• opinion

    From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.1.remove-iqc-this to All on Sun May 24 05:44:12 2020
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    Greetings All,

    I am putting up a SBBS system, I bought an intel nuc10 and to my surprise it doesnt support linux..bummer. So I have two questions 1) has anyone successfully installed linux on a NUC newer than series 7? 2) whats your opinion on running SBBS through WSL2? Would it work well?

    Regards ...
    Rick Smith
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  • From Rampage@rampage@SESTAR.remove-bto-this to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 13:39:33 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to All on Sat May 23 2020 22:44:12


    I bought an intel nuc10 and to my surprise it doesnt support linux..bummer.

    not sure what you mean... i found this tutorial that might help...

    https://itsfoss.com/install-linux-on-intel-nuc/

    i searched for "linux intel nuc 10" without quotes and the above was one of the first results uncle google found...


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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-10xr-this to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 15:11:00 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Rick Smith wrote to All <=-

    I am putting up a SBBS system, I bought an intel nuc10 and to my
    surprise it doesnt support linux..bummer.

    Why wouldn't it "support linux"? It's just a (small) PC,
    effectively. What exactly prevents you from installing Linux on
    it?


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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.remove-m5w-this to Gamgee on Sun May 24 17:21:21 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    Why wouldn't it "support linux"? It's just a (small) PC,

    Right? I know its crazy... Debian wont boot, it installs then will not boot
    to desktop.. Its a bios or driver thing from what I have been reading.. I
    could not find anything to allow debian, I did get unbuntu to install and I
    was able to get SBBS compiled and installed, not my preferred distro but its
    a start I suppose.

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@1:123/115.remove-3cp-this to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 20:44:00 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Rick Smith wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Why wouldn't it "support linux"? It's just a (small) PC,

    Right? I know its crazy... Debian wont boot, it installs then
    will not boot to desktop.. Its a bios or driver thing from what I
    have been reading.. I could not find anything to allow debian, I
    did get unbuntu to install and I was able to get SBBS compiled
    and installed, not my preferred distro but its a start I suppose.

    Hmmmm.... weird. Might be a UEFI/bios thing, yes. If you decide
    to try Debian again, check BIOS settings for stuff like "Legacy
    Boot" or similar. UEFI can be weird, may require a special
    partition that it boots from.

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-3cp-this to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 18:36:23 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to All on Sat May 23 2020 10:44 pm

    I am putting up a SBBS system, I bought an intel nuc10 and to my surprise it doesnt support linux..bummer. So I have two questions 1) has anyone successfully installed linux on a NUC newer than series 7? 2) whats your

    What do you mean by "doesn't support Linux"? Are there no drivers for the hardware, or can you not even install Linux on it? I'd be surprised, because I worked at Intel until recently, and the team I was on was using a bunch of NUCs for their automated software build & test system, some which had Linux on them. I think the newest we had were 7th-generation (Kaby Lake) NUCs though. I wouldn't imagine they'd stop supporting Linux on them though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.remove-bnz-this to Nightfox on Sun May 24 22:26:16 2020
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    To: Nightfox
    What do you mean by "doesn't support Linux"? Are there no drivers for
    the hardware, or can you not even install Linux on it? I'd be surprised, because I worked at Intel until recently, and the team I was on was

    I agree it sounds crazy, but even on intels own nuc site it says that this
    and certain nuc's past 7th edition I think only have support for win10 specifically 64bit you cant even install 32 bit it wont boot or install it..

    I was shocked... would not have bought had I known.

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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.1.remove-bnz-this to Rampage on Sun May 24 14:32:59 2020
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    To: Rampage
    //Hello Rampage, //

    On *24.05.20* At *6:39:33* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"opinion"*.

    https://itsfoss.com/install-linux-on-intel-nuc/

    Yes, thank you I saw that one too. Unfortunately past a certain series they will only oot win10 64, wish I did a little reading before buying it...

