• PayPal With Synchronet Website

    From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-mqd-this to Digital Man on Fri Sep 4 17:45:50 2020
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    Have you ever encountered any hacking into your account when using PayPal?

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-gir-this to Digital Man on Sat Sep 5 14:21:22 2020
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    Have you ever encountered any hacking into your account when using PayPal?

    $ The Millionaire $

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    I guess not but I heard about a lot of scamming because it’s a financial site. Good place to rob someone’s account easily.

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-gir-this to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 5 12:12:49 2020
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    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Sep 04 2020 05:45 pm

    Have you ever encountered any hacking into your account when using PayPal?

    Nope.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-cz9-this to Nightfox on Sat Sep 5 15:26:20 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Sep 04 2020 05:45 pm

    Nope.

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    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-aip-this to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 5 18:00:39 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2020 03:26 pm

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    I don't know. I just haven't had any attacks on my PayPal account, apparently. One thing is I try to use passwords that don't include real words. They may be harder to remember, but once I've used a password a few times, I start to memorize it and remember it.

    I think some account hacking attempts succeed because people often use a password that includes a real word, or a combination of some real words.

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-v4y-this to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 5 20:53:52 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Sep 05 2020 02:21 pm

    Have you ever encountered any hacking into your account when using
    PayPal?

    I guess not but I heard about a lot of scamming because it's a financial site. Good place to rob someone's account easily.

    "easily"? Paypal has 346 million active accounts. If it was "easy" to rob someone's account, the number wouldn't be that high.


    fun fact: Paypal was started by Elon Musk, as "x.com"

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-v4y-this to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 5 20:57:37 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2020 03:26 pm

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    I use paypal for business, and have for almost 20 years, now. Never been "hacked" because I'm not an idiot. Secure passwords, 2FA (when it became available), and common sense (don't click on that phishing e-mail) keep things secure on my end.

    Paypal's been pretty consistently secure on their end.

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-ah8-this to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 5 21:48:00 2020
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    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    Myself and all my family members use PayPal frequently, as well as
    many/all of my friends. Nobody I know has ever been "hacked" on
    their PayPal account.

    I suspect it's because we are not idiots.



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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-yk6-this to Gamgee on Sat Sep 5 21:30:26 2020
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    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:48 pm

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    Myself and all my family members use PayPal frequently, as well as many/all of my friends. Nobody I know has ever been "hacked" on
    their PayPal account.

    I suspect it's because we are not idiots.

    https://youtu.be/KFwUcEwD4l4

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-yk6-this to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 5 21:28:41 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Sep 05 2020 02:21 pm

    Have you ever encountered any hacking into your account when using
    PayPal?

    I guess not but I heard about a lot of scamming because it's a financial site. Good place to rob someone's account easily.

    I'm not sure it's any easier than hacking into any other banking site. There's security in place at PayPal's site, just like with any other banking site. I haven't heard of any major security issues specific to PayPal.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@arelor@PALANT.remove-gd8-this to Nightfox on Sun Sep 6 06:22:58 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 05 2020 06:00 pm

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Sep 05 2020 03:26 pm

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    I don't know. I just haven't had any attacks on my PayPal account, apparent One thing is I try to use passwords that don't include real words. They may harder to remember, but once I've used a password a few times, I start to memorize it and remember it.

    I think some account hacking attempts succeed because people often use a password that includes a real word, or a combination of some real words.

    Nightfox


    Don't forget when they use the same password for everything, and the hackers retrieve it from some low security site and start trying that password everywhere that person might be registered.

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-pyq-this to Nightfox on Sun Sep 6 07:46:00 2020
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    To: Nightfox
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    Myself and all my family members use PayPal frequently, as well as many/all of my friends. Nobody I know has ever been "hacked" on
    their PayPal account.

    I suspect it's because we are not idiots.

    https://youtu.be/KFwUcEwD4l4

    Hahahahaha! Yep, perfect. ;-)



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  • From Arelor@arelor@PALANT.remove-pyq-this to Gamgee on Sun Sep 6 06:23:55 2020
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    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:48 pm

    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    Myself and all my family members use PayPal frequently, as well as
    many/all of my friends. Nobody I know has ever been "hacked" on
    their PayPal account.

