Saw some posts about Trek earlier, and just curious what everyone's take is on Discovery. I'm digging this second season though didn't care much for last season.
I'm giving it a shot. First season was meh. Second season is a bit better. Most of the complaints that people have, have to do with continuity or whatever. It's a TV show though, and Star Trek was never really that big on continuity in the first place, so whatever.
Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-
I heard one of the reasons they wanted
to start over with the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies in 2009 was so they wouldn't have to worry about continuity issues when writing their
stories.
Re: Any thoughts on Discovery?
By: Derision to sam on Tue Mar 05 2019 06:11 pm
I'm giving it a shot. First season was meh. Second season is a bit bett Most of the complaints that people have, have to do with continuity or whatever. It's a TV show though, and Star Trek was never really that bi on continuity in the first place, so whatever.
I think Star Trek has been fairly good with continuity, except for the look the Klingons (which they've tried to explain) and a couple other small thing And in fact, I heard one of the reasons they wanted to start over with the J Abrams Star Trek movies in 2009 was so they wouldn't have to worry about continuity issues when writing their stories.
Nightfox
I heard one of the reasons they wanted
to start over with the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies in 2009 was so
they wouldn't have to worry about continuity issues when writing
their stories.
That's a shame. I've read some great fiction intertwined with canon that was very entertaining. There are enough gaps that need filling with good story that there's no need, IMO to start over. You can use the already-fleshed out back story to build your story.
Years ago I read there were arguments between Gene Roddenberry and his writers during the STNG era that his ideal view of the future made it difficult to write for. Writers such as Ron Moore were more apt to create characters that were flawed in serious ways, and Roddenberry was reluctant to create a character with a any issues that couldn't be resolved in an episode or two. TV programming in the past often involved swapping episode show dates and more serial in nature episodes didn't work out well. The writers would have to remind him that syndication resolved that issue.
Overall I thought the continuity was pretty good in the STNG years.
Re: Any thoughts on Discovery?
By: sam to All on Tue Mar 05 2019 16:14:49
Saw some posts about Trek earlier, and just curious what everyone's take is on Discovery. I'm digging this second season though didn't care much for last season.
I like the dude playing Pike, he was a good choice. Wish we got a bit more of the rest of the crew... there's an entire regular-cast bridge crew that we've barely heard anything from, which is... weird. TNG managed a regular cast of like 9 or so and we felt like we knew each of them. This one has like... four that we get any decent exposure for, the rest are background characters.
I agree 100% and have been telling my wife this exact same thing. The thing that made TNG, Voyager, and DS9 so great is the
character development. Riker played trumbone, Crusher liked to dance, Harry Kim played the clarinet, Tom Paris liked 80s/90s stuff,
Sisko liked baseball, each character by season two of each series had such depth -- not so much in Discovery. They're trying to play
so close to canon that the characters are becoming shallow.
On 03-06-19 12:50, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Yeah, for a long time, I've thought it would be interesting to see a
new Star Trek TV show or movie focusing on the Enterprise B or C, since
we've only officially seen them once each in a Star Trek show or movie.
Something taking place after Nemesis would be good too. I've been getting tired of the prequels and reboots they've been doing involving
the TOS cast (we've already seen them a lot) and what happened before (Enterprise and Discovery), although I suppose those stories are interesting too.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Discovery?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Mar 06 2019 06:19 am
I heard one of the reasons they wanted
to start over with the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies in 2009 was so
they wouldn't have to worry about continuity issues when writing
their stories.
That's a shame. I've read some great fiction intertwined with canon tha was very entertaining. There are enough gaps that need filling with goo story that there's no need, IMO to start over. You can use the already-fleshed out back story to build your story.
Yeah, for a long time, I've thought it would be interesting to see a new Sta Trek TV show or movie focusing on the Enterprise B or C, since we've only officially seen them once each in a Star Trek show or movie. Something taki place after Nemesis would be good too. I've been getting tired of the prequ and reboots they've been doing involving the TOS cast (we've already seen th a lot) and what happened before (Enterprise and Discovery), although I suppo those stories are interesting too.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Discovery?
By: sam to Derision on Wed Mar 06 2019 05:00 pm
I agree 100% and have been telling my wife this exact same thing. The thing that made TNG, Voyager, and DS9 so great is the
character development. Riker played trumbone, Crusher liked to dance, Harry Kim played the clarinet, Tom Paris liked 80s/90s stuff,
Sisko liked baseball, each character by season two of each series had s depth -- not so much in Discovery. They're trying to play
so close to canon that the characters are becoming shallow.
I agree. And on TNG, the funny thing is, I think they started to do a lot m character development in the last season. In season 7, we learned that Rike first captain was trying to develop a Federation cloaking device and Riker defended his captain when his shipmates were mutinying. And in season 7 we also learned that Troi had a sister who died in childhood. Also we learned that Crusher had a grandmother living on another planet and inherited a property there that had a ghost who was actually an alien who was visiting h grandmother. Seemed like a lot of new character development in the last season.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 06 2019 12:50 pm
I'd have liked to have seen Enterprise go for another few seasons, because that would have brought the Earth-Romulan war into focus, which started just after the time period Enterprise (except for the last episode) was set. That war would have been interesting to see play out, and it would have been more back story that led to the birth of the Federation. We saw the initial seesd in the 2 episodes that dealt with the Romulans in season 4.
There was talk about the time Voyager was ending of going back to the current TOS timeline with an Excelsior series starring George Takei and Tim Russ (Tuvok served under Sulu well before Voyager). Another variation
Enterprise. Christian Slater appeared on oneof the movies as a cast member of the Excelsior, he would've been a good addition for a show.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
There was talk about the time Voyager was ending of going back to the current TOS timeline with an Excelsior series starring George Takei and Tim Russ (Tuvok served under Sulu well before Voyager).
I agree 100% and have been telling my wife this exact same thing. The thing that made TNG, Voyager, and DS9 so great is the
character development. Riker played trumbone, Crusher liked to dance, Harry Kim played the clarinet, Tom Paris liked 80s/90s stuff,
Sisko liked baseball, each character by season two of each series had such depth -- not so much in Discovery. They're trying to play
so close to canon that the characters are becoming shallow.
hmmm... since the subject changed from "Any thoughts on Discovery" to "Re: Any thoughts on Disco" then, yes I have just one ... it's dead LOL
There was talk about the time Voyager was ending of going back to
the current TOS timeline with an Excelsior series starring George
Takei and Tim Russ (Tuvok served under Sulu well before Voyager).
They did a good job of going back in time in Voyager in an episode - GT reprised his role as Captain Sulu from ST VI. He even fit into the old costume some 20 years later!
I think most of this is due to the nature of modern Television. TV has gone from being episodic to serial. Which is fine, I love a drawn out story. However, this doesn't leave much room for ship-in-a-bottle episodes that focus on a character, since Discovery is only doing 13-14 episodes a season as well. all the other Trek series had around 24-26 episodes per season, and each episode was a new story.
Star Trek Discovery is affectionately referred to as "Disco", as the abbreviation "STD" has some negative connotations.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
There was talk about the time Voyager was ending of going back to the current TOS timeline with an Excelsior series starring George Takei and Tim Russ (Tuvok served under Sulu well before Voyager).
They did a good job of going back in time in Voyager in an episode - GT reprised his role as Captain Sulu from ST VI. He even fit into the old costume some 20 years later!
... Can you hear me?George kept in shape. Until a few years ago he was still running marathons. Due to a back problem he does elevated pushups, which are a step more
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed Mar 06 2019 10:05 pm
There was talk about the time Voyager was ending of going back to the current TOS timeline with an Excelsior series starring George Takei and Tim Russ (Tuvok served under Sulu well before Voyager). Another variati
That would have been interesting. I remember George Takei making an April Fools Day post on Facebook several years ago that they were about to start filming an Excelsior show with him, but as it was an April Fools Day joke, I wasn't sure if there was ever any serious talk about an Excelsior series.
Enterprise. Christian Slater appeared on oneof the movies as a cast mem of the Excelsior, he would've been a good addition for a show.
I remember seeing Christian Slater in Star Trek. I think it was Star Trek 3 I think I remember him from when he was at the captain's quarters in the Excelsior to tell him Kirk was taking the Enterprise from spacedock without permission.
A while ago, I saw a web site with a list of "actors you didn't realize were Star Trek". It mentioned Christian Slater, and I was thinking, uh yeah I actually do remember him in Star Trek.. And it also mentioned The Rock in a episode of Voyager, which I remember too.. If you're a Star Trek fan, you probably remember those things.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Discovery?
By: DaiTengu to sam on Thu Mar 07 2019 01:21 pm
I think most of this is due to the nature of modern Television. TV has gone from being episodic to serial. Which is fine, I love a drawn out story. However, this doesn't leave much room for ship-in-a-bottle episo that focus on a character, since Discovery is only doing 13-14 episodes season as well. all the other Trek series had around 24-26 episodes per season, and each episode was a new story.
