• SlyEdit

    From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to All on Tue Feb 11 17:07:28 2020
    Is there a way to get either the ICE or DCT edits to have either the header chage color, or the To: field to change color of messages to you?

    I guess I'm getting old and blind, but I just seem to miss messages to me when I am scanning messages.

    Grease
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Grease on Tue Feb 11 16:31:43 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Grease to All on Tue Feb 11 2020 05:07 pm

    Is there a way to get either the ICE or DCT edits to have either the header chage color, or the To: field to change color of messages to you?

    When writing a message, the 'To' field has the name of the person you're writing to, which is usually someone else.. Do you often write messages to yourself?

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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 09:22:03 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Tue Feb 11 2020 04:31 pm

    When writing a message, the 'To' field has the name of the person you're writing to, which is usually someone else.. Do you often write messages to yourself?

    No, but when they reply, it does. I want replies to me highlighted.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Grease on Wed Feb 12 09:45:42 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 09:22 am

    When writing a message, the 'To' field has the name of the person
    you're writing to, which is usually someone else.. Do you often
    write messages to yourself?

    No, but when they reply, it does. I want replies to me highlighted.

    So I'm a little confused on where you want the highlight to show up.. When someone else is writing a message with SlyEdit, you're not going to see their session; the only time you'd see the "To" field is when you are writing a message, where the "To" field would specify the other person you're writing to.

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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 12:57:07 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Wed Feb 12 2020 09:45 am

    When using DDMR (Dig.Dist. Message Reader) and SlyEdit(DCT). When I am going through a message scan, I can hit right arrow or left arrow and it shows next or previous messages. As I go through the messages, I would like messages that are to me to be a different color.
    I go through the different echoes each day, starting where I left off the day before. I read or scan most all messages in the base.
    I want the ones that are addressed to me to be a different color, so it stands out.

    Grease
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Grease on Wed Feb 12 13:31:20 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 12:57 pm

    When using DDMR (Dig.Dist. Message Reader) and SlyEdit(DCT). When I am going through a message scan, I can hit right arrow or left arrow and it shows next or previous messages. As I go through the messages, I would like messages that are to me to be a different color. I go through the different echoes each day, starting where I left off the day before. I read or scan most all messages in the base. I want the ones that are addressed to me to be a different color, so it stands out.

    Ah, I see. That would be in my message reader then. SlyEdit would have nothing to do with that. I could probably add that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Grease on Wed Feb 12 13:32:06 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 12:57 pm

    When using DDMR (Dig.Dist. Message Reader) and SlyEdit(DCT). When I am going through a message scan, I can hit right arrow or left arrow and it shows next or previous messages. As I go through the messages, I would like messages that are to me to be a different color. I go through the different echoes each day, starting where I left off the day before. I read or scan most all messages in the base. I want the ones that are addressed to me to be a different color, so it stands out.

    When you're using the built-in generated header in my message reader, it could do that, but if you're using a custom ANSI message header, then it would likely not be able to do that.

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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 16:20:13 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Wed Feb 12 2020 01:31 pm

    Ah, I see. That would be in my message reader then. SlyEdit would have nothing to do with that. I could probably add that.

    Cool. That would be bitchin'. I don't use the list feature, I go message by message. But either would be nice.

    Grease
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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 16:21:17 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Wed Feb 12 2020 01:32 pm

    When you're using the built-in generated header in my message reader, it could do that, but if you're using a custom ANSI message header, then it would likely not be able to do that.

    Just using the defaults. Really like it.

    Grease
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Grease on Wed Feb 12 18:31:09 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 09:22:03


    When writing a message, the 'To' field has the name of the person
    you're writing to, which is usually someone else.. Do you often
    write messages to yourself?

    No, but when they reply, it does. I want replies to me highlighted.

    then you want the message reader to do that, not the editor as you gave examples of ;)


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 18:36:19 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Wed Feb 12 2020 13:32:06


    When you're using the built-in generated header in my message reader,
    it could do that, but if you're using a custom ANSI message header,
    then it would likely not be able to do that.

    it should be able to do that easily when it inserts the name into the field... just inject the color change with the name and then set it back immediately at the end of the name... of am i maybe thinking deeper in the code than where DDMR operates?