    I suspect it's because we are not idiots.



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    Beware, though. The real robbers in the paypal world are not hackers, but PayPal itself hahaha.

    Fomr an end-user perspective it is not that bad, but I hate it for sellers.

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-pyq-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 05:17:35 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sat Sep 05 2020 06:00 pm

    Don't forget when they use the same password for everything, and the hackers retrieve it from some low security site and start trying that password everywhere that person might be registered.

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    So you’re saying using a complex password can deter criminals but how do you remember it yourself? Do you write it down on a piece of paper or something?

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-pyq-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 07:48:00 2020
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    To: Arelor
    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    Myself and all my family members use PayPal frequently, as well as
    many/all of my friends. Nobody I know has ever been "hacked" on
    their PayPal account.

    I suspect it's because we are not idiots.

    Beware, though. The real robbers in the paypal world are not
    hackers, but PayPal itself hahaha.

    Fomr an end-user perspective it is not that bad, but I hate it
    for sellers.

    I can believe that, although I am only an end-user and haven't had
    to worry about it. I take it they (PayPal) take a percentage/fee
    from each transaction, similar to how a credit card company would?





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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-wkm-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 09:47:21 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:22 am


    Don't forget when they use the same password for everything, and the hackers retrieve it from some low security site and start trying that password everywhere that person might be registered.


    i know dropbox has had their password lists stolen several times.
    i used an alias and i see hits on my server using that unique email address and password.

    they wont own up to it, of course.
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  • From Arelor@arelor@PALANT.remove-kjp-this to Gamgee on Sun Sep 6 09:28:55 2020
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    Re: Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:48 am

    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    How did you get so lucky? Tell me how you got around the hackers.

    Myself and all my family members use PayPal frequently, as well as many/all of my friends. Nobody I know has ever been "hacked" on
    their PayPal account.

    I suspect it's because we are not idiots.

    Beware, though. The real robbers in the paypal world are not
    hackers, but PayPal itself hahaha.

    Fomr an end-user perspective it is not that bad, but I hate it
    for sellers.

    I can believe that, although I am only an end-user and haven't had
    to worry about it. I take it they (PayPal) take a percentage/fee
    from each transaction, similar to how a credit card company would?





    ... Pros are those who do their jobs well, even when they don't feel like it

    Yes, they take a cut. It is quite an expensive cut, but that is not the problem IMO.

    The problems are more like they will side with the buyer every single time until you can prove your case as a seller - despite the fact the seller is the one paying PayPal and thus the real customer. Also removing the account limits can be a bit of a headache. I have had them receive my documentation for removing account limits and ignore it in the past which is very concerning. And then they require all this information from you, you make your merchant account, and you cannot use any funds that reach it until PayPal decides to consider your account trustworthy and hand your money to you.

    If it was a bank doing this they would set their offices on fire.

    Oh, and if you complain they reserve the right to shut your account down. ANd you have no right to recommend other payment processors. And you cannot charge the customers the payment processor fees - despite the fact they are usualy the most expensive or the second most expensive you are likely to use.

    You guys read the ToS, do you?

    The most frustrating payment processor I work with. When I hear a customer say they only want to use Paypal for online shopping I feel like strangling the life out of them.




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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-cot-this to The Millionaire on Sun Sep 6 09:36:57 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 05:17 am

    So you're saying using a complex password can deter criminals but how do you remember it yourself? Do you write it down on a piece of paper or something?

    You can write it down at first, but after you use it a few times, you just start to remember.. I have some passwords like that and when I use them often enough, I just remember without having to look at what I have written down.

    There are also password managers, which are programs you can use that can generate complex passwords and store them for you to log into various sites. Then you just need to remember the password for your password manager, and the password manager will manage complex passwords for you. There are password manager apps for Windows as well as mobile devices like Android, iPhone, and iPad.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-z0f-this to The Millionaire on Sun Sep 6 11:23:32 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 05:17 am

    So you're saying using a complex password can deter criminals but how do you remember it yourself? Do you write it down on a piece of paper or something?

    I use Lastpass. My master passsword is over 40 characters long, and quite easy to remember.