One thing I like about older shows like Star Trek: The Next Generation (whic was one of my favorite shows) is that you can often go back and watch pretty much any episode later, because most of them are self-contained episodes. A for a lot of shows these days, you can't really miss one episode because the you'll be lost without knowing what happened. I guess that benefits the companies that do streaming TV and DVR services, since more people will subscribe to them so they can always go back and watch episodes they missed.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Mortifis to Moondog on Thu Mar 07 2019 12:53 pm
hmmm... since the subject changed from "Any thoughts on Discovery" to "Re: Any thoughts on Disco" then, yes I have just one ... it's dead LOL
Star Trek Discovery is affectionately referred to as "Disco", as the abbreviation "STD" has some negative connotations.
DaiTengu
I know, but I am an an old head banger and just couldn't resit :)
On 03-07-19 09:55, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, I actually thought Enterprise was an interesting show, and I
thought it was getting fairly interesting when it was canceled. I
would have liked to see it go on longer too.
On 03-07-19 06:37, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
They did a good job of going back in time in Voyager in an episode - GT reprised his role as Captain Sulu from ST VI. He even fit into the old costume some 20 years later!
On 03-07-19 13:13, Nightfox wrote to DaiTengu <=-
Yep. I the official abbreviation is DSC though.
On 03-07-19 15:03, Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
George kept in shape. Until a few years ago he was still running
marathons. Due to a back problem he does elevated pushups, which are a step more difficult for most folk.
I would never name my BBS after a song by the greatest weapon against the infestation of the dirty and smelly hippie, SLAYER. Nope, not me. :)
I definitely wish I had named it "South of Heaven" though. I keep thinking about setting up a second BBS named that....
Yep. I the official abbreviation is DSC though.
That works and fits in with TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT. :)
Although DSC is the official abbreviation, I thought it was a little odd because it's a 3-letter abbreviation for a 1-word title.. The abbreviations for Voyager and Enterprise are just the first 3 letters, which I think makes more sense for those. Why not DIS for Discovery?
On 03-11-19 10:13, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Although DSC is the official abbreviation, I thought it was a little
odd because it's a 3-letter abbreviation for a 1-word title.. The abbreviations for Voyager and Enterprise are just the first 3 letters, which I think makes more sense for those. Why not DIS for Discovery?
odd because it's a 3-letter abbreviation for a 1-word title.. The
abbreviations for Voyager and Enterprise are just the first 3
letters, which I think makes more sense for those. Why not DIS for
Discovery?
Well, it could be DIS or DAT. :D
But seriously, yeah you have a point, though maybe they didn't want something that could be pronounced. But yeah, the question could be asked "What is wrong with DIS?" ;)
Yeah, I actually thought Enterprise was an interesting show, and I
thought it was getting fairly interesting when it was canceled. I
would have liked to see it go on longer too.
I quite enjoyed Enterprise and the 4th season was really good.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Mortifis to DaiTengu on Sat Mar 09 2019 05:15 pm
I know, but I am an an old head banger and just couldn't resit :)
I would never name my BBS after a song by the greatest weapon against the infestation of the dirty and smelly hippie, SLAYER. Nope, not me. :)
I would never name my BBS after a song by the greatest weapon against
the infestation of the dirty and smelly hippie, SLAYER. Nope, not me.
:)
I think I am missing a reference here, who named a BBS after a song referring to Slayer?
I would never name my BBS after a song by the greatest weapon against
the infestation of the dirty and smelly hippie, SLAYER. Nope, not me.
:)
I think I am missing a reference here, who named a BBS after a song referring to Slayer?
On 03-11-19 15:54, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Or perhaps they wouldn't want to think anyone was dissing the show. :P
"DSC" looks like it could be pronounced as "disc"/"disk".
On 03-12-19 19:13, DaiTengu wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I wound up watching the series years later, when I was able to skip
over the god-awful intro. I enjoyed it, but fully expected Al to pop up behind Archer any time he was in a predicament and say "Sam, Ziggy says you only have a 23.7% chance of getting out of this alive!"
DaiTengu
... Never invest your money in anything that eats or needs painting.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Discovery?
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2019 09:40 pm
Yeah, I actually thought Enterprise was an interesting show, and I
thought it was getting fairly interesting when it was canceled. I
would have liked to see it go on longer too.
I quite enjoyed Enterprise and the 4th season was really good.
I wound up watching the series years later, when I was able to skip over th god-awful intro. I enjoyed it, but fully expected Al to pop up behind Archer any time he was in a predicament and say "Sam, Ziggy says you only have a 23 chance of getting out of this alive!"
DaiTengu
... Never invest your money in anything that eats or needs painting.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
In retrospect I get the impression the temporal civil war side story was working into a possible introduction of another Trek spinoff dealing with the Temporal Prime Directive. I didn't mind the occasional time travel or time loop story in any of the series, however in Voyager they were beginning to push a bit too much on time travel.
So, I played catch-up with Discovery. Season 1 was a little weak, Season 2 was so full of easter eggs and references to the old series that it resonated well.
Anson Mount as Christopher Pike is wonderful, funny and animated, interesting since Jeffrey Hunter was allegedly too quiet and contemplative in playing Pike. That, apparently, drove them to Shatner's portrayal of Kirk.
S2E8 was wonderful.
I'm hooked now.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Moondog to DaiTengu on Thu Mar 14 2019 10:07 am
In retrospect I get the impression the temporal civil war side story wa working into a possible introduction of another Trek spinoff dealing wi the Temporal Prime Directive. I didn't mind the occasional time travel time loop story in any of the series, however in Voyager they were beginning to push a bit too much on time travel.
Voyager? I thought Enterprise did time travel a bit much with their tempora cold war and with Crewman Daniels sometimes whisking Archer away to some fut point in time to show him something. I think Enterprise did that stuff throughout the whole series. Voyager, I think there were only a few time travel episodes that I can remember.. There was the one where they went bac to 1996 because there was that guy who created a company 'inventing' stuff h found from the future. There was the other where Chakotay and Kim from 15 years in the future sent a message back to save Voyager from a mistake they made with a quantum slipstream drive. And there were maybe a couple episode with a federation time ship from the future or something that went back to t to stop Voyager from doing things.
Nightfox
On 03-14-19 06:44, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
So, I played catch-up with Discovery. Season 1 was a little weak,
Season 2 was so full of easter eggs and references to the old series
that it resonated well.
Anson Mount as Christopher Pike is wonderful, funny and animated, interesting since Jeffrey Hunter was allegedly too quiet and
contemplative in playing Pike. That, apparently, drove them to
Shatner's portrayal of Kirk.
S2E8 was wonderful.
I'm hooked now.
Anson Mount as Christopher Pike is wonderful, funny and animated, interesting since Jeffrey Hunter was allegedly too quiet and contemplative in playing Pike. That, apparently, drove them to Shatner's portrayal of Kirk.
Yes, Season 2 is much better. I'm really enjoying it, and it's starting to tie in with the rest of Trek.
S2E8 was wonderful.
On 03-17-19 13:07, Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Discovery is the Star Trek I've been wanting for a very long time.
Season 1 was a good introduction and helped guide our understanding of Season 2. Season 3 has already been guaranteed.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 17 2019 11:08 am
Anson Mount as Christopher Pike is wonderful, funny and animated, interesting since Jeffrey Hunter was allegedly too quiet and contemplative in playing Pike. That, apparently, drove them to Shatner's portrayal of Kirk.
Yes, Season 2 is much better. I'm really enjoying it, and it's starting to tie in with the rest of Trek.
S2E8 was wonderful.
Discovery is the Star Trek I've been wanting for a very long time. Season 1 was a good introduction and helped guide our
understanding of Season 2. Season 3 has already been guaranteed.
Dream Master
Discovery is the Star Trek I've been wanting for a very long time. Season
i really hated that first episode or so, with that asian captain. i hated everything about it. but later one things got better and i'm enjoying it. still, for a prequel they have way too much technology and other additions.
i really hated that first episode or so, with that asian captain. i hated everything about it. but later one things got better and i'm enjoying it. still, for a prequel they have way too much technology and other additions.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 17 2019 01:07 pm
Discovery is the Star Trek I've been wanting for a very long time. Season
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original series?
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: MRO to Dream Master on Sun Mar 17 2019 08:55 pm
i really hated that first episode or so, with that asian captain. i hated everything about it. but later one things got better and i'm enjoying it. still, for a prequel they have way too much technology and other additions.
MRO, it provided backstory to Michael's role as well as set Georgiou up for the "Mirror, Mirror" remake. With how they played
Michelle Yeoh is a goddamn treasure and Discovery is lucky to have her.
Michelle Yeoh is a goddamn treasure and Discovery is lucky to have
her.
I agree. Her ability to play the character the first season when she was re-introduced in the "Mirror, Mirror" clone was amazing. With her role in the second season, I'm anxious to see where this is going.
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original
series?
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the original series.