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Grease on Wed Feb 12 16:16:48 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:20 pm

    Cool. That would be bitchin'. I don't use the list feature, I go message by message. But either would be nice.

    My message reader does have a feature where in the list mode, it can show messages to you in a different color. To customize that, you can look in the color theme file for my lister (by default, DefaultTheme.cfg) and look for the configuration items with names starting with "msgListToUser". It should be already customized to show messages in the list to you in a different color/attribute (such as bright).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Wed Feb 12 16:18:35 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 2020 06:36 pm

    When you're using the built-in generated header in my message
    reader, it could do that, but if you're using a custom ANSI message
    header, then it would likely not be able to do that.

    it should be able to do that easily when it inserts the name into the field... just inject the color change with the name and then set it back immediately at the end of the name... of am i maybe thinking deeper in the code than where DDMR operates?

    Yes, actually, that's true..

    Nightfox

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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Wed Feb 12 21:58:53 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Wed Feb 12 2020 04:16 pm

    My message reader does have a feature where in the list mode, it can show messages to you in a different color. To customize that, you can look in the color theme file for my lister (by default, DefaultTheme.cfg) and look for the configuration items with names starting with "msgListToUser". It should be already customized to show messages in the list to you in a different color/attribute (such as bright).

    Okay, I'll look for it. I haven't been using list mode though. Thanks!

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  • From Will Milberger@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Feb 13 09:03:09 2020
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Wed Feb 12 2020 09:45 am

    So I'm a little confused on where you want the highlight to show up.. When someone else is writing a message with SlyEdit, you're not going to see their session; the only time you'd see the "To" field is when you are writing a message, where the "To" field would specify the other person you're writing to.

    When I am arrowing though the individual messages in the reader. I tap the right arrow to go to the next message. So sometimes I don't see who the message
    is to or from, I am just reading messages. I don't want to miss one to me, so if it is highlighted, or a different color, I won't miss it.
    Sorry if I am unclear.

    Grease
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Grease on Thu Feb 20 18:10:18 2020
    On 2/12/20 11:57 AM, Grease wrote:
    When using DDMR (Dig.Dist. Message Reader) and SlyEdit(DCT). When I am going through a message scan, I can hit right arrow or left arrow and it shows next or previous messages. As I go through the messages, I would like messages that are to me to be a different color.
    I go through the different echoes each day, starting where I left off the day before. I read or scan most all messages in the base.
    I want the ones that are addressed to me to be a different color, so it stands out.

    You'd need a custom message header for that. There's a lot of
    functionality supported now, but it's not the DCT/SlyEdit that does the reading headers.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 18:14:56 2020
    On 2/12/20 2:31 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Ah, I see. That would be in my message reader then. SlyEdit would have nothing to do with that. I could probably add that.

    Man, didn't even realize this was a thing... is this in CVS, is the one
    on your site the latest?

    http://digitaldistortionbbs.com/DigDistBBSStuff/DigDistBBSStuff.html

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thu Feb 20 21:25:13 2020
    Re: Re: SlyEdit
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2020 06:14 pm

    Ah, I see. That would be in my message reader then. SlyEdit would
    have nothing to do with that. I could probably add that.

    Man, didn't even realize this was a thing... is this in CVS, is the one on your site the latest?

    http://digitaldistortionbbs.com/DigDistBBSStuff/DigDistBBSStuff.html

    Yes, it's the latest, and both the one on my site and in CVS are the same. I always try to keep the CVS in sync with the version I have for download on my BBS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thu Feb 20 21:43:41 2020
    Re: Re: SlyEdit
    By: Tracker1 to Grease on Thu Feb 20 2020 06:10 pm

    When using DDMR (Dig.Dist. Message Reader) and SlyEdit(DCT). When I am
    going through a message scan, I can hit right arrow or left arrow and
    it shows next or previous messages. As I go through the messages, I
    would like messages that are to me to be a different color. I go
    through the different echoes each day, starting where I left off the
    day before. I read or scan most all messages in the base. I want the
    ones that are addressed to me to be a different color, so it stands
    out.