    Passwords don't have to be randomly generated. there's a great XKCD comic that shows a simple way to create a secure, easily memorizable password: https://xkcd.com/936/

    someone created a password generator based on it: https://xkpasswd.net/

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-z0f-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 11:27:11 2020
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    By: Arelor to Gamgee on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:23 am

    Beware, though. The real robbers in the paypal world are not hackers, but PayPal itself hahaha.

    Fomr an end-user perspective it is not that bad, but I hate it for sellers.


    It's not so bad for sellers. It's a little bit more expensive per transaction than if you had a merchant account, but you don't have to pay for expensive software or equipment to process credit cards.

    Square and Paypal's fees for handling credit card transactions are the same.

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  • From Arelor@arelor@PALANT.remove-y6b-this to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 6 12:36:12 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Sun Sep 06 2020 11:23 am

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 05:17 am

    So you're saying using a complex password can deter criminals but how d you remember it yourself? Do you write it down on a piece of paper or something?

    I use Lastpass. My master passsword is over 40 characters long, and quite easy to remember.

    Passwords don't have to be randomly generated. there's a great XKCD comic th shows a simple way to create a secure, easily memorizable password: https://xkcd.com/936/

    someone created a password generator based on it: https://xkpasswd.net/

    DaiTengu

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    I like the Diceware system. It generates bery long, high entropy passwords that are easy to remember, and there are many diceware lists you can choose from.

    I like pass-store and keepass, but I also have notebooks with passwords lists in a safe. The real important paswords exist only in my head, though. This is a problem because if you are under bad stress you can find you don't remember them. I have had to crack some of my own 90 characters long passwords because I could not remember the last three digits.

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  • From HusTler@hustler@HAVENS.remove-soj-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 15:53:58 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:22 am

    I think some account hacking attempts succeed because people often use a password that includes a real word, or a combination of some real words.

    If your bank card is linked to paypal they don't need a password. I buy a lot on ebay. I've always had a problem with unauthorized. Isn't ironic that paypal and ebay around owned by the same company (Owner). It's basically the same as giving your bank card info to a porn site. Eventually you're gonna get "fucked".

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  • From HusTler@hustler@HAVENS.remove-soj-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 16:05:44 2020
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    Re: Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:48 am

    I can believe that, although I am only an end-user and haven't had
    to worry about it. I take it they (PayPal) take a percentage/fee
    from each transaction, similar to how a credit card company would?


    Paypal is no less of a crook then the rest of the scammers online. Just try and close your account and you'll see what I mean. Better yet try and talk to a live person from paypal. One time I was talking to a REP and I heard a rooster in the background. Oh yea they hire people from third world countries with chickens and roosters right outside their office err kitchen I mean. CockaDooleDoo. This is paypal speaking. Can I have your ID please?

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  • From HusTler@hustler@HAVENS.remove-soj-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 16:17:02 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:22 am

    I think some account hacking attempts succeed because people often use a password that includes a real word, or a combination of some real words.

    If your bank card is linked to paypal they don't need a password. I buy a lot on ebay. I've always had a problem with unauthorized charges from ebay sellers.. Isn't ironic that paypal and ebay are owned by the same company (Owner). It's basically the same as giving your bank card info to a porn site. Eventually you're gonna get "fucked".

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  • From HusTler@hustler@HAVENS.remove-soj-this to MRO on Sun Sep 6 16:14:58 2020
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    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 09:47 am

    i know dropbox has had their password lists stolen several times.
    i used an alias and i see hits on my server using that unique email address password.

    they wont own up to it, of course.

    Of course not. It's your word against theirs. You can have all the security you want but you'll never stop online crooks. Best thing to do is use a disposable debit card and only transfer the amount you want to pay. Do not keep any type of balance. If you like to swipe your card a lot .. well that's not going to help much. You probably have so much cash (credit) it's hard to keep track of. I was watching the show American Greed yesterday. It's amazing how a person won't miss a few million here and there. ;-)

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-ii3-this to HusTler on Sun Sep 6 14:31:27 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: HusTler
    But the main problem of all here guys is PayPal is on pretty much every site. Even Apple uses it as well. Scary. 8-(

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-j3v-this to Arelor on Sun Sep 6 14:43:13 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Arelor

    Re: Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:48 am

    Yes, they take a cut. It is quite an expensive cut, but that is not the problem IMO.