Michelle Yeoh is a goddamn treasure and Discovery is lucky to have
her.
I agree. Her ability to play the character the first season when she was re-introduced in the "Mirror, Mirror" clone was amazing. With her role in the second season, I'm anxious to see where this is going.
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original series?
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:59 pm
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original series?
Why not? Although I shouldn't, Star Wars is essentially a space western while Star Trek is about the human and scientific element put together.
When Star Wars 1-3 came out, I was happy to see the backstory but I already knew what was going to happen. With Star Trek, these seasons have no bearing on the future (shows).
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original
series?
Why not? Although I shouldn't, Star Wars is essentially a space western while Star Trek is about the human and scientific element put together. When Star Wars 1-3 came out, I was happy to see the backstory but I already knew what was going to happen. With Star Trek, these seasons have no bearing on the future (shows).
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original series?
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the original series.
I've always liked Star Trek, but what I'd rather see is something continuing after 'Nemesis', or something that covers the time between the original series and the Next Generation, perhaps focusing on the Enterprise C or D.
The Enterprise B and C have each only been shown once in an official Star Trek show or movie, and after such a tease, I'd be curious to see more. Or something continuing the story into the future after the events of Nemesis..
The Enterprise B and C have each only been shown once in an official
Star Trek show or movie, and after such a tease, I'd be curious to see
more. Or
something continuing the story into the future after the events of Nemesis.
I feel like C isn't entirely worthy of its own series. It didn't last long, and we know where it's headed. B could be interesting to explore, but again... it's an intermediate period.
I do agree with you in that I'd love to see something NEW, something post-Nemesis. I guess we're getting that with the Picard series, though I'd also like to check out a new crew, a new ship, and an open-ended series where we don't already know how it's going to end. We'll be getting super advanced, though, at that point. Start butting up agains the whole
Starfleet timeship nonsense we saw in Voyager and Enterprise and, honestly, I'm a bit tired with the whole time travel thing. I was actually
disappointed that the Red Angel in Disco is supposedly a time traveler
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the
original series.
To be fair, WE'RE way more advanced than they were on the original series. I don't see anything wrong with the technology aspect of it. What bothers
me more is the stuff that mucks with canon. Like the uniforms that we've never seen before, or every third person being intimately familiar with Section 31. Or this whole emotional Spock never having been mentioned. You'd think that this part of his history would've been pretty well documented by Starfleet, and that McCoy, for example, would've been able to access his medical history to see this whole thing. But it doesn't seem like that's the case.
The Enterprise B and C have each only been shown once in an official Star Trek show or movie, and after such a tease, I'd be curious to see more. Or something continuing the story into the future after the events of Nemesis..
Hollywood is all about remaking classics. When they did the Star Trek reboot, I wanted to hate it but I couldn't. Releasing a new series that covers Enterprise B or C or something beyond Nemesis would be amazing but, how about we move forward 100 or 150 years. Just imagine what we could get out of it.
TOS - Loved (even though it was pretty campy)
TNG - Mostly Loved (everything after season 3)
DS9 - Hated (couldn't watch it)
VOY - Loved (once they dumped Kes and introduced 7)
ENT - Never watched (couldn't get into it)
From the movies, wasn't a fan of 1, but it was the 70s and you need to forgive everyone being on acid. LOL
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:26 pm
Michelle Yeoh is a goddamn treasure and Discovery is lucky to have
her.
I agree. Her ability to play the character the first season when she was re-introduced in the "Mirror, Mirror" clone was amazing. With her role in the second season, I'm anxious to see where this is going.
I think I first saw Michelle Yeoh in the movie Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and I think she's a good actress.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:59 pm
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original series?
Why not? Although I shouldn't, Star Wars is essentially a space western while Star Trek is about the human and scientific element put together. When Star Wars 1-3 came out, I was happy to see the backstory but I already knew what was going to happen. With Star Trek, these seasons have no bearing on the future (shows).
Unless you're talking a bout Deep Space 9 the Soap Opera Series ;-)
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the original series.
To be fair, WE'RE way more advanced than they were on the original series. I
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the
original series.
Michelle Yeoh is a goddamn treasure and Discovery is lucky to have
her.
I agree. Her ability to play the character the first season when
she was re-introduced in the "Mirror, Mirror" clone was amazing.
With her role in the second season, I'm anxious to see where this
is going.
I think I first saw Michelle Yeoh in the movie Crouching Tiger Hidden
Dragon, and I think she's a good actress.
well she was playing the part like a kindergarten teacher. i found those episodes with her in it hard to digest.
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the
original series.
I agree that both seemed to be to advanced also but it seems like they are changing so much but i understand the reasoning also
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to MRO on Tue Mar 19 2019 01:03 pm
Did you really want a Star Trek set 10 years before the original
series?
Why not? Although I shouldn't, Star Wars is essentially a space western while Star Trek is about the human and scientific element put together. When Star Wars 1-3 came out, I was happy to see the backstory but I already knew what was going to happen. With Star Trek, these seasons ha no bearing on the future (shows).
You quoted me, but you were replying to mro...
I've always liked Star Trek, but what I'd rather see is something continuing after 'Nemesis', or something that covers the time between the original seri and the Next Generation, perhaps focusing on the Enterprise C or D. I'm getting tired of all the prequels that Hollywood is producing (and reboots). We already had Enterprise, that took place about 100 years before the origin series, and now Discovery, which takes place about 10 years before the origi series. I suppose Discovery is interesting since it's a different ship and crew, but it's not something I would have chosen to see as the next Star Tre series.
The Enterprise B and C have each only been shown once in an official Star Tr show or movie, and after such a tease, I'd be curious to see more. Or something continuing the story into the future after the events of Nemesis..
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Tue Mar 19 2019 09:25 am
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:26 pm
Michelle Yeoh is a goddamn treasure and Discovery is lucky to have
her.
I agree. Her ability to play the character the first season when she was re-introduced in the "Mirror, Mirror" clone was amazing. With he role in the second season, I'm anxious to see where this is going.
I think I first saw Michelle Yeoh in the movie Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and I think she's a good actress.
well she was playing the part like a kindergarten teacher. i found those episodes with her in it hard to digest.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Mar 19 2019 09:10 am
they are so advanced it's not even like it's 10 years before the
original series.
I agree that both seemed to be to advanced also but it seems like they are changing so much but i understand the reasoning also
Brokenmind
On 03-19-19 15:15, Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-
I had the same thought about the Enterprise C, but that's about all we really know about the Enterprise C. It might still be interesting to
see something about its missions/voyages before it met its fate. And that's true about it being an intermediate period, but still, I think there was something like 70-100 years between the original series and
the Next Generation. When TNG came out, that was a period they had skipped entirely, so I was thinking it might be interesting to see more
of it. I also think the Enterprise B and C are good-looking ships, so from a technical standpoint, I think they could get some good shots of those ships in space, traveling at warp, etc. The Discovery is not so good looking, IMO.
I do agree with you in that I'd love to see something NEW, something post-Nemesis. I guess we're getting that with the Picard series, though I'd also like to check out a new crew, a new ship, and an open-ended series where we don't already know how it's going to end. We'll be getting super advanced, though, at that point. Start butting up agains the whole
That would be interesting too.
Starfleet timeship nonsense we saw in Voyager and Enterprise and, honestly, I'm a bit tired with the whole time travel thing. I was actually
Yeah, time travel has been used quite a bit, maybe too much.
disappointed that the Red Angel in Disco is supposedly a time traveler
Thanks for the spoiler, I have only watched the first 3 or 4 episodes
of Discovery season 2 so far. ;)
On 03-19-19 15:20, Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-
True, but making a prequel with more advanced technology doesn't really fit well into the canon. For instance, they had flat-panel computer displays on the Enterprise NX-01 but the Enterprise 1701 had displays
that looked like CRTs? It just doesn't fit right.
That stuff does seem a bit weird, but I don't think it's entirely implausable. With Discovery, they're telling a story that came before
the original series, and how did we know things like Spock's emotional state didn't happen? One thing I do find a bit strange is that Spock never mentioned having an adopted human sister. And they messed with
the Klingons (again).
On 03-19-19 19:36, Dream Master wrote to Nightfox <=-
Hollywood is all about remaking classics. When they did the Star Trek
reboot, I wanted to hate it but I couldn't. Releasing a new series
that covers Enterprise B or C or something beyond Nemesis would be
amazing but, how about we move forward 100 or 150 years. Just imagine what we could get out of it.
TOS - Loved (even though it was pretty campy)
TNG - Mostly Loved (everything after season 3)
DS9 - Hated (couldn't watch it)
VOY - Loved (once they dumped Kes and introduced 7)
ENT - Never watched (couldn't get into it)
From the movies, wasn't a fan of 1, but it was the 70s and you need to forgive everyone being on acid. LOL
disappointed that the Red Angel in Disco is supposedly a time traveler
Thanks for the spoiler, I have only watched the first 3 or 4 episodes of Discovery season 2 so far. ;)
Oops. :D
Discovery would make a good pizza cutter though. :D
On 03-20-19 22:33, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yeah, we should probably keep it vague due to the nature of the tv
show's availability and a lot of people are catching up on it via binge watching.