    You'd need a custom message header for that. There's a lot of functionality supported now, but it's not the DCT/SlyEdit that does the reading headers.

    The functionality he's asking for actually does not exist yet in my reader. I've started working on it but I'm trying to work out an issue highlighting the 'To' name in the case where a custom ANSI header is being used.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPTEST to Nightfox on Mon Nov 24 13:01:26 2025
    Re: IceEdit
    By: Mike Powell to Nightfox on Mon Nov 24 2025 13:00:37

    Yeah, ok in DCT mode it also does not work.
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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPTEST to Nightfox on Mon Nov 24 13:06:53 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Mike Powell to Nightfox on Mon Nov 24 2025 13:01:26

    Re: IceEdit
    By: Mike Powell to Nightfox on Mon Nov 24 2025 13:00:37

    Yeah, ok in DCT mode it also does not work.

    P.S. Yes, I did install the most recent copy fresh from the synchronet website.
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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPTEST to NIGHTFOX on Tue Nov 25 10:10:58 2025
    Quoting works the same in ICE and DCT mode.

    What do you mean by "does not show any quoted text"? You're pressing Ctrl-Q (or using the /Q command) but the quote window is not coming up?

    So quoting a message doesn't work like it does for the other in/external editors, i.e. the text shows up when the editor opens? I didn't try any commands because it would not have crossed my mind to do so.

    OK, that does work, just not like I would have expected. Thanks.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 25 12:53:56 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Mike Powell to NIGHTFOX on Tue Nov 25 2025 10:10 am

    What do you mean by "does not show any quoted text"? You're pressing
    Ctrl-Q (or using the /Q command) but the quote window is not coming up?

    So quoting a message doesn't work like it does for the other in/external editors, i.e. the text shows up when the editor opens? I didn't try any commands because it would not have crossed my mind to do so.

    OK, that does work, just not like I would have expected. Thanks.

    Correct, SlyEdit doesn't automatically show text for quoting on startup. Quoting in SlyEdit works the same way as in IceEdit and DCT Edit, which SlyEdit is based on.

    Is there something in the documentation or help screens that you think could be improved to explain things? This is the 2nd thing you have mentioned lately that seemed unexpected (the other being the DDMsgReader posting issue, that it doesn't include an editor). If you have any suggestions for improving the documentation, please let me know.

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 25 17:22:02 2025
    Hey Mike!

    On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 10:10:58 -0500, you wrote:

    So quoting a message doesn't work like it does for the other in/external editors, i.e. the text shows up when the editor opens? I didn't try any commands because it would not have crossed my mind to do so.

    I understand how the other external editors do it, especially if you're referring to Synchronet's msgeditor, and JSEditor. However, Slyedit is a javascript clone of the original IceEdit and DCTEdit external editors. Those work exactly like this.

    OK, that does work, just not like I would have expected. Thanks.

    I would rather select the text to quote manually so I can select exactly the quoted text I'm replying to, than have the entire thread quoted on startup and have to delete/remove a bunch of text that I'm not replying to. Especially when messages can become very long quoted messages with single line replies (I would just want to quote the single line). This is why I appreciate how SlyEdit quotes, and don't use the other ones.

    Of course, it's all preference. Use whatever you like best!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Tue Nov 25 16:07:46 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 25 2025 05:22 pm

    referring to Synchronet's msgeditor, and JSEditor.

    By "JSEditor", do you mean fseditor, or is JSEditor another editor I wasn't aware of?

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  • From Nick Boel@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Nov 25 18:27:04 2025
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 16:07:46 -0800, you wrote:

    By "JSEditor", do you mean fseditor, or is JSEditor another editor I
    wasn't aware of?

