• Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Tue Feb 25 11:04:17 2020
    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny. Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create every possible melody (via MIDI) and released it all to the public domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this will really work.

    Article (shortened URL):
    https://bit.ly/2vj7l7o

    Full URL: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxepzw/musicians-algorithmically-generate-ev ery-possible-melody-release-them-to-public-domain

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 13:53:07 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:04 am

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny. Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create every possible melody
    (via MIDI) and released it all to the public domain to prevent musicians from being
    sued. I wonder if this will really work.

    I'd suspect not.

    I think programs cannot hold the copyright of the output they generate anyway.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Tue Feb 25 15:00:25 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 2020 01:53 pm

    domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this will
    really work.

    I'd suspect not.

    I think programs cannot hold the copyright of the output they generate anyway.

    Perhaps one could argue that whoever created the program/algorithm would own the copyright to the melodies it generates.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 17:26:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:04 am

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny. Two prog r if this will really work.

    Article (shortened URL):
    https://bit.ly/2vj7l7o

    Full URL: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxepzw/musicians-algorithmically-generate

    Nightfox


    That's intersting. I'd like to hear what the courts do with it. Awhile back I stumbled across a YouTube channel with an AI that assembles Swedish Death Metal tunes. It has some rudimentary understanding of scales, and the chord progressions and solos aren't horrible (at least for SDM.)

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  • From Pixel@VERT/NEONPLAZ to Nightfox on Tue Feb 25 17:46:32 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:04 am

    I heard about this today and thought it was interesting and funny.
    Two programmer-musicians created an algorithm & program to create
    every possible melody (via MIDI) and released it all to the public
    domain to prevent musicians from being sued. I wonder if this
    will
    really work.


    There are only so many combinations... someone was goign to do it eventually!

    Pixel.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Mar 16 05:54:30 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 26 2020 01:11 pm

    I was going to say, a monkey is a living thing whereas a piece of software is not.. I guess that wouldn't matter? What would it mean for a piece of software to own a copyright?

    Well, a monkey here has barely more rights than a hammer or power drill.

    If a kid breaks into your farm and starts beating the pigs with a stick and you punch him, you are likely got to have a broken case in court because you used force to stop somebody who was damaging property but not people.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 09:17:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon Mar 16 2020 05:54 am

    Re: Musicians generate all melodies & release them to public domain
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 26 2020 01:11 pm

    I was going to say, a monkey is a living thing whereas a piece of softwar is not.. I guess that wouldn't matter? What would it mean for a piece o software to own a copyright?

    Well, a monkey here has barely more rights than a hammer or power drill.

    If a kid breaks into your farm and starts beating the pigs with a stick and

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a push
    to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also carried over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no cash value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed, since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they didn't
    know it was a repo man.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Moondog on Tue Mar 17 11:14:50 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 09:17 am

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a push to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also carried over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no cash value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed, since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they didn't know it was a repo man.


    I have heard there are still laws in the deep south of the US stating that a cattle rustler may be hung. It suits me fine :-)

    But in the US you still have things like Castle Doctrine and Line on the Sand, so in some circumpstances you can protect your animals in scenarios where you are allowed to protect your property. If somebody attacks your horse in Spain, the most you can do is pull some illegal or improvised weapon knowing you are going to do jail time for him.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 23:06:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Mar 17 2020 11:14 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 09:17 am

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a pu to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also carrie over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no ca value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed, since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they didn't know it was a repo man.


    I have heard there are still laws in the deep south of the US stating that a

    But in the US you still have things like Castle Doctrine and Line on the San o is pull some illegal or improvised weapon knowing you are going to do jail

    Before the Castle Doctrine was made law in Michigan, the rule was attempt retreat. The judges then agreed if you are in your home, you are in your
    final retreat or castle. The rest is decided by the forensics guys.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sat Apr 4 12:10:29 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 11:06 pm

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Mar 17 2020 11:14 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Mar 17 2020 09:17 am

    Not sure if it has been overturned yet, but for years there has been a to remove a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect propert after sundown. This was orginally a cattle rustling law, but also car over to any possessions being removed your property. IIRC there was no value attached, so you could shoot a person in the act of taking spare change from your car. Repo men have been fighting to get this changed since part of
    their job involves recovering property, the owner could claim they did know it was a repo man.


    I have heard there are still laws in the deep south of the US stating tha

    But in the US you still have things like Castle Doctrine and Line on the o is pull some illegal or improvised weapon knowing you are going to do j

    Before the Castle Doctrine was made law in Michigan, the rule was attempt retreat. The judges then agreed if you are in your home, you are in your final retreat or castle. The rest is decided by the forensics guys.


    what i hate is how i cant boobytrap my garage to get people that break into it. i locked it down good now, but i lost 2 lawnmowers.

    my grandpa had his rigged so if you didnt hit a switch a bunch of metal bars fell on you.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Mon Apr 6 10:24:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Apr 04 2020 12:10 pm



    what i hate is how i cant boobytrap my garage to get people that break into i locked it down good now, but i lost 2 lawnmowers.

    my grandpa had his rigged so if you didnt hit a switch a bunch of metal bars fell on you.


    Booby traps do not discriminate against who they hurt or kill. An alarm
    system could protect as well as expose when a robber strikes.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Mon Apr 6 17:39:33 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Apr 06 2020 10:24 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Apr 04 2020 12:10 pm



    what i hate is how i cant boobytrap my garage to get people that break in i locked it down good now, but i lost 2 lawnmowers.

    my grandpa had his rigged so if you didnt hit a switch a bunch of metal b fell on you.