On 03-20-19 21:29, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 2019 01:38 pm
Discovery would make a good pizza cutter though. :D
Someone actually makes a USS Enterprise pizza cutter that you can buy: https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/dea2/
On 03-19-19 15:15, Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-
I had the same thought about the Enterprise C, but that's about all we really know about the Enterprise C. It might still be interesting to see something about its missions/voyages before it met its fate. And that's true about it being an intermediate period, but still, I think there was something like 70-100 years between the original series and
There's a number of events that happened in this period that could be explor like the treaty with the Romulans, which banned the Federation from developi cloaking technology, for one. What were the circumstances surround that? A I'm sure there were other significant events during the Enterprise B or C er that could be explored in more detail.
the Next Generation. When TNG came out, that was a period they had skipped entirely, so I was thinking it might be interesting to see more of it. I also think the Enterprise B and C are good-looking ships, so from a technical standpoint, I think they could get some good shots of those ships in space, traveling at warp, etc. The Discovery is not so good looking, IMO.
Discovery would make a good pizza cutter though. :D
I do agree with you in that I'd love to see something NEW, something post-Nemesis. I guess we're getting that with the Picard series, though I'd also like to check out a new crew, a new ship, and an open-ended series where we don't already know how it's going to end. We'll be gett super advanced, though, at that point. Start butting up agains the whol
That would be interesting too.
Yes, it would. There's the birth of regular time travel (in use by historia by the 26th century), which no doubt would have a lot of issues surrpunding
And I quite liked the idea of the "Federation" series that was floated once years ago, set around the 30th centure, with the Federation in decline and entering a crisis that forces it to rediscover itself.
Starfleet timeship nonsense we saw in Voyager and Enterprise and, honestly, I'm a bit tired with the whole time travel thing. I was actua
Yeah, time travel has been used quite a bit, maybe too much.
disappointed that the Red Angel in Disco is supposedly a time traveler
Thanks for the spoiler, I have only watched the first 3 or 4 episodes of Discovery season 2 so far. ;)
Oops. :D
... File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda series was sort of a "what if" a Federation type system fell into collapse, and a captain and his ship from the golden era reappeared 300 years later.
As for the reboot movies, the first one was good as a movie, but it didn't feel like Trek, except that the casting was very good. The second one was OK, though Khan and the augments have been done to death now (Space Seed and Wrath of Khan are hard to beat together as a bigger story). I found the third reboot movie mostly dull for a movie.
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda series was sort of a "what if" a Federation type system fell into collapse, and a captain and his ship from the golden era reappeared 300 years later.
I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
But, augments versus Borg - I'd watch that!
On 03-21-19 09:16, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda series was sort of a "what if" a
Federation type system fell into collapse, and a captain and his ship
from the golden era reappeared 300 years later.
On 03-21-19 10:04, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
On 03-21-19 16:41, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
With all of the time travel and reboots, someone could make the
alternate timeline where the dominion won the war (as per Dr. Bashir
and associate's predictions) and an uprising begins on earth hundreds
of years in the future.
On 03-21-19 16:42, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
But, augments versus Borg - I'd watch that!
Another good series. I enjoyed Andromeda too. And yes, that does somewhat
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Sun Mar 24 2019 07:51 am
Another good series. I enjoyed Andromeda too. And yes, that does somewh
I also enjoyed Andromeda also. I loved Star Trek , STG , SB5 also but i also really loved Babylon 5.... I actually have that entire series on vudu. I als liked Battlestar Galactica
Brokenmind
Which version of BSG? I liked the original because it was the classic TV space opera with established TV cliche's, but I also liked the reboot because it took the series in a ddiferent direction. The latter part of the series ap peared to suffer from either lack of attention span from the writers or they ran out of steam when trying to tie things up.
On 03-24-19 07:09, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I also enjoyed Andromeda also. I loved Star Trek , STG , SB5 also but i also really loved Babylon 5.... I actually have that entire series on vudu. I also liked Battlestar Galactica
I also enjoyed Andromeda also. I loved Star Trek , STG , SB5 also but i also really loved Babylon 5.... I actually have that entire series on vudu. I also liked Battlestar Galactica
Absolutely love B5, watch that over and over again (got the DVDs). I couldn't get into the (new) Battlestar Galactica. I found it rather dull for the most part, and couldn't get past the second season.
Dream Master wrote to Moondog <=-
Oh well... then again, Caprica was great and ended too soon.
Absolutely love B5, watch that over and over again (got the DVDs). I couldn't get into the (new) Battlestar Galactica. I found it rather dull for the most part, and couldn't get past the second season.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Mon Mar 25 2019 09:48:00
I also enjoyed Andromeda also. I loved Star Trek , STG , SB5 also bu also really loved Babylon 5.... I actually have that entire series o vudu. I also liked Battlestar Galactica
Absolutely love B5, watch that over and over again (got the DVDs). I couldn't get into the (new) Battlestar Galactica. I found it rather dull for the most part, and couldn't get past the second season.
Babylon 5 was my jam back in the day. Loved that show. Watched it recently, some of the effects don't really hold up, but it's still an amazing, character-driven series.
Derision wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Babylon 5 was my jam back in the day. Loved that show. Watched it recently, some of the effects don't really hold up, but it's still an amazing, character-driven series.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it has some depressing parts that go on for a long time but i love to binge watch bsg once a year.
Moondog wrote to Derision <=-
mystery is created with no resolution and the game begins creating two more questions for every question answered. Lost fell in that
category, and BSG did too.
Which version of BSG? I liked the original because it was the classic TV space opera with established TV cliche's, but I also liked the reboot because it took the series in a ddiferent direction. The latter part of the series ap peared to suffer from either lack of attention span from the writers or they ran out of steam when trying to tie things up.I liked the original better but I also enjoyed the reboot for the most part but i agree with you near the end of the reboot it did seem to run out of steam and to be honest i did not like the ending..
On 03-25-19 19:09, Derision wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Babylon 5 was my jam back in the day. Loved that show. Watched it recently, some of the effects don't really hold up, but it's still an amazing, character-driven series.
On 03-26-19 00:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it has some depressing parts that go on for a long time but i love to binge watch bsg once a year.
On 03-25-19 09:44, Moondog wrote to Brokenmind <=-
Which version of BSG? I liked the original because it was the classic
TV space opera with established TV cliche's, but I also liked the
reboot because it took the series in a ddiferent direction. The latter part of the series ap peared to suffer from either lack of attention
span from the writers or they ran out of steam when trying to tie
things up.
Babylon 5 was my jam back in the day. Loved that show. Watched it recently, some of the effects don't really hold up, but it's still an amazing, character-driven series.
Moondog wrote to Derision <=-
mystery is created with no resolution and the game begins creating two more questions for every question answered. Lost fell in that category, and BSG did too.
One of the interesting ideas they floated for BSG was to have the
Galactica crash-land on earth and have present day man discover it
buried in Africa. That would have been an interesting story.
... Do you know where you are?Forgot where I heard it, but at one time there was an idea to resurrect the ol rd BSG with a prequel series that leads into a successor series which centers on the first colony on Earth and the discovery of the colnist ship on the bottom of the ocean. The lead-in for the series would be where Galactica
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Derision to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 25 2019 19:09:57
Babylon 5 was my jam back in the day. Loved that show. Watched it recently, some of the effects don't really hold up, but it's still an amazing, character-driven series.
Those were the days.... Amiga 2000 video toaster and Novell Netware :) Only that I respect and enjoy B5... even today.
I had an Amiga 2000 with Video Toaster back in the days... and Novell Netwar Nice memories. I have a 2000 now and a 4000 in my retro collection. Love it. The video capabilities were unbelievable for that era.
HAWKEYE
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Those were the days.... Amiga 2000 video toaster and Novell Netware :) Only for that I respect and enjoy B5... even today.
I had an Amiga 2000 with Video Toaster back in the days... and Novell Netware. Nice memories. I have a 2000 now and a 4000 in my retro collection. Love it. The video capabilities were unbelievable for that era. HAWKEYE
Hawkeye wrote to Derision <=-
I had an Amiga 2000 with Video Toaster back in the days... and Novell Netware. Nice memories. I have a 2000 now and a 4000 in my retro collection. Love it. The video capabilities were unbelievable for that era. HAWKEYE
Loved Novell Netware. Hated SCSI back then, but a properly tuned array
on Novell with Elevator seeking was a beauty to behold.
I still find it amazing the quality of animation and visual effects created by
consumer grade hardware and software. I've been watching some Trek fan fiction lately and some of the productions are very well done. I've run into a few that rely heavily on green screen backdrops, and some take awhile to tell apart from practical effects.