    Most likely. I actually questioned that myself when I wrote it, but I figured it was a FSE written in JS, so I went with the mash-up.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Accession on Wed Nov 26 06:11:14 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 25 2025 05:22 pm

    quoted text I'm replying to, than have the entire thread quoted on startup a have to delete/remove a bunch of text that I'm not replying to. Especially w

    YES! Because almost nobody does that! They just leave the whole damn thing!

    You may already know this about Level 29.. It also just puts the entire message as a quote when replying, but it doesn't let you save/post the message if the text-to-quote ratio isn't high enough :). A lot of people probably don't like that idea, though.

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to phigan on Wed Nov 26 10:24:58 2025
    Hey phigan!

    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 06:11:14 -0700, you wrote:

    YES! Because almost nobody does that! They just leave the whole damn
    thing!

    Even when using something like an NNTP client that does quote the entire message, I still go through it and remove everything that doesn't have to do with that I'm replying to.

    You may already know this about Level 29.. It also just puts the entire message as a quote when replying, but it doesn't let you save/post the message if the text-to-quote ratio isn't high enough :). A lot of people probably don't like that idea, though.

    I'm not sure what "Level 29" is. I tried DDG, but it came up as a restaurant. ;)

    I would be on board with the idea, but a lot of message probably wouldn't get posted if that were in effect.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Wed Nov 26 09:06:25 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nightfox to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 25 2025 12:53:56

    Correct, SlyEdit doesn't automatically show text for quoting on startup. Qu

    Is there something in the documentation or help screens that you think could editor). If you have any suggestions for improving the documentation, pleas

    No I am pretty certain it is just me, who is not used to using add-ons like external editors. I suspect your documentation is fine for folks who have more of a clue. ;)
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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nick Boel on Wed Nov 26 09:11:06 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Nick Boel to Nightfox on Tue Nov 25 2025 18:27:04

    By "JSEditor", do you mean fseditor, or is JSEditor another editor I wasn't aware of?

    Most likely. I actually questioned that myself when I wrote it, but I figure

    I was actuallly hoping maybe you didn't mean FSEditor. I tried it and it really doesn't work too good. When the screen came up, the cursor was in the top window but attempting to type anything seemed to manipulate what was in the bottom window (i.e. the quoted text)... but the "manipulation" did not include any of the keys that were being pressed.

    Luckily, CTRL-Q was the one keypress combo I tried that *did* work. ;)

    I am using NANO now for myself as it seems to do what I want. The users will be stuck with the internal editor.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 26 11:25:05 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Mike Powell to Nick Boel on Wed Nov 26 2025 09:11 am

    I was actuallly hoping maybe you didn't mean FSEditor. I tried it and it really doesn't work too good. When the screen came up, the cursor was in the top window but attempting to type anything seemed to manipulate what was in the bottom window (i.e. the quoted text)... but the "manipulation" did not include any of the keys that were being pressed.

    Luckily, CTRL-Q was the one keypress combo I tried that *did* work. ;)

    Ctrl-Q does different things in FSEditor and SlyEdit.. Ctrl-Q quits (aborts) in FSEditor, while Ctrl-Q toggles the quote window in SlyEdit.

    I am using NANO now for myself as it seems to do what I want. The users will be stuck with the internal editor.

    Why will the users be stuck with the internal editor? Why not make Nano and other editors availeble for any users to use? I think it's good to let users have a choice of their preference of message editor.

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 26 17:59:38 2025
    Hey Mike!

    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 09:11:06 -0500, you wrote:

    I am using NANO now for myself as it seems to do what I want. The users will be stuck with the internal editor.

    Not sure how you run nano, but feel free to try uncommenting these options in .nanorc and let me know what you think (while leaving the rest commented):

    set atblanks - wraps while preserving word boundaries
    set constantshow - shows cursor position
    set softwrap - utilize your entire screen width when writing
    somewhat of a format=flowed option.

