The IPTIA Telnet BBS Resource Site suffered a catastrophic event
where multiple hard drives failed.

User edits and password assignments made between 12/15/2025 and
10/15/2026 may have been lost.

Please review and edit your sites as needed.

New passwords will be assigned by email request.

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Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.DOVE-Net_Sysops on Tue Oct 20 2026 23:05:19

The IPTIA Telnet BBS Resource Site suffered a catastrophic event
where multiple hard drives failed.

User edits and password assignments made between 12/15/2025 and
10/15/2026 may have been lost.

Just restore from your daily backup and you'll be fine. Every sysop backs up their system daily, right?

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Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: nelgin to dragon on Sat Oct 24 2026 05:19 am

Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.DOVE-Net_Sysops on Tue Oct 20 2026 23:05:19

The IPTIA Telnet BBS Resource Site suffered a catastrophic
event where multiple hard drives failed.

User edits and password assignments made between 12/15/2025
and 10/15/2026 may have been lost.

Just restore from your daily backup and you'll be fine. Every sysop
backs up their system daily, right?

Like phigan says, we all can't be mro.


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On Sat 2026/10/24 6:19, nelgin wrote:

Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.DOVE-Net_Sysops on Tue Oct 20 2026 23:05:19

> The IPTIA Telnet BBS Resource Site suffered a catastrophic event
> where multiple hard drives failed.
>
> User edits and password assignments made between 12/15/2025 and
> 10/15/2026 may have been lost.

Just restore from your daily backup and you'll be fine. Every sysop backs up their system daily, right?

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I didn't lose the BBS. I lost the database server that drives
everything, including the IPTIA website, AND the backup server.

My enterprise consumes almost a terabyte of disk space. Daily backups
are impractical.

I'm mostly back in business,

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dragon wrote to nelgin <=-

On Sat 2026/10/24 6:19, nelgin wrote:

Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.DOVE-Net_Sysops on Tue Oct 20 2026 23:05:19

> The IPTIA Telnet BBS Resource Site suffered a catastrophic event
> where multiple hard drives failed.
>
> User edits and password assignments made between 12/15/2025 and
> 10/15/2026 may have been lost.

Just restore from your daily backup and you'll be fine. Every sysop backs up

t

heir system daily, right?

I didn't lose the BBS. I lost the database server that drives
everything, including the IPTIA website, AND the backup server.

My enterprise consumes almost a terabyte of disk space. Daily backups
are impractical.

Ummmm.... incremental backups?



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Re: Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to nelgin on Sun Oct 25 2026 15:41:24

My enterprise consumes almost a terabyte of disk space. Daily backups
are impractical.

Yeah, I guess it depends how much you value your data. You can easily do a monthly, 4 weeky and 6 incrementals on a 12TB hard drive then. 1 TB is nothing these days. You would also assume that your enterprise has some sort of disk mirroring where you can split the mirrors to do a backup and then rejoin them afterwards. I guess it's easier to make excuses than to plan a well thought out DR plan. I will tell you, they're much harder to come up with after the fact.

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I'm mostly back in business,

Good to hear it! ;)


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On Mon 2026/10/26 4:38, nelgin wrote:

Re: Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to nelgin on Sun Oct 25 2026 15:41:24

> My enterprise consumes almost a terabyte of disk space. Daily backups
> are impractical.

Yeah, I guess it depends how much you value your data. You can easily do a monthly, 4 weeky and 6 incrementals on a 12TB hard drive then. 1 TB is nothing
these days. You would also assume that your enterprise has some sort of disk mirroring where you can split the mirrors to do a backup and then rejoin them afterwards. I guess it's easier to make excuses than to plan a well thought out DR plan. I will tell you, they're much harder to come up with after the fact.

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You seem to assumes I was running on one rickety old disk with no backups.

I am running a RAID 5 array with backups to another RAID 5 array. Both
got nuked. I had to pull my old VM server out of closet to get back to
last December. Then I had to rebuild as much of the last year's worth
of data as I could (most).

Incremental backups offsite still require comparing huge numbers of
files across the Internet. They also require giving strangers copies of
all of my stuff.

Could I have had a better backup setup? Of course. But I do appreciate
you condescendingly pointing out my errors.

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Re: Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to nelgin on Mon Oct 26 2026 17:52:02

You seem to assumes I was running on one rickety old disk with no backups.

I am running a RAID 5 array with backups to another RAID 5 array. Both
got nuked. I had to pull my old VM server out of closet to get back to
last December. Then I had to rebuild as much of the last year's worth
of data as I could (most).

How do you nuke 2 RAID 5s? Were they on the same system?

Incremental backups offsite still require comparing huge numbers of
files across the Internet. They also require giving strangers copies of
all of my stuff.

Yes, and no. You can always encrypt it. Many global corporations give their data to someone else to keep safe. Iron Mountain made a business out of keeping someone elses data and, it seems...ok well, I made my point...

Could I have had a better backup setup? Of course. But I do appreciate
you condescendingly pointing out my errors.

Sure, that's what I do.

Condescendingly yours,
Nelgin.

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Re: Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to nelgin on Mon Oct 26 2026 05:52 pm

backups.

I am running a RAID 5 array with backups to another RAID 5 array.
Both got nuked. I had to pull my old VM server out of closet to get
back to last December. Then I had to rebuild as much of the last
year's worth of data as I could (most).

Incremental backups offsite still require comparing huge numbers
of files across the Internet. They also require giving strangers
copies of all of my stuff.

Could I have had a better backup setup? Of course. But I do
appreciate you condescendingly pointing out my errors.

well you could just backup tables, right? that shouldnt take too much space and you can automate it. and you can encrypt your backups so when they are given to 'strangers', they can't access it.

i'm not picking on you but i'm just surprised.


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nelgin wrote to dragon <=-

their data to someone else to keep safe. Iron Mountain made a business
out of keeping someone elses data and, it seems...ok well, I made my point...

I worked for local government for a while. They could never get the
county board of supervisors to sign off on a data retention policy, so
they retained everything. For years. I managed an Iron Mountain account
with 9500 DLT tapes in storage.



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Re: Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: dragon to nelgin on Mon Oct 26 2026 05:52 pm

I am running a RAID 5 array with backups to another RAID 5 array. Both
got nuked. I had to pull my old VM server out of closet to get back to
last December. Then I had to rebuild as much of the last year's worth
of data as I could (most).

Incremental backups offsite still require comparing huge numbers of
files across the Internet. They also require giving strangers copies of
all of my stuff.

Could I have had a better backup setup? Of course. But I do appreciate
you condescendingly pointing out my errors.

I don't have anything to offere except that it was very relatable. I had an off-site NAS collocated at my former workplace for offsite backup. At some point I had to bring it home and had it next to the main NAS for lack of any other space anywhere else. I gambled and lost both of them within a short time and am still impacted from that loss. Decades of working in IT and I should have known and still took the chance... Best of luck moving forward!

Prowler

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Re: Re: IPTIA Lost Data
By: poindexter FORTRAN to nelgin on Tue Oct 27 2026 06:54:33

I worked for local government for a while. They could never get the
county board of supervisors to sign off on a data retention policy, so
they retained everything. For years. I managed an Iron Mountain account
with 9500 DLT tapes in storage.

Maybe they should have written their own. I bet that cost the taxpayer plenty.

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nelgin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

they retained everything. For years. I managed an Iron Mountain account
with 9500 DLT tapes in storage.

Maybe they should have written their own. I bet that cost the taxpayer plenty.

High-side, estimated around $60K a year.



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