I never really used Amiga very much back in the day, but sometimes I've thought it might be fun to collect some retro
computers in working condition.. But then, I'm not sure what I'd use them for, and I'd rather not have stuff like that taking up
space in my house..
On 03-27-19 09:45, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Hawkeye <=-
Loved Novell Netware. Hated SCSI back then, but a properly tuned array
on Novell with Elevator seeking was a beauty to behold.
On 03-27-19 12:50, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I remember SCSI being fairly high-end back in the day. For a long time
I wanted to "upgrade" from IDE to SCSI, and in the late 90s I bought an Adaptec PCI SCSI controller (I think it was an Ultra SCSI 160) and I
think a 4GB hard hard drive to use with it. I felt like it was at
least a little faster than IDE, and I had heard SCSI was supposed to be
fairly reliable too. But in the end, I think SCSI was just too
expensive, and SCSI seems to have been totally replaced by SATA now.
Also with SATA, I think the cables are cleaner. It's nice not to have
to deal with ribbon cables anymore.. And I seem to remember my SCSI
cable having 7 drive connectors on it (which all needed to be tucked
away if only using one drive), and SCSI also required a terminator on
the end of the cable.
I was just looking up SCSI Ultra160 again, and the page I found says
the SCSI Ultra160 standard is able to achieve up to 80MB/second. Seems funny now, since I've seen file copy speeds up to around 120MB/second going over my gigabit network at home.
If you bought 7200 RPM drives, you could get a bit better transfer speeds, and I think SCSI had other efficiencies.
In those days the Amiga 2000 was not consumer grade, it was professional. The national broadcast companies used Amiga 2000s with Video Toasters, those were 20k per machine. Back then the 8 MB upgrade would cost 1000 USD
Nowadays we can with the power of the processors do a lot with software. Look Adobe Premiere or Final Cut Pro.
On 03-27-19 17:20, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Was that true even compared to 7200 RPM IDE drives? I typically always bought 7200 RPM drives for the speed.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 08:21 am
If you bought 7200 RPM drives, you could get a bit better transfer speeds, and I think SCSI had other efficiencies.
Was that true even compared to 7200 RPM IDE drives? I typically always bought 7200 RPM drives for the speed.
I still find it amazing the quality of animation and visual effects create by
consumer grade hardware and software. I've been watching some Trek fan fiction lately and some of the productions are very well done. I've run i a few that rely heavily on green screen backdrops, and some take awhile to tell apart from practical effects.
In those days the Amiga 2000 was not consumer grade, it was professional. Th national broadcast companies used Amiga 2000s with Video Toasters, those wer 20k per machine. Back then the 8 MB upgrade would cost 1000 USD while PCs ha or 2 MB max. Yes, the Amiga 500 and 2000 could also be used for gaming but t expansion cards you could buy were really for professionals, look also at NA using 2000, 2500, 3000 and 4000s.
They were versatile machines.
Nowadays we can with the power of the processors do a lot with software. Loo Adobe Premiere or Final Cut Pro.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Hawkeye to Moondog on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:16 pm
In those days the Amiga 2000 was not consumer grade, it was professiona The national broadcast companies used Amiga 2000s with Video Toasters, those were 20k per machine. Back then the 8 MB upgrade would cost 1000
I think it's interesting what was considered consumer grade vs. professional and that they charged so much more money for what was considered "professional". These days, pretty much anyone can record and edit a video put it up on YouTube - Is that because the technology has become cheaper, or just don't need all the extra hardware that was involved with something like Video Toaster for the Amiga? And sometimes I wonder if they just charged mo money by calling it "professional" because they could get away with that.
Nowadays we can with the power of the processors do a lot with software Look Adobe Premiere or Final Cut Pro.
I would often prefer a hardware-based solution so as not to tax the CPU too much. One instance is when PC motherbaords started including audio onboard, seem to remember reading that they were often codec-based and required more the software to process the audio, compared to a dedicated sound card. Thes days I'm not sure if that's still the case, or if it really matters much wit today's CPUs. It looks like many motherboards use Realtek audio chips, and not sure how much of the audio processing for those is done in the hardware software these days. I've seen some motherboards with onboard Sound Blaster audio and I wonder how much better that solution is compared to Realtek.
I had an Asus Xonar Xense audio card in my current PC, and I'm in the proces of building a new PC - I think I'm just going to use the onboard audio in th new one and see how that goes.
Nightfox
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I think everyone loved Novell, it was pretty robust.
As for SCSI, I
never really had any problems with it. Providing you got your cabling
and terminations right, no dramas.
late 90s/early 200os at work for servers, which were initially Windows boxes, but more Linux crept in over time. The Novell server I hardly touched, because it "just worked", until it was decommissioned when we streamlined the network and went to IP only.
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I agree at the time th Amiga 2000 was a premium workstation, however the line between commercial and consumer grade is questionable. It's nearest competitor was probably an Ampex system running for $75,000. Where I was going with the commercial comment iswith regards to modern day consumer
grade equipment.
I think it's interesting what was considered consumer grade vs. professional, and that they charged so much more money for what was considered "professional". These days, pretty much anyone can record and edit a video and put it up on YouTube - Is that because the technology has become cheaper, or we just don't need all the extra hardware that was involved with something like Video Toaster for the Amiga? And sometimes I wonder if they just charged more money by calling it "professional" because they could get away with that.
I would often prefer a hardware-based solution so as not to tax the CPU too much. One instance is when PC motherbaords started including audio onboard, I seem to remember reading that they were often codec-based and required more in the software to process the audio, compared to a dedicated sound card. These days I'm not sure if that's still the case, or if it really matters much with today's CPUs. It looks like many motherboards use Realtek audio chips, and I'm not sure how much of the audio processing for those is done in the hardware or software these days. I've seen some motherboards with onboard Sound Blaster audio and I wonder how much better that solution is compared to Realtek.
I had an Asus Xonar Xense audio card in my current PC, and I'm in the process of building a new PC - I think I'm just going to use the onboard audio in the new one and see how that goes.
I think you have to consider the fact that now all content is digital and very easy to edit. Back then all content was analog and had first to be digitised. The Amiga was able to do a lot realtime. Now computers have to take a digital file and edit it. To put this in perspective. 20 seconds mediocre sound would take 880kb on a floppy disk. Now compare this to 20 seconds 4K HDR video file uncompressed... a lot has changed and I'm happy for that but it was a nice time to be active in.
I have also wondered about this. You don't see SB often anymore in PCs. CPU have so much power nowadays.
I had an Asus Xonar Xense audio card in my current PC, and I'm in the
process of building a new PC - I think I'm just going to use the
onboard audio in the new one and see how that goes.
Curious if you can hear the difference. According some hardware magazines who measure the dB range they said there is almost no difference. hence the almost..
I have also wondered about this. You don't see SB often anymore in PCs. CPU have so much power nowadays.
That was also why I love the Amiga 2000. It was basically an Amiga 500 with featuring expansion board/bays. Even today they bring new cards out with new features like network, ide, sata, usb, etc... amazing.
Speaking of Amiga models, I saw tech show on Youtube reviewing an expansion kit known as the A1500. An Amiga enthusiast in the UK saw the board inside the 500 was capable of more expansion, but limited by it's chassis dimensions. The Checkmate A 1500 was an after market desktop case which allowed for dual floppies and a hard drive.
After being on the market for awhile, Commodore noticed a drop in sales of higher end models and released an official Amiga 1500 (with a similar form factor) in the UK to put Checkmate out of business.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Moondog to Hawkeye on Fri Mar 29 2019 11:39 am
Speaking of Amiga models, I saw tech show on Youtube reviewing an expansion kit known as the A1500. An Amiga enthusiast in the UK saw the board inside the 500 was capable of more expansion, but limited by it's chassis dimensions. The Checkmate A 1500 was an after market desktop ca which allowed for dual floppies and a hard drive.
After being on the market for awhile, Commodore noticed a drop in sales higher end models and released an official Amiga 1500 (with a similar f factor) in the UK to put Checkmate out of business.
Interesting.. I never used Amiga much, but I always thought their computer cases & such looked similar to IBM-compatible PC cases & things back in the day. It seemed like there could have been (or was?) a good market for aftermarket Amiga cases & such, and sometimes I've wondered if there could h been a market for Amiga-compatible clones and building your own Amiga comput like there is (and was) for IBM-compatible PCs. It looks like Amiga always preferred to keep their architecture closed, like Apple has done most of the time. I remember a brief period in the 90s when Apple allowed clones to be made, and Steve Jobs stopped that when he returned to Apple.
Nightfox
On 03-28-19 06:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I think everyone loved Novell, it was pretty robust.
What killed Novell, IMO, were the seat license fees. It was expensive
and worked amazingly well. Windows came around nowhere as reliable but comparatively cheap, and momentum shifted.
True - my problems with SCSI were with mis-matched consumer-grade
stuff on Mac, whereas running SCSI on a server where you're not mixing
and matching brands and external/internal devices was a different
beast.