    Seems to make BBS/FTN messaging look nice on my end, anyway. You could even go so far as do some syntax highlighting to make quoted text, tear/origin lines different colors from the regular text.

    While I think vi(m) is a great editor for programming, I think nano is /much/ better suited for this hobby specifically, as far as writing and replying to text messages goes. Then again, I prefer nano over vi(m) any time, so that's probably a pretty biased opinion. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Wed Nov 26 17:10:53 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 26 2025 05:59 pm

    While I think vi(m) is a great editor for programming, I think nano is /much/ better suited for this hobby specifically, as far as writing and replying to text messages goes. Then again, I prefer nano over vi(m) any time, so that's probably a pretty biased opinion. ;)

    When I'm on Linux, I do like vim for programming (I got used to it at one of the jobs I had), though I don't think vi or vim would be suitable as a message editor. I feel like it's a "right tool for the job" type of thing.

    That said, lately I've used vim less for programming on Linux these days, in favor of things like Visual Studio Code & such. However if I'm not using a GUI (just a text terminal), then I'll use vim out of habit.

    Nightfox

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Accession on Fri Nov 28 00:10:05 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to phigan on Wed Nov 26 2025 10:24 am

    I'm not sure what "Level 29" is. I tried DDG, but it came up as a restaurant

    It's a BBS that a guy runs off the ROM chip on a network card. It's at bbs.fozztexx.com port 6502. It's written to work at any text resolution (even something totally odd like 27x13 or something). The sysop connects into it from old computers that just have a printer as the output/display.

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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ACCESSION on Sat Nov 29 17:47:13 2025
    While I think vi(m) is a great editor for programming, I think nano is /much/ better suited for this hobby specifically, as far as writing and replying to text messages goes. Then again, I prefer nano over vi(m) any time, so that's probably a pretty biased opinion. ;)

    I have monkeyed around with vi(m) a time or two and, as a result, I am also very biased towards nano. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PHIGAN on Sat Nov 29 17:47:13 2025
    quoted text I'm replying to, than have the entire thread quoted on startup have to delete/remove a bunch of text that I'm not replying to. Especially

    YES! Because almost nobody does that! They just leave the whole damn thing!

    I am guessing they never used a QWK reader. I do and have never quoted the whole damn thing just to respond to one or two lines of it.

    The only time I would do that would be if I was forced to use an editor
    that was not intuitive and/or had no menu system that pretty much forced me
    to stick with everything quoted.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 30 09:42:26 2025
    Hey Mike!

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 17:47:12 -0500, you wrote:

    I have monkeyed around with vi(m) a time or two and, as a result, I am
    also very biased towards nano. ;)

    It doesn't matter how many times I've used vi(m), I will /always/ think that I'm in edit mode right when I open it. Just a natural reaction, or something, but I start arrowing around and try to type something, just to have it yell at me and realize that I have to get out of read/command mode.

    .. and I know you can launch vim in "easy" mode (-y), but I never remember to do that and that's completely besides the point, because at that point you may as well just use nano. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Mojo@VERT/OVERFIT to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 30 12:26:19 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Mike Powell to ACCESSION on Sat Nov 29 2025 17:47:13

    I have monkeyed around with vi(m) a time or two and, as a result, I am also very biased towards nano. ;)

    This made me cackle. I keep trying the neovim version of vim and vim itself, and would truly like to become proficient in it, but always find solace in nanolicking my wounds.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mojo on Sun Nov 30 13:44:07 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Mojo to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 30 2025 12:26 pm

    I have monkeyed around with vi(m) a time or two and, as a result, I am also
    very biased towards nano. ;)

    This made me cackle. I keep trying the neovim version of vim and vim itself, and would truly like to become proficient in it, but always find solace in nanolicking my wounds.