    Booby traps do not discriminate against who they hurt or kill. An alarm system could protect as well as expose when a robber strikes.


    alarm systems dont really protect. they make noise. they alert you.
    after having people steal my property i would like to give them something to remember me by.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Apr 6 17:06:38 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Apr 06 2020 05:39 pm

    alarm systems dont really protect. they make noise. they alert you.
    after having people steal my property i would like to give them something to remember me by.

    I think some alarm systems can also be set up to automatically call or alert the police if it detects a break-in so that the police can come into the area to hopefully catch the burglar. I've heard of alarms that do that silently the burglar is not alarted to the fact that the police are on the way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Moondog on Tue Apr 7 04:00:39 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Apr 06 2020 10:24 am

    Booby traps do not discriminate against who they hurt or kill. An alarm system could protect as well as expose when a robber strikes.


    Alarm systems are overrated.

    They are only useful if you have security people nearby to respond to the alarm. Most burglars can clean your house of valuables in less time than a response arrives.

    I am not saying alarm systems are a bad idea, but it is so much better to invest on bars, security doors, that sort of thing.... you know, things that make it harder to actually break in. Once you have that, you can think about an alarm.

    I say this because I have been a burglar's victm. Or would have, if the armored door had not withstood.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Nightfox on Tue Apr 7 09:19:05 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 06 2020 05:06 pm

    alarm systems dont really protect. they make noise. they alert you. after having people steal my property i would like to give them something to remember me by.

    I think some alarm systems can also be set up to automatically call or alert the police if it detects a break-in so that the police can come into the area to hopefully catch the burglar. I've heard of alarms that do that silently the burglar is not alarted to the fact that the police are on the way.

    Ring alarm systems are inexpensive, easy to set up, and alert the authorities.

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  • From ryan@VERT/MONTEREY to Arelor on Tue Apr 7 08:55:00 2020
    Alarm systems are overrated.

    I think a "Smile, you're on camera" sign is an effective deterrent.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Tue Apr 7 10:29:27 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Apr 07 2020 04:00 am

    I am not saying alarm systems are a bad idea, but it is so much better to invest on bars, security doors, that sort of thing.... you know, things that make it harder to actually break in. Once you have that, you can think about an alarm.

    Very few houses I've seen in the US have bars on the windows & such things. I've had the impression that fewer people in the US have to worry about that kind of thing compared to other countries. I've visited Brazil a few times, and I noticed many houses & apartment buildings there have gates around them to help prevent unwanted people from getting in. Few houses or apartment buildings in the US have a gate around them, that I've seen. At least, in my area..

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tue Apr 7 12:57:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Apr 06 2020 05:39 pm



    alarm systems dont really protect. they make noise. they alert you.
    after having people steal my property i would like to give them something to remember me by.


    Alarms are only a part of tiered strategy. You can probably find it online, but there is a chart with three bubbles overlappting - prevention, detection and correction. Alarms and cameras fall into the detection category. You cannot solve a problem if you don't know how it happened. Locks only keep
    the honest people out. Cameras and alarms let you know who and when you're be ing robbed. They also give you an idea how fast your defenses have been breeched, so you can plan to reinforce or add more protection.

    Back to locks and cameras and alarms, they are in place to slow down or make
    a would be intruder reconsider their actions. A neighbor had a break-in the other week, ans he had trail cameras by his barn and house on his second farm
    / rental property. The idiots had easily identifiable features, plus had a vehicle that was customized to be identified as well (tires, brush guard, windows decals.)

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to ryan on Tue Apr 7 13:53:00 2020
    ryan wrote to Arelor <=-

    Alarm systems are overrated.

    I think a "Smile, you're on camera" sign is an effective
    deterrent.

    Agreed. Perhaps a "Property insured by Smith & Wesson" sign can
    help too, in some areas. :-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Apr 7 17:51:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-

    I am not saying alarm systems are a bad idea, but it is so much better to invest on bars, security doors, that sort of thing.... you know, things that make it harder to actually break in. Once you have that, you can think about an alarm.

    Very few houses I've seen in the US have bars on the windows &
    such things. I've had the impression that fewer people in the US
    have to worry about that kind of thing compared to other
    countries. I've visited Brazil a few times, and I noticed many
    houses & apartment buildings there have gates around them to help
    prevent unwanted people from getting in. Few houses or apartment buildings in the US have a gate around them, that I've seen. At
    least, in my area..

    We have guns. ;-)



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Tue Apr 7 17:00:34 2020
    Re: Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue Apr 07 2020 05:51 pm

    Very few houses I've seen in the US have bars on the windows &
    such things. I've had the impression that fewer people in the US
    have to worry about that kind of thing compared to other
    countries. I've visited Brazil a few times, and I noticed many
    houses & apartment buildings there have gates around them to help
    prevent unwanted people from getting in. Few houses or apartment
    buildings in the US have a gate around them, that I've seen. At
    least, in my area..

    We have guns. ;-)

    But what if nobody is home?

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Apr 7 21:38:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Very few houses I've seen in the US have bars on the windows &
    such things. I've had the impression that fewer people in the US
    have to worry about that kind of thing compared to other
    countries. I've visited Brazil a few times, and I noticed many
    houses & apartment buildings there have gates around them to help
    prevent unwanted people from getting in. Few houses or apartment
    buildings in the US have a gate around them, that I've seen. At
    least, in my area..

    We have guns. ;-)

    But what if nobody is home?

    That's where the armed alarm system, with a