Picture my Mac IIci with a 1GB external hard drive, 2GB DDS tape
drive, Syquest drive and a CD-ROM, with all of those centronics cables daisy chaining the devices. You'd have to have them in a specific
order or else it wouldn't work.
Loved Novell Netware. Hated SCSI back then, but a properly tuned array
on Novell with Elevator seeking was a beauty to behold.
really enjoyed, even if I didn't use all the features. In the mid-90s, I remember the Sound Blaster AWE32 came out, and it had onboard wavetable MIDI, and even had a couple of slots for standard memory modules so you
chassis dimensions. The Checkmate A 1500 was an after market desktop case
After being on the market for awhile, Commodore noticed a drop in sales of higher end models and released an official Amiga 1500 (with a similar form factor) in the UK to put Checkmate out of business.
Novell was very fast and stable for networks back in the days... SCSI was a
On 04-01-19 13:32, Dmxrob wrote to Hawkeye <=-
Novell was very fast and stable for networks back in the days... SCSI was a
Novell was ahead of its time in many ways. What killed Novell, in my opinion, was Active Directory. AD was lightyears ahead of Netware Directory Services.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Moondog to Hawkeye on Fri Mar 29 2019 11:39:00
chassis dimensions. The Checkmate A 1500 was an after market desktop ca
CheckMate was indeed selling as A1500. Actually in UK the Amiga A1500 even existed. It was a rebadged 2000.
The original 1500 is also on my wishlist for my collection. LOL
HAWKEYE
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Moondog to Hawkeye on Fri Mar 29 2019 11:39:00
After being on the market for awhile, Commodore noticed a drop in sales higher end models and released an official Amiga 1500 (with a similar f factor) in the UK to put Checkmate out of business.
True... and in 2019 they are BACK :) Bringing out a 3000 lookalike case... Commodore is not there to put them out of business now. I prefer the true re machines. But it is a nice project.
HAWKEYE
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Hawkeye to poindexter FORTRAN on
Novell was very fast and stable for networks back in the days... SCSI was
Novell was ahead of its time in many ways. What killed Novell, in my opinio was Active Directory. AD was lightyears ahead of Netware Directory Services
Novell was already being pushed out by Windows before AD came along.
Novell was ahead of its time in many ways. What killed Novell, in my opinion, was Active Directory. AD was lightyears ahead of Netware Directory Services.
Sunday I saw a video toaster card plus all the software for $200 on Craigslist. I don't have an Amiga, however it made me think of how far we've gone with video porduction software.
Novell was already being pushed out by Windows before AD came along.As someone who ran many Novell Networks I disagree. We didn't even look at
On 04-02-19 11:18, Dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-
As someone who ran many Novell Networks I disagree. We didn't even
look at Windows before AD was a reality. It wasn't until Windows 2000 came out that anyone gave a serious thought to using Windows.
On 04-02-19 11:18, Dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-
As someone who ran many Novell Networks I disagree. We didn't even look at Windows before AD was a reality. It wasn't until Windows 2000 came out that anyone gave a serious thought to using Windows.
Windows was starting to displace Novell in our network in the latter NT4 day AD was the finmal blow.
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Moondog wrote to Dmxrob <=-
AD, plus TCP/IP native Microsoft networking (goodbye IPX/SPX)
Moondog wrote to Dmxrob <=-
AD, plus TCP/IP native Microsoft networking (goodbye IPX/SPX)
I remember trying to get IPX/SPX, TCP/IP and Appletalk all
cooperating on the same wire. Running all IP is so much nicer.
... What do you think of the guests?Add Pathworks 95 for DEC systems and you'd have nasty protcol martini
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Dmxrob on Tue Apr
02 2019 06:50 am
I noticed this unexpected word-wrapping in your message and it got me looking into the word-wrap code for a bug in Ctrl-A code handling. It turns out, your message contained raw ANSI sequences, not Ctrl-A codes.
Can you double check what you have set in SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Subs->DOVE-Net Entertainment->Ctrl-A Codes?
Can you double check what you have set in SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Subs->DOVE-Net Entertainment->Ctrl-A Codes? I suspect you have it set to "Expand to ANSI". It should normally be set to "Leave in" (the default configuration on new installs).
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Digital Man to Dmxrob on Fri Apr 05 2019 02:33 pm
Can you double check what you have set in SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Subs->DOVE-Net Entertainment->Ctrl-A Codes?
I suspect you have it set to "Expand to ANSI". It should normally be set to
"Leave in" (the default configuration on new installs).
Just out of curiosity - is there anything equivalent for other networks (like, the FTN-based ones)? (I could be barking up the wrong tree here) I have found that a lot of messages with ANSI in them blow the message reader all over the place, most notably items that appear in the FSXNet_BOT area. Just curious if there's any sort of correlation (or something I should set to allow ANSI-ish messages to be displayed better).
Raw ANSI is just not very message-friendly, so it's generally discouraged from use in networked message areas.
On 04-04-19 08:42, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My experience is similar. Checking back with previous co-workers at
Novell shops, they switched to MS instead of going to Novell 5.
Another factor was Y2k was going on, and many older mainframe apps were being phased out. This helped in ditching mainframe to SPX/IPX
protocols and switch to a TCP/IP native networks.
On 04-02-19 19:48, Hawkeye wrote to Dmxrob <=-
True... Microsoft saw Banyan Vines Street Talk and this was very
scalable... so Microsoft bought it and implement this in Windows NT as domain controller Active Directory... What also was a big point is that Novell kept pushing IPX/SPX till version 4(!) while all customers were asking for a decent TCP/IP implementation. Microsoft knew this. They
acted Novell didn't. HAWKEYE
On 04-04-19 16:22, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
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Moondog wrote to Dmxrob <=-
AD, plus TCP/IP native Microsoft networking (goodbye IPX/SPX)
I remember trying to get IPX/SPX, TCP/IP and Appletalk all
cooperating on the same wire. Running all IP is so much nicer.
On 04-05-19 09:40, Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Add Pathworks 95 for DEC systems and you'd have nasty protcol martini
I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space
Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only
things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is
one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and over. :)
On 03-06-20 13:45, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Mar 24 2019 08:16 am
I'm not sure I'd say the augments have been done to death. Space
Seed, Wrath of Khan, and a few episodes in Enterprise are the only
things I remember that deal with the augments. The Borg, though, is
one thing I think was done to death in Voyager.
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and over. :)
What do you mean by "redo the meeting of the Borg"?
Difference is they didn't redo the meeting of the Borg over and
over. :)
What do you mean by "redo the meeting of the Borg"?
Well, Space Seed/Khan was originally done in TOS, and the Wrath of Khan idea was effectively resone in the second JJ Abrhams movie. We haven't had a rehash of an old Borg story..... yet!
On 03-06-20 21:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure what you meant about them having redone the meeting of the Borg previously though.. Do you mean how the Borg were introduced in
TNG, and then used time travel to put the Borg meeting humans earlier
into history?
I'm not sure what you meant about them having redone the meeting of
the Borg previously though.. Do you mean how the Borg were
introduced in TNG, and then used time travel to put the Borg meeting
humans earlier into history?
I mean they didn't reboot that story in another movie, like they did with Khan.
On 03-07-20 11:47, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I mean they didn't reboot that story in another movie, like they did with Khan.
True. The reboot movies are in the TOS era though, and the Borg are
more in the TNG era.
I had heard the 4th reboot Star Trek movie was in trouble because Chris Pine and several other actors decided not to do it. But I think I
heard they may have changed their mind and decided to do it. I'm glad
to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once they've finished with it.
On 03-09-20 12:40, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That might be a tough thing to do now that the Picard show has started.
The Picard show is in the main timeline, and they have continued with
the idea that Romulus was destroyed. So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
So if they make a movie where
that was undone, that might complicate things a bit.
Timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly and all that.
I think it's interesting that the Terminator franchise has handled meddling with the timeline well. Apparently the tide of the war changed from Skynet winning to one where humans were fighting back, and in the newest installment, Skynet never existed.
I think it's interesting that the Terminator franchise has handled meddling with the timeline well. Apparently the tide of the war changed from Skynet winning to one where humans were fighting back, and in the newest installment, Skynet never existed.
VK3JED wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once
they've finished with it.
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they
did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before,
but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what
happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the
past has changed' type of reboot.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I
don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
What does ANY of this have to do with Disco??????
On 03-13-20 01:03, Lupine Furmen wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
What does ANY of this have to do with Disco??????
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed' type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had come be e design of the Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I'
D.
Nightfox
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had
come before.
And with the JJ Abrams movies, it seems the past did
change - The Vulcan home world was destroyed in the past, which is something they had to deal with.
Also, it seems the design of the
Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I've seen
online show the JJ Abrams Enterprise to be about as big as the
Enterprise D from the Next Generation. The original Enterprise was
quite a bit smaller than the Enterprise D.
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On 03-10-20 09:56, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
I almost commented on another message...
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE
and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed'
type of reboot.