    This might sound like a cliche, but I think practice definitely helps a lot. At one of my past jobs, I got used to using vim and was comfortable enough that I preferred it in certain scenarios. I even had some syntax color schemes set up for Vim for a few different programming languages.. I got so used to vim that sometimes when starting a different editor, I'd press i out of habit to go into insert/edit mode, even though I didn't need to. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Sun Nov 30 20:11:53 2025
    Accession wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I have monkeyed around with vi(m) a time or two and, as a result, I am
    also very biased towards nano. ;)

    It doesn't matter how many times I've used vi(m), I will /always/ think that I'm in edit mode right when I open it. Just a natural reaction, or something, but I start arrowing around and try to type something, just
    to have it yell at me and realize that I have to get out of
    read/command mode.

    Same here.

    .. and I know you can launch vim in "easy" mode (-y), but I never
    remember to do that and that's completely besides the point, because at that point you may as well just use nano. ;)

    Hahaha, yep. I use nano for nearly every text-editing task (including
    writing this message from within MultiMail). The one
    use I still have for vim is that it can deal with "Ctrl-A" codes in a
    SBBS file. In case it wasn't widely known, you can add a Ctrl-A code in
    vim by first doing "Ctrl-V", then "Ctrl-A", then the actual color code
    or whatever. I don't know another "plain" text editor that does that.
    Very useful to me every now and then.



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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Gamgee on Sun Nov 30 21:55:32 2025
    Hey Gamgee!

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 20:11:52 -0600, you wrote:

    Hahaha, yep. I use nano for nearly every text-editing task
    (including writing this message from within MultiMail). The one use
    I still have for vim is that it can deal with "Ctrl-A" codes in a
    SBBS file. In case it wasn't widely known, you can add a Ctrl-A code
    in vim by first doing "Ctrl-V", then "Ctrl-A", then the actual color
    code or whatever. I don't know another "plain" text editor that does
    that. Very useful to me every now and then.

    I just tested this and it works. You have to be in insert mode, so hit "i" first.

    Thanks for that tidbit. That can definitely come in handy! I think I've just used nano by cutting an entire line with the CTRL-A codes on them (using CTRL-K), pasting it again (and again, if needbe, using CTRL-U) so I have a bunch I can change the color codes on. This would definitely make things easier, though. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Mon Dec 1 14:13:19 2025
    Accession wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Hahaha, yep. I use nano for nearly every text-editing task
    (including writing this message from within MultiMail). The one use
    I still have for vim is that it can deal with "Ctrl-A" codes in a
    SBBS file. In case it wasn't widely known, you can add a Ctrl-A code
    in vim by first doing "Ctrl-V", then "Ctrl-A", then the actual color
    code or whatever. I don't know another "plain" text editor that does
    that. Very useful to me every now and then.

    I just tested this and it works. You have to be in insert mode, so hit
    "i" first.

    Yep.

    Thanks for that tidbit. That can definitely come in handy! I think I've just used nano by cutting an entire line with the CTRL-A codes on them (using CTRL-K), pasting it again (and again, if needbe, using CTRL-U)
    so I have a bunch I can change the color codes on. This would
    definitely make things easier, though. ;)

    Yes, it is very handy for a quick/minor edit to a menu file, or a logon display file, or similar. Certainly much easier than using an ANSI
    editor and then the ans2asc utility, unless it's a major change or a new
    file perhaps.




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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Mike Powell on Tue Dec 2 03:57:13 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Mike Powell to ACCESSION on Sat Nov 29 2025 05:47 pm

    I have monkeyed around with vi(m) a time or two and, as a result, I am also

    I'm a firm believer that if you use vi enough, you will eventually be unable to live without it.

    vi... probably as good as beer (which is great) and probably as cool as ninjas (which are totally sweet).

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Accession on Tue Dec 2 04:05:04 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 30 2025 09:42 am

    It doesn't matter how many times I've used vi(m), I will /always/ think that I'm in edit mode right when I open it. Just a natural reaction, or something

    I may have told this story before, but I'm very much used to not always being in edit mode. Often I will find myself trying to "arrow" around with h, j, k, and l in things like Notepad. Well, one time I was typing a super long email in Outlook (at work vs personal email where I use vi)... At the end, in order to save and send the email, I out of habit hit ESC (which brings up an "Are you sure you want to discard this message?" pop up window with Yes being the default button), type :wq (which does nothing, because the pop up window is expecting a click, or y/n, etc), then enter (which presses the default Yes button).