    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-h3b-this to Rick Smith on Mon May 25 00:56:49 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to Rampage on Sun May 24 2020 07:32 am

    //Hello Rampage, //

    On *24.05.20* At *6:39:33* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"opinion"*.

    https://itsfoss.com/install-linux-on-intel-nuc/

    Yes, thank you I saw that one too. Unfortunately past a certain series they will only oot win10 64, wish I did a little reading before buying it...

    Are you sure about that? Just because it doesn't support 32-bit Windows doesn't mean it can't boot Linux.

    digital man

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  • From alterego@alterego@ALTERANT.remove-7a0-this to Rick Smith on Mon May 25 17:29:49 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to Rampage on Sun May 24 2020 07:32 am

    Yes, thank you I saw that one too. Unfortunately past a certain series they will only oot win10 64, wish I did a little reading before buying it...

    Why dont you put ESXi on it, then you can have as many linux's as you like.

    It may be a bit tricky - but I normally find a google post of somebody who has done it on strange (or super new) hardware.

    I have ESXi running on a pcengines APU2!

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  • From paulie420@paulie420@PAULIE42.remove-lcq-this to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 19:50:37 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to All on Sat May 23 2020 10:44 pm

    Greetings All,

    I am putting up a SBBS system, I bought an intel nuc10 and to my surprise it doesnt support linux..bummer. So I have two questions 1) has anyone successfully installed linux on a NUC newer than series 7? 2) whats your opinion on running SBBS through WSL2? Would it work well?

    Regards ...
    Rick Smith
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    How does it 'not support linux'?? Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm fairly positive you can throw Linux on there.. if yer intermediate with linux systems, I suggest Ubuntu Server for an sbbs install... its rock solid, and after you setup a netplan it will run forever.

    ??? But first, lets get you beyond that 'can't install linux' problem....

    Hmmmmm...?? More details..

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-dr-this to Rick Smith on Mon May 25 02:26:35 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to Nightfox on Sun May 24 2020 03:26 pm

    I agree it sounds crazy, but even on intels own nuc site it says that this and certain nuc's past 7th edition I think only have support for win10 specifically 64bit you cant even install 32 bit it wont boot or install it..

    I was shocked... would not have bought had I known.

    Weird.. I was actually thinking of replacing my BBS machine with a NUC. I currently have Linux running on that machine (with my BBS running in a Windows VM). I guess I won't be buying a NUC to replace it now..

    Nightfox

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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.1.remove-xp-this to Digital Man on Mon May 25 02:41:01 2020
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    To: Digital Man
    //Hello Digital, //

    On *24.05.20* At *17:56:49* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"opinion"*.



    Are you sure about that? Just because it doesn't support 32-bit Windows doesn't mean it can't boot Linux.

    That was just to demonstrate how limited it is, I succesfully installed debian (so I thought) but it wouldnt boot.. I cannot find anyone who has successfully installed it on a nuc series 8 or newer.

    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

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  • From ryan@ryan@MONTEREY.remove-pct-this to Rick Smith on Mon May 25 05:30:00 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    That was just to demonstrate how limited it is, I succesfully installed debian (so I thought) but it wouldnt boot.. I cannot find anyone who has successfully installed it on a nuc series 8 or newer.

    I have arch running no issues on a nuc series 8 skull canyon. If you were
    able to boot linux in the first place, you can run linux. If you were able to boot the installer, it runs linux just fine. How well versed in linux are you?

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-cs3-this to Rick Smith on Mon May 25 15:41:00 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    Rick Smith wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Are you sure about that? Just because it doesn't support 32-bit Windows doesn't mean it can't boot Linux.

    That was just to demonstrate how limited it is, I succesfully
    installed debian (so I thought) but it wouldnt boot.. I cannot
    find anyone who has successfully installed it on a nuc series 8
    or newer.

    Did you not see my post in this thread regarding "UEFI" and the
    partition it requires...?

    I almost guarantee that's the only "problem" here.



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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.1.remove-11ze-this to Nightfox on Mon May 25 03:20:32 2020
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    To: Nightfox
    //Hello Nightfox, //

    On *24.05.20* At *19:26:35* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: opinion"*.