    The problems are more like they will side with the buyer every single time until you can prove your case as a seller - despite the fact the seller is the one paying PayPal and thus the real customer. Also removing the account limits can be a bit of a headache. I have had them receive my documentation for removing account limits and ignore it in the past which is very concerning. And then they require all this information from you, you make your merchant account, and you cannot use any funds that reach it until PayPal decides to consider your account trustworthy and hand your money to you.

    If it was a bank doing this they would set their offices on fire.

    Oh, and if you complain they reserve the right to shut your account down. ANd you have no right to recommend other payment processors. And you cannot charge the customers the payment processor fees - despite the fact they are usualy the most expensive or the second most expensive you are likely to use.

    You guys read the ToS, do you?

    The most frustrating payment processor I work with. When I hear a customer say they only want to use Paypal for online shopping I feel like strangling the life out of them.

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    Isn’t that what most ppl use it for anyways?

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-syr-this to The Millionaire on Sun Sep 6 19:15:30 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to HusTler on Sun Sep 06 2020 02:31 pm

    But the main problem of all here guys is PayPal is on pretty much every site. Even Apple uses it as well. Scary. 8-(

    No different than Apple Pay, or Google Pay.

    Or Amex, Discover, Visa or Mastercard's online systems. Or Companies like Capital One....

    DaiTengu

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-ziw-this to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 6 18:55:33 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: DaiTengu

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to HusTler on Sun Sep 06 2020 02:31 pm

    No different than Apple Pay, or Google Pay.

    Or Amex, Discover, Visa or Mastercard's online systems. Or Companies like Capital One....

    DaiTengu

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    Too bad Apple doesn’t link Bank Accts though, only Debit/Credit Cards.

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-8pc-this to The Millionaire on Sun Sep 6 19:39:57 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 02:43 pm

    The most frustrating payment processor I work with. When I hear a
    customer say they only want to use Paypal for online shopping I feel
    like strangling the life out of them.

    Isn't that what most ppl use it for anyways?

    I think he means it's frustrating for sellers to deal with.

    Nightfox

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  • From Underminer@underminer@UNDRMINE.remove-dc3-this to The Millionaire on Sun Sep 6 20:39:12 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 05:17 am

    So you're saying using a complex password can deter criminals but how do you remember it yourself? Do you write it down on a piece of paper or something?

    You can get complex without being hard to remember. 4 random words strung together gives you a very long password with very high entropy, but is likely very easy to remember.
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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-68r-this to HusTler on Sun Sep 6 22:29:15 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: HusTler
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: HusTler to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 03:53 pm

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:22 am

    I think some account hacking attempts succeed because people often
    use a password that includes a real word, or a combination of some
    real words.

    If your bank card is linked to paypal they don't need a password. I buy a lot on ebay. I've always had a problem with unauthorized. Isn't ironic that paypal and ebay around owned by the same company (Owner). It's basically the same as giving your bank card info to a porn site. Eventually you're gonna get "fucked".


    it's not the people being compromised. it's the sites with their shitty security being compromised. i got a chime card just to make shit purchases and fucker got locked right away with someone trying to do a paypal purchase. i just activated it and did nothing. luckily i didnt put any money on the card.
    so i unlocked it and they sent me a new card and same shit happened. so i figured fuck that service, they dont have their shit together.
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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-68r-this to HusTler on Sun Sep 6 22:31:35 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: HusTler
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Sep 06 2020 04:14 pm

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 09:47 am

    i know dropbox has had their password lists stolen several times.
    i used an alias and i see hits on my server using that unique email
    address password.

    they wont own up to it, of course.

    Of course not. It's your word against theirs. You can have all the security you want but you'll never stop online crooks. Best thing to do is use a disposable debit card and only transfer the amount you want to pay. Do not keep any type of balance. If you like to swipe your card a lot .. well that's not going to help much. You probably have so much cash (credit) it's hard to keep track of. I was watching the show American Greed yesterday. It's amazing how a person won't miss a few million here and there. ;-)


    well even though i have several credit and debit cards, i set it up to notify me with everything if possible. the only time my cc was compromised was when i bought bitcoin at coinbase. that's the only time in my entire adult life.
    that fucker went on a spending spree, too.

    i cant believe they didnt block that shit from happening but will call me up when i pay my server bill which is from a company based in canada.
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  • From Tony Langdon@tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-fmo-this to The Millionaire on Mon Sep 7 19:45:00 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    On 09-06-20 05:17, The Millionaire wrote to Arelor <=-

    So you're saying using a complex password can deter criminals but how
    do you remember it yourself? Do you write it down on a piece of paper
    or something?