    Why can't Outlook have a 'vi mode'? :/ I think everything should.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to phigan on Tue Dec 2 07:13:44 2025
    phigan wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I'm a firm believer that if you use vi enough, you will eventually be unable to live without it.

    I still can't get the hang of VM for email use or writing formatted
    text, but vi is still my goto for config files.



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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to phigan on Tue Dec 2 17:49:52 2025
    Hey phigan!

    On Tue, 02 Dec 2025 04:05:04 -0700, you wrote:

    I may have told this story before, but I'm very much used to not always being in edit mode. Often I will find myself trying to "arrow" around
    with h, j, k, and l in things like Notepad. Well, one time I was typing

    That's something that would take me forever to get used to, as well. Those letters are all side by side. At the very least, they could have used the gaming keys (w, a, s, d), but alas. I like using the actual arrow keys these days. :)

    Why can't Outlook have a 'vi mode'? :/ I think everything should.

    I can't bring myself to agree with you, there. It seems most other software on both Windows and Linux has moved on to using ALT- and CTRL- hotkeys (possibly even Outlook), which is much more what I'm used to.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Tue Dec 2 17:16:11 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to phigan on Tue Dec 02 2025 05:49 pm

    Why can't Outlook have a 'vi mode'? :/ I think everything should.

    I can't bring myself to agree with you, there. It seems most other software on both Windows and Linux has moved on to using ALT- and CTRL- hotkeys (possibly even Outlook), which is much more what I'm used to.

    I've seen a Vi/Vim editor plug-in for Microsoft Visual Studio, and there's a Vim for Windows. Although I'm used to using Vim on Linux, I tend to not use Vim on Windows, as it just doesn't feel natural in Windows.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Accession on Thu Dec 4 07:01:26 2025
    Accession wrote to phigan <=-

    I may have told this story before, but I'm very much used to not always being in edit mode. Often I will find myself trying to "arrow" around
    with h, j, k, and l in things like Notepad. Well, one time I was typing

    That's something that would take me forever to get used to, as well.
    Those letters are all side by side. At the very least, they could have used the gaming keys (w, a, s, d), but alas. I like using the actual
    arrow keys these days. :)

    That was Bill Joy's personal preference. He's said that vi wasn't
    intended for public consumption - if he knew it was going to be
    released, he would have spent more time polishing it!



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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Accession on Fri Dec 5 18:13:52 2025
    Re: SlyEdit
    By: Accession to phigan on Tue Dec 02 2025 05:49 pm

    I can't bring myself to agree with you, there. It seems most other software both Windows and Linux has moved on to using ALT- and CTRL- hotkeys (possibl

    That's because keyboards have so many more keys and characters these days! ;)

    Na, but what could it hurt to just have the option, ya know?

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to phigan on Fri Dec 5 19:44:55 2025
    Hey phigan!

    On Fri, Dec 05 2025 19:13:52 -0600, you wrote:

    I can't bring myself to agree with you, there. It seems most other
    software both Windows and Linux has moved on to using ALT- and
    CTRL- hotkeys (possibl

    That's because keyboards have so many more keys and characters these days! ;)

    Agreed there, however, it takes a lifetime to try and remember all of vi(m)'s key combinations. Either that, or you're constantly looking at the manpage or help screens. ;)

    Na, but what could it hurt to just have the option, ya know?

    Does Outlook allow you to use an external editor of any kind? If so, you may be able to whip up something that opens up vim (I'm fairly certain it's available for Windows, at least).

    Other than that, options are always nice to have.. and my reply wasn't meant to mean "no, you shouldn't be able to do that", but rather "I wouldn't want that" and it came out wrong (big difference, I know).

    Regards,
    Nick

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