It was comical when a mock-up replica of the Titanic in Branson
    was closed due to "high water issues". :P

    Daryl

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Fri May 28 01:26:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    Sounds like the routine the barbershop quartet "Lunch Break" did with their performance at Carnegie Hall (search YouTube for that)...one of
    the critters on "Old MacDonald's Deformed Farm" is "a lactose
    intolerant cow". <G>

    Ahh yes... almost forgot about that one.

    Butt cheeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Hmmm...that'd
    make a good QWK Tagline. <G>

    True!

    Cute. I got an ascii email once, where you got "email mooned". <G>
    I've got it on the BBS computer. Seriously, I don't have any tattoos on me...I have more important things to spend my money on.

    I don't have any either.

    It's not just San Francisco anymore...in many areas, the homeless
    folks relieve themselves whenever and wherever nature calls.

    Very true.. and quite sad.

    It was the late 60's for me.

    Late 60s / early 70s... tie dye, hippies, wear a flower in your hair <G>

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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to Daryl Stout on Fri May 28 01:30:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    I had an issue one time, and it took quite awhile to get a reply
    back.

    This was years ago.... after a volume of contacts to get even an acknowledgement on my query. I gave up.

    I've got a feeling when they announce the date of the fee, you'll see
    a whole bunch of hams going for changed callsigns, and a fresh license term.

    Or they're going to let their licenses expire.

    And, some may have problems with curlers. <G>

    ha!

    It was comical when a mock-up replica of the Titanic in Branson
    was closed due to "high water issues". :P

    Sounds like they were just all wet. <G>

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Fri May 28 19:29:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Hi, Brian...

    Sounds like the routine the barbershop quartet "Lunch Break" did with their performance at Carnegie Hall (search YouTube for that)...one of
    the critters on "Old MacDonald's Deformed Farm" is "a lactose
    intolerant cow". <G>

    Ahh yes... almost forgot about that one.

    They have some new ones now...my favorite is "the enlarged prostate
    race horse"...with a neigh neigh here, and a neigh neigh there. Here a...

    (to the tune of "The Lone Ranger" Theme)

    "Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now!! Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go
    right now!! Gotta go, goota go, gotta go right now!! Gotta go!! Gotta go
    right now!!"...and they then squeeze their legs together. <BG>

    Butt cheeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Hmmm...that'd
    make a good QWK Tagline. <G>

    True!

    Kind of hard to do a graphic of that on just one line, though. :P

    Cute. I got an ascii email once, where you got "email mooned". <G>
    I've got it on the BBS computer. Seriously, I don't have any tattoos on me...I have more important things to spend my money on.

    I don't have any either.

    A fellow ham of mine asked his bride to be if she had any tattoos, and
    she replied "No. Go Fish". <G>

    It's not just San Francisco anymore...in many areas, the homeless
    folks relieve themselves whenever and wherever nature calls.

    Very true.. and quite sad.

    Not to mention the health hazard...and you thought walking through a
    cow pasture was bad.

    It was the late 60's for me.

    Late 60s / early 70s... tie dye, hippies, wear a flower in your hair


    You bet your sweet bippy. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Brian Rogers on Fri May 28 19:34:00 2021
    Hello Daryl;

    Hi, Brian...

    This was years ago.... after a volume of contacts to get even an acknowledgement on my query. I gave up.

    You wonder if they're still around. In Canada, their license term is 125 years from their birth date...basically a lifetime license.

    The problem is, you don't know if they're a Silent Key or not, unless the family notifies the RAC (Canada's equivalent to the FCC, I think). Until
    they do, the callsign is "tied up".

    I've got a feeling when they announce the date of the fee, you'll see
    a whole bunch of hams going for changed callsigns, and a fresh license term.

    Or they're going to let their licenses expire.

    I'll still renew...unless World War III has wiped us all out by then.

    And, some may have problems with curlers. <G>

    ha!

    Now, I'm thinking of the bloopers from "Hollywood Squares", especially
    by the late Paul Lynde. <BG>

    It was comical when a mock-up replica of the Titanic in Branson
    was closed due to "high water issues". :P

    Sounds like they were just all wet. <G>

    I think they had several rounds of heavy rain and flooding. We had
    severe weather and flooding in the region last night (lots of close
    lightning strikes here), so I was offline overnight. Then, Microsoft
    had several updates for Windows 10 this morning, and I had to get that
    done. When I saw "cleaning up # percent complete", I thought "With my
    luck, my data is getting zapped". :P

    Daryl

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