Hmm, it has changed a lot, like the destruction of Vulcan. So I don't quite follow your logic. It is a different timeline.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had
come before.
You mean Picard?
Well my point is that the past DID change, but instead of pretending
the old didn't happen, 'old Spock' was still there and still had his memories, etc. That was a way of saying it DID happen - to him at
least - so it wasn't wiped away from that point of view.
Now, that being said, when does Picard happen? Is it pre-Abrams?
Or post? Or what?
On 03-14-20 09:36, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
So 'we' as viewers have already seen the old timeline and now we are seeing the new one. Yes, it 'wipes away' the old one, but doesn't
change all the memories, tapes, DVR's, etc. of the old shows. That
stuff is wiped away 'in universe' but it also DID happen as well,
for US.
Thank any clearer? :-)
You mean Picard?
No, I was referring to the JJ Abrams movies. When I saw the 2009 Star Trek, I had assumed they changed the past by having Nero sent back into the past and destroying the Vulcan home planet. I'd think everything after that would have been changed, so I wasn't sure where the Original Series movies, The Next Generation DS9, Voyager, etc. stood after that. But then I heard they had explained it somehow that the JJ Abrams movies are in a different timeline and the main timeline still exists (albeit with the Romulan home world destroyed). I've heard the Picard series is supposed to be in the main timeline.
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Picard has been an excellent series, by the way. The final episode of Season 1 streams on Thursday.
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to VK3JED on Tue Mar 10 2020 09:56 am
I haven't watched Picard yet, but I do think it's cool the WAY they did the Abrams movies... It did NOT undo all that had come before, but with the whole time travel thing we were able to see what happened BEFORE and then see it happen AGAIN, as opposed to a 'the past has changed' type of reboot.
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had come before.
You mean Picard?
And with the JJ Abrams movies, it seems the past did
change - The Vulcan home world was destroyed in the past, which is something they had to deal with.
Well my point is that the past DID change, but instead of pretending
the old didn't happen, 'old Spock' was still there and still had his memories, etc. That was a way of saying it DID happen - to him at
least - so it wasn't wiped away from that point of view.
Now, that being said, when does Picard happen? Is it pre-Abrams?
Or post? Or what?
Also, it seems the design of the
Enterprise changed a bit. A lot of schematics & drawings I've seen online show the JJ Abrams Enterprise to be about as big as the Enterprise D from the Next Generation. The original Enterprise was quite a bit smaller than the Enterprise D.
I'll take your word for it. :-) I've never been into the specs of
it. :-)
... And on the 8th day God said, "Murphy, you're in charge."
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Sat Mar 14 2020 09:33 am
I don't remember how they worked it out that it didn't undo what had
come before.
You mean Picard?
No, I was referring to the JJ Abrams movies. When I saw the 2009 Star Trek, wasn't sure where the Original Series movies, The Next Generation DS9, Voyag he Romulan home world destroyed). I've heard the Picard series is supposed
Well my point is that the past DID change, but instead of pretending the old didn't happen, 'old Spock' was still there and still had his memories, etc. That was a way of saying it DID happen - to him at
least - so it wasn't wiped away from that point of view.
Yep. And Old Spock was sent into the past (and into the JJ Abrams Star Trek
Now, that being said, when does Picard happen? Is it pre-Abrams?
Or post? Or what?
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20 years or
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:02 pm
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Sta Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always ha
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that se ts future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. nd Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again,
Picard has been an excellent series, by the way. The final episode of Season 1 streams on Thursday.
Yep, I've been enjoying Picard.
Nightfox
On 03-23-20 19:33, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
On the TOS episode City on the Edge of Forever, the Guardian somehow exists
outside of time, so the crew was aware of the damage McCoy did in the past
(America stays neutral in WWII, Germany wins, and no Starfleet or Enterprise to beam them up.)
In First Contact the Enterprise views the effects of the Borg going
back in ti me right before they are pulled back in time.
The Enterprise was already in the temporal vortex when that happened, which protected them from the effects of the change.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
In Assignment Earth though, Gary 7's work is necessary to prevent the timeline
from going astray. This establishes a pre-destined future where
whatever acts in the past affect the main timeline downstream.
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before. For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival of the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again, it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 23 2020 01:42 pm
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, th seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather t creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
Trek has a long, storied history of retconning things. :)
DaiTengu
... Pros are those who do their jobs well, even when they don't feel like it
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
years or so after Nemesis.
I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
years or so after Nemesis.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 26 2020 04:11 am
>> I've heard Picard is supposed to be in the main timeline, about 20
>> years or so after Nemesis.
Tr> I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go
Tr> either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died, etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can
go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died,
etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I meant that if it was the Kelvin timeline or the old main timeline.
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Mar 27 2020 09:29 am
I'm pretty sure it's intentionally left abstract, so that they can Tr>> go either way... probably to avoid royalties or some such BS.
I thought Picard or someone else actually said how long ago Data died,
etc.. I didn't think the point in the timeline had been left abstract.
I meant that if it was the Kelvin timeline or the old main timeline.
Ah.. Even then, I thought the Picard show was fairly clearly in the main ti
Nightfox
I had heard the 4th reboot Star Trek movie was in trouble because Chris Pine and several other actors decided not to do it. But I think I heard they may have changed their mind and decided to do it. I'm glad to see Discovery and Picard are at least supposed to be in the main timeline though.
Yes, I'm also glad the series are continuing with the main timeline. I would like to see a movie that undoes the alternate timeline, once they've finished with it.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:02 pm
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi. Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Yes, although if the JJ Abrams/Kelvin movies are their own universe, that seems inconsistent with how Star Trek has dealt with time travel before.
For instance, in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", the arrival of the Enterprise C 22 years into its future changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate unvierse. There have been many other episodes of Star Trek dealing with time travel as well.. There was the TNG 2-part episode where they went back in time to the late 1800s, and they found Data's head in a cave, which had been there since the late 1800s (again, it changed the timeline rather than creating an alternate universe).
On 03-29-20 08:50, Prime wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ever since I watched the first reboot movie, I have been firmly
convinced that the entire timeline is just Spock in it for the lulz. I mean, in the timeline he's from, it has been demonstrated that even shortly after coming back from the dead, he has the mental capacity to
do the calculations needed to intentionally travel through time. Given
that, he has everything he needs to just go undo the entire situation,
any time he wants. He just needed a vaction and a chance to harrass
Kirk for a while. :-P
DAITENGU wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
"Multiple Universes" is a pretty normal thing across all of Sci-fi.
Star Trek has even dealt with it on occasion (the Mirror Universe being the most prominent example). When Nero/Spock were tossed back in time
a new universe/timeline was created (It's been dubbed the "Kelvin Timeline" named after the ship Nero first encounters on which Kirk was born). The regular Trek timeline continued (Romulus was destroyed) as
it always has.
Star Trek Picard does take place about 20 years after Nemisis, and 13 years after the destruction of Romulus. It knows nothing of the Kelvin Timeline because, well, how could it?
Picard has been an excellent series, by the way. The final episode of Season 1 streams on Thursday.
My least favorite star trek. I actually stopped watching it but my wife was sort of into it and wanted to continue so occasionally we watch it but I`ll be
glad when it's over.
I know that star trek has never been too "hard core" science fiction, that is leaning more toward the fiction and less toward the science but this new show just makes me cringe when they bring up fantasy elements like "time crystals".
Also there was one episode where (forgetting almost all of the details here) there was something going on far away and they said it would take them years to
get there but I did the math in my head given they're at warp 5 (which in an earlier episode they used so I know they have warp 5 at least) it would have taken about a month which in space travel terms is a short hop.
Oh, and one scene where one of the bridge crew said "The computer thought we were upside down". I was thinking... what the hell does "upside down" mean in
the context of space. and why would the computer care anyway?
I try to disregard all that kind of stuff and focus on the story but it's really taxing my ability to suspend disbelief.
I know a show like this has to balance realism with telling a story line but the one area were they opted for more realism was with Klingons actually speaking Klingon in the absense of a universal translator (no starfleet person
around) but that`s one area I would prefer they just speak english because I know they`re speaking Klingon but we're the audience and the whole story is told for our benefit.
at this point. Most of the rest of
cast are better written at least.
at this point. Most of the rest of
cast are better written at least.
including the woman with the red hair
who they try to make "chatty" but its
like her monologues come out of the
beginners guide to writing annoying
sidekIcks. she doesnt even say much
either, just rattles it all off to make
it try to sound like a lot but it falls
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
I'm okay with the Klingon as long as there's non-english subs.
My biggest issue is the character development for the lead character is absolutely absent. Time after time after time this character just does
what they decide is best, completely ignoring the chain of command or anything resembling an honor code. It's probably the only thing that's consistent in her character. She's like the a concentrated abstraction
of everything wrong with youth in someone who should have learned better
at this point. Most of the rest of the cast are better written at least.
--
Michael J. Ryan
tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS
You take that back. Tilly is the best character in Discovery, and I will fi anyone who disagrees!