    A password manager is one solution. Then you only have to remember the password that unlocks the password manager, and it remembers the password for the sites you use.


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  • From HusTler@hustler@HAVENS.remove-xj5-this to MRO on Mon Sep 7 11:04:33 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: MRO
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Sep 06 2020 10:31 pm

    they wont own up to it, of course.

    Of course not. It's your word against theirs. You can have all the

    me with everything if possible. the only time my cc was compromised was whe bought bitcoin at coinbase. that's the only time in my entire adult life. t fucker went on a spending spree, too.

    i cant believe they didnt block that shit from happening but will call me up when i pay my server bill which is from a company based in canada.
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    Wow. So who was the problem? Coinbase or Bitcoin. I don't follow internet money. Although I should. I'm not totally convinced about the future of what I call "internet money". Perhaps you can enlighten me?

    HusTler
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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-q2m-this to The Millionaire on Mon Sep 7 11:26:08 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:55 pm

    No different than Apple Pay, or Google Pay.

    Or Amex, Discover, Visa or Mastercard's online systems. Or Companies
    like Capital One....

    Too bad Apple doesn't link Bank Accts though, only Debit/Credit Cards.


    Uh, yes. They do.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207882

    DaiTengu

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  • From MRO@mro@BBSESINF.remove-126c-this to HusTler on Mon Sep 7 12:36:40 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: HusTler
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: HusTler to MRO on Mon Sep 07 2020 11:04 am


    Wow. So who was the problem? Coinbase or Bitcoin. I don't follow internet money. Although I should. I'm not totally convinced about the future of what I call "internet money". Perhaps you can enlighten me?


    coinbase handled my bitcoin wallet.
    i dont use bitcoin much. i dont trust it but it does have advantages.
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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-q42-this to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 7 12:00:34 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: DaiTengu

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 06 2020 06:55 pm

    Uh, yes. They do.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207882

    DaiTengu

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    Um it’s only for depositing to your bank acct. not withdrawing.

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-b3n-this to The Millionaire on Tue Sep 8 07:42:36 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 07 2020 12:00 pm

    Uh, yes. They do.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207882

    Um it's only for depositing to your bank acct. not withdrawing.


    the numbers are the same. you don't have to "authorize" it. as long as you have the routing number and account number, you can withdraw as well. (that's how paper checks work)

    DaiTengu

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-mm0-this to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 8 06:56:50 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: DaiTengu

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 07 2020 12:00 pm

    the numbers are the same. you don't have to "authorize" it. as long as you have the routing number and account number, you can withdraw as well. (that's how paper checks work)

    DaiTengu

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    Even with a chequing acct? Wow cool. I signed up with PayPal back in 2010 and got $1K withdrawn which wiped me to $0 balance. They investigated it and caught the person responsible for it. The bank had to reimburse me and they changed the acct number. Guess my pwd was too weak and they figured it out easily but I was new to PayPal back then. So call me a little skeptical now. But Apple I believe is to be trustworthy because of their ecosystem. Live under the dome, so to speak as they say.

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-knq-this to The Millionaire on Tue Sep 8 10:28:55 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 06:56 am

    Even with a chequing acct? Wow cool. I signed up with PayPal back in 2010 and got $1K withdrawn which wiped me to $0 balance. They investigated it and caught the person responsible for it. The bank had to reimburse me and they changed the acct number. Guess my pwd was too weak and they figured it out easily but I was new to PayPal back then. So call me a little skeptical now. But Apple I believe is to be trustworthy because of their ecosystem. Live under the dome, so to speak as they say.

    So you admit you had a weak password, Paypal and your bank did everything right to fix it, and you're still skeptical?

    That's the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition in a sketchy part of town. While the person shouldn't have stolen your money, you shure as hell should have taken better precautions.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Arelor@arelor@PALANT.remove-g9q-this to The Millionaire on Tue Sep 8 11:17:05 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 06:56 am

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 07 2020 12:00 pm

    the numbers are the same. you don't have to "authorize" it. as long as y have the routing number and account number, you can withdraw as well. (tha how paper checks work)

    DaiTengu

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    Even with a chequing acct? Wow cool. I signed up with PayPal back in 2010 an got $1K withdrawn which wiped me to $0 balance. They investigated it and cau the person responsible for it. The bank had to reimburse me and they changed the acct number. Guess my pwd was too weak and they figured it out easily bu was new to PayPal back then. So call me a little skeptical now. But Apple I believe is to be trustworthy because of their ecosystem. Live under the dome so to speak as they say.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...


    No security infrastructure can beat a dumb user.

    Apple might be trustworthy for you but sure as heck it wasn't for all those celebrities who got their nudes leaked and posted to The Pirate Bay.

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-vd8-this to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 8 11:17:29 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: DaiTengu

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 06:56 am

    So you admit you had a weak password, Paypal and your bank did everything right to fix it, and you're still skeptical?

    That's the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition in a sketchy part of town. While the person shouldn't have stolen your money, you shure as hell should have taken better precautions.

    DaiTengu

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    I had assumed from people telling me that they had high encryption. So I thought I would be safe.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From echicken@echicken@ECBBS.remove-12j-this to The Millionaire on Tue Sep 8 14:55:45 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 11:17:29

    That's the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked with the keys in the
    ignition in a sketchy part of town. While the person shouldn't have stolen
    your money, you shure as hell should have taken better precautions.

    I had assumed from people telling me that they had high encryption. So I thought I would be safe.

    "High encryption" can only help so much.

    To extend the car analogy, it's like having a car with unbreakable windows, but a key shaped like a popsicle stick. If someone can guess the shape of the key and make one for themselves, they don't need to break in with brute force; they can just unlock the door.

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  • From Nightfox@nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-5yn-this to The Millionaire on Tue Sep 8 12:58:31 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 11:17 am

    I had assumed from people telling me that they had high encryption. So I thought I would be safe.

    It's also good to do some research online to see what you can read about it, rather than just relying on what people say.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-10zp-this to Nightfox on Tue Sep 8 18:50:57 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Nightfox

    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 11:17 am

    It's also good to do some research online to see what you can read about it, rather than just relying on what people say.

    Nightfox

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    I had a friend who gave me a testimonial because he signed up with PayPal previously and I trusted him.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Tony Langdon@tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-3lg-this to The Millionaire on Wed Sep 9 15:01:00 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    On 09-08-20 11:17, The Millionaire wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    I had assumed from people telling me that they had high encryption. So
    I thought I would be safe.

    The user is typically the weakest link, when it comes to security.


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  • From Tony Langdon@tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-3lg-this to echicken on Wed Sep 9 15:04:00 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: echicken
    On 09-08-20 14:55, echicken wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    "High encryption" can only help so much.

    To extend the car analogy, it's like having a car with unbreakable windows, but a key shaped like a popsicle stick. If someone can guess
    the shape of the key and make one for themselves, they don't need to
    break in with brute force; they can just unlock the door.

    Or what we call "screwdriver tech" - a lock that can be opened by a screwdriver (analogous to a very weak password). Someone will come along with a bunch of screwdrivers and find one that works. :)


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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-bib-this to The Millionaire on Wed Sep 9 15:33:13 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 08 2020 11:17 am

    I had assumed from people telling me that they had high encryption. So I thought I would be safe.

    You can have all the encryption in the world, but if your password is simple, or the same password you used somewhere else, your account is going to get broken into.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-bib-this to The Millionaire on Wed Sep 9 15:35:09 2020
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: The Millionaire
    Re: PayPal With Synchronet Website
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Sep 08 2020 06:50 pm

    It's also good to do some research online to see what you can read
    about it, rather than just relying on what people say.


    I had a friend who gave me a testimonial because he signed up with PayPal previously and I trusted him.

    still not his, nor paypal's fault. Paypal's security is fine. Yours is not.

    DaiTengu

    ... Never invest your money in anything that eats or needs painting.

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