    Weird.. I was actually thinking of replacing my BBS machine with a NUC.
    I currently have Linux running on that machine (with my BBS running in a Windows VM). I guess I won't be buying a NUC to replace it now..

    Just get a series prio to 8... they are good liitle machines.. I have a series 5 runs debian perfect...


    Regards ...
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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.1.remove-e8l-this to Gamgee on Mon May 25 16:01:22 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    //Hello Gamgee, //

    On *25.05.20* At *8:41:00* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: opinion"*.

    Rick Smith wrote to Digital Man <=-



    Did you not see my post in this thread regarding "UEFI" and the partition it requires...?

    I almost guarantee that's the only "problem" here.


    Yes I did thank you, I am going to explore that later today... It makes sense.



    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.remove-yai-this to paulie420 on Wed May 27 18:56:26 2020
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    To: paulie420
    How does it 'not support linux'?? Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm
    ??? But first, lets get you beyond that 'can't install linux' problem....

    OK, so I made another attempt with debian just now, I did some reading and people seemed to suggest uefi setup for the nuc.

    At boot from install usb, this is what I got first

    4.303983] mmc0: Unknown controller version (5). You may experience problems. 5.849666] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] no caching mode page found
    5.849733] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
    87.627628] thunderbolt 0000:03:00.0: failed to send driver ready to ICM 93.577882] iTCO_wdt: cant request region for resource [mem 0x00c5fffc-0x.... 95.951158] Bluetooth: hci0: command 0xfc05 tx timeout
    95.951174] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading intel version information failed (-110)

    Ok then debian graphical install performed normally (except for nic but I
    know how to fix that.. I partitioned drive uefi scheme and the install completed presumably normal.

    At first boot all looks normal, until the first debian GUI appears then it
    goes back to command prompt login. lets me login and look around just no gui.

    Type X and get;

    ( a bunch of server information and build the following fatal error)
    Fatal server error:
    (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffers

    server terminated with error (1). Closing log file

    More info? You did ask for it...<VBG>

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  • From Android8675@android8675@SHODAN.remove-nml-this to Nightfox on Thu May 28 14:36:25 2020
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    To: Nightfox
    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Nightfox to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 2020 07:26 pm

    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to Nightfox on Sun May 24 2020 03:26 pm

    Weird.. I was actually thinking of replacing my BBS machine with a NUC. I currently have Linux running on that machine (with my BBS running in a Windows VM). I guess I won't be buying a NUC to replace it now..

    What's a NUC?

    ...Googlin...

    Oh, OK. those are kindda cool. I was just gonna pipe in that I moved my board to a Ubuntu box on my father-in-laws "old" dell i5 desktop that he didn't want for some silly reason. Stripped it down to an ssh login shell, and I am lovin it. I'm considering dropping in some kind of storage that doesn't use a ton of energy. I also got Foundry VTT running on it which I'm also lovin. OK, back to you guys.

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  • From calcmandan@calcmandan@DIGDIST.remove-z45-this to Android8675 on Fri May 29 00:19:00 2020
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    To: Android8675
    Android8675 wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Nightfox to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 2020 07:26 pm

    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to Nightfox on Sun May 24 2020 03:26 pm

    Weird.. I was actually thinking of replacing my BBS machine with a NUC. I currently have Linux running on that machine (with my BBS running in a Windows VM). I guess I won't be buying a NUC to replace it now..

    What's a NUC?

    ...Googlin...

    Oh, OK. those are kindda cool. I was just gonna pipe in that I moved my board to a Ubuntu box on my father-in-laws "old" dell i5 desktop that
    he didn't want for some silly reason. Stripped it down to an ssh login shell, and I am lovin it. I'm considering dropping in some kind of
    storage that doesn't use a ton of energy. I also got Foundry VTT
    running on it which I'm also lovin. OK, back to you guys.

    I did the same thing with my mother-in-law's old PC. She dropped it off and I said 'hello email server, good to meet you.' Before she left, it was up and running.

    I bought a retired corporate dell that's serving as my point of entry. I slapped on a four-interface NIC and installed smoothwall. And my daily workstation is a retired corporate dell i5 with a decent video card. I don't buy new computers anymore. My old system76 laptop is my jump box/gopher server/dev box.

    NUCs seem overpriced for what they are.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Tracker1@tracker1@TRN.remove-yae-this to Rick Smith on Fri May 29 00:37:57 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    On 5/24/2020 3:26 PM, Rick Smith wrote:
    Ni> What do you mean by "doesn't support Linux"? Are there no drivers for
    Ni> the hardware, or can you not even install Linux on it? I'd be surprised,
    Ni> because I worked at Intel until recently, and the team I was on was

    I agree it sounds crazy, but even on intels own nuc site it says that this and certain nuc's past 7th edition I think only have support for win10 specifically 64bit you cant even install 32 bit it wont boot or install it..

    I was shocked... would not have bought had I known.

    Look in the BIOS for secure boot, make sure that that and fast boot
    options are disabled... I mean it's possible it only has the new windows fastboot option, but that would be surprising indeed.

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  • From Tracker1@tracker1@TRN.remove-l26-this to Rick Smith on Fri May 29 00:42:48 2020
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    To: Rick Smith
    On 5/27/2020 11:56 AM, Rick Smith wrote:
    pa> How does it 'not support linux'?? Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm
    pa> ??? But first, lets get you beyond that 'can't install linux' problem....

    OK, so I made another attempt with debian just now, I did some reading and people seemed to suggest uefi setup for the nuc.

    I'd suggest starting with PopOS or Ubuntu (or another debian/ubuntu derivative) if you're wanting a GUI and debian underneath. Especially
    if you aren't that experienced with it...

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  • From Moondog@moondog@CAVEBBS.remove-e6b-this to Android8675 on Fri May 29 02:58:00 2020
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    To: Android8675
    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Thu May 28 2020 07:36 am


    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Nightfox to Rick Smith on Sun May 24 2020 07:26 pm

    Re: Re: opinion
    By: Rick Smith to Nightfox on Sun May 24 2020 03:26 pm

    Weird.. I was actually thinking of replacing my BBS machine with a NUC. currently have Linux running on that machine (with my BBS running in a Windows VM). I guess I won't be buying a NUC to replace it now..

    What's a NUC?

    ...Googlin...

    Oh, OK. those are kindda cool. I was just gonna pipe in that I moved my boar
    dropping in some kind of storage that doesn't use a ton of energy. I also g

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  • From Rick Smith@rick.smith@1:340/202.remove-kc9-this to alterego on Mon Jun 1 01:46:07 2020
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    To: alterego
    Why dont you put ESXi on it, then you can have as many linux's as you like.

    Your genius! This is a great way around this nonsense... You are also correct in that a quick google search I found someone who put together a page to make
    a custom iso for my particular NUC with all the gotcha's worked out!! Thanks again for the recommendation!

    Endless VM's on my NUC!

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    Regards,

    Rick // Nitro

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  • From Tony Langdon@tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-m64-this to Rick Smith on Mon Jun 1 19:56:00 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Rick Smith
    On 05-31-20 18:46, Rick Smith wrote to alterego <=-

    Why dont you put ESXi on it, then you can have as many linux's as you like.

    Your genius! This is a great way around this nonsense... You are also correct in that a quick google search I found someone who put together
    a page to make a custom iso for my particular NUC with all the gotcha's worked out!! Thanks again for the recommendation!

    Endless VM's on my NUC!

    Now that sounds like a good solution. :)


    ... I had a cat once... tasted like chicken.
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  • From Tracker1@tracker1@TRN.remove-1260-this to Moondog on Mon Jun 15 02:24:51 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Moondog
    On 5/28/2020 4:58 PM, Moondog wrote:
    I like to see small form factor and single board computers finding their place
    in people's labs or workspaces. Other than a special low latency guitar ampl
    ifier simulator app, most of what I need can run on a sbc or sff system.

    The RaspberryPi 4's are surprisingly capable... and now up to 8gb ram.
    I do wish they had at least a single SATA header for booting from like a
    2.5" drive instead of the microsd cards.

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