You take that back. Tilly is the best character in Discovery, and I will fight anyone who disagrees!
including the woman with the red hair
who they try to make "chatty" but its
like her monologues come out of the
beginners guide to writing annoying
sidekIcks. she doesnt even say much
either, just rattles it all off to make
it try to sound like a lot but it falls
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
You take that back. Tilly is the best character in Discovery, and I
will fight anyone who disagrees!
I also like Tilly in Discovery.
Ha, i mean she's no riker or spock that's for sure. her command would be
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Mantrid to Bob Roberts on Wed Jan 06 2021 12:01 am
Ha, i mean she's no riker or spock that's for sure. her command would b
It would be good to quote the part of the message you're replying to so we h some context to what you're talking about. Who is the "she" you're referrin to?
Nightfox
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to.
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Phigan to Mantrid on Sun Jan 17 2021 04:08 pm
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space then it's pretty good.
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to. I find Discovery an enjoyable and engaging sto that is giving each character more depth as the seasons go on. Calling it "Gays in Space" is a stretch. Haven't you thought that maybe in the future people will stop looking at each other as straight or gay but instead fluid?
Dream Master
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Mon Jan 18 2021 10:20 am
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing
whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every TV show these days do
whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you
either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
Nightfox
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Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
Dream Master wrote to Phigan <=-
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the
episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash,
rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to.
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ha, honestly if something was called "gays in space" i'd expect
something a lot more disco, like buck rogers turned up to 11, nothing below fabulous would be allowed
Mantrid wrote to Dream Master <=-
where's the exploration, the dilemmas, the character development, even
DS9 managed very nuanced and multilayered characters even thought it
was a very action-packed series around war (look at sisko's gradual
slide into being a war criminal versus quark's observations on the real ethics of humanity when their backs are against the wall)
Enterprise played with season-long story arcs with the Xindi story.
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Mon Jan 18 2021 04:57 pm
Enterprise played with season-long story arcs with the Xindi story.
That was probably my least favorite season of Enterprise. Knowing the whole season was going to deal with the Xindi, I got a bit bored with the storyline after a little while, and I wanted to see something different.
And Nog recuperating at Vic's. Loved that story.
enterprise was ran by some very disorganized confused people.
it took so long to get its footing. they constantly changed the theme song around to appease tv guide's complaints.
they ended it horribly with a holodeck episode.
Dream Master wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Sun Jan 17 2021 10:16 pm
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
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Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Mon Jan 18 2021 10:20 am
I watched one or two seasons of DS9, didn't care for it. Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs and they are more enjoyable than individual episodes.
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every
TV show these days doing whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
Other shows played better without one (albeit the inclusion of season-ending cliff-hangers):
ST: Voyager
ST: TNG
Or any show really
I'm not fond of the new Picard series. I really tried to enjoy it.
And I thought they only changed the theme song maybe once or twice.. I don't remember constant changes in the theme song.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Dream Master to Phigan on Sun Jan 17 2021 06:37 pm
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episode follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and rep formula everyone got use to.
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Phigan to Mantrid on Sun Jan 17 2021 04:08 pm
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space then it's pretty good.
ha, honestly if something was called "gays in space" i'd expect something a more disco, like buck rogers turned up to 11, nothing below fabulous would b allowed
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calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every
TV show these days doing whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
I'm with you there brother. I miss the terminal episode. Though,
honestly, some shows play better with an arc. It does bug me that
they always end with a cliffhanger:
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
And I thought they only changed the theme song maybe once or twice.. I don't remember constant changes in the theme song.
i binge watched it last month. they changed it about 4 times.
sometimes it was little changes of tempo.
On 01-17-21 18:37, Dream Master wrote to Phigan <=-
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the
episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash,
rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to. I find Discovery an enjoyable and engaging story that is giving each character more depth
as the seasons go on. Calling it "Gays in Space" is a stretch.
Haven't you thought that maybe in the future people will stop looking
at each other as straight or gay but instead fluid?
On 01-17-21 22:16, Nightfox wrote to Dream Master <=-
That's a little stretch. Discovery is the anti-Trek in that the episodes follow a season-based arc instead of a per-episode wash, rinse, and repeat formula everyone got use to.
Didn't Deep Space 9 do season arcs too?
Also, Star Trek: Picard is doing whole-season arcs too.
On 01-18-21 08:10, Mantrid wrote to Phigan <=-
ha, honestly if something was called "gays in space" i'd expect
something a lot more disco, like buck rogers turned up to 11, nothing below fabulous would be allowed
On 01-19-21 08:28, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I thought the first couple seasons were alright, and I thought season 4 was pretty good (though ending it like they did with the holodeck
seemed a little weird).
And I thought they only changed the theme song maybe once or twice.. I
My favorite "reset" nitpick is when a ship survives a battle and has received 87% structural damage and will require a tow to the next starbase, then is magically in tip top shape by the next week. Voyager would piss me off because of this. I recall one episode where the Hirogen turned then entire ship into large multi-deck holodecks for hunting down and reviving crew members over and over, then the next week the ship didn't appear to have been gutted and modified. I imagine if the Borg transform a ship into their technology, it can't be reset to defaults easily either.
Gamgee wrote to calcmandan <=-
calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Lately there have been times when I've felt tired of pretty much every
TV show these days doing whole-season story arcs. You can't miss an episode and jump in anywhere anymore. And you either watch the whole season or nothing. Episodes can often end with a cliffhanger.
I'm with you there brother. I miss the terminal episode. Though,
honestly, some shows play better with an arc. It does bug me that
they always end with a cliffhanger:
Breaking Bad
I didn't think this ended with a cliffhanger. Walt is dead, and Jesse gets away. His later doings are chronicled in the movie "El Camino".
Better Call Saul
Not over yet. I believe a new season is about to start, or will be opening on Netflix, soon. Need to check on the status of this...
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Tue Jan 19 2021 03:43 pm
Other shows played better without one (albeit the inclusion of season-ending cliff-hangers):
ST: Voyager
ST: TNG
Or any show really
Some shows (including the above mentioned) had 2-part episodes. Those were the days when they had to say "To be continued..." at the end of
the episode, because episodes were usually stand-alone stories. Star Trek: Enterprise had 3-episode story arcs a couple times.
Phigan wrote to Mantrid <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: Mantrid to Tracker1 on Sun Jan 03 2021 04:32 pm
flat and uncomfortable, has the be the
biggest "why are you here" character in
discovery, and this is discovery so
that's saying an awful lot
Just pretend it's not a Trek show and it's actually called "Gays In Space", then it's pretty good.
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By the time Enterprise came out, I was burned out on star trek. Having grown up with it, and at one point, there was not a single hour of the evening where there wasn't a star trek playing.
I may give it a shot at some point.
My biggest issue is the character development for the lead character is
absolutely absent. Time after time after time this character just does
what they decide is best, completely ignoring the chain of command or
anything resembling an honor code. It's probably the only thing that's
consistent in her character. She's like the a concentrated abstraction
of everything wrong with youth in someone who should have learned better
at this point. Most of the rest of the cast are better written at least.
I used to have a supervisor who liked slogans, such as "learning by doing," and "do it right the first time." I tried to explain part of learning is the bitter sting of making mistakes, and doing things right the first time doesn't prove you're learing anything except you haven't made a mistake yet. He had nothing to throw back at me.
And they made her #1. Shes a freaking Ensign and now she's second to the Captain. It makes no sense! The other bridge officers are like happy and smiling that she got the job. Oh, I'm sure they're thrilled that their
years of starfleet career just got overlooked so some chatty redhead could run the ship.
On the other hand, there are some other long-running shows that I haven't watched in years, such as
The Simpsons and South Park..
On the other hand, there are some other long-running shows that I
haven't watched in years, such as The Simpsons and South Park..
Awww. Give South Park another shot. Maybe try "The South Park Pandemic Special" on HBOMax.
I burned out on the Simpsons awhile ago. They still get recorded but the number of episodes waiting for me keeps growing and growing.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any thoughts on Disco
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Wed Jan 20 2021 02:23 pm
By the time Enterprise came out, I was burned out on star trek. Having grown up with it, and at one point, there was not a single hour of the evening where there wasn't a star trek playing.
I may give it a shot at some point.
I've never felt burned out with Star Trek. I've always liked it and
never really felt like I got tired of it.
On the other hand, there are some other long-running shows that I
haven't watched in years, such as The Simpsons and South Park..
I think I aged out of South Park and the Simpsons (which started when I was in high school mind you).
I never got into the simpsons but my wife used to check every week for new episodes, but that stopped around 2008. I haven't seen South Park since about then.
We cancelled cable in 2010. Cancelled Netflix in 2017. Talking
about cancelling Prime at the moment. We got nice antenna for broadcast tv but neither
of us watch that at all. Too many ads and most broadcast shows suck butthole.
I buy most dvd's at goodwill. And for anything fresh, there's putlocker and redbox. Yeah we're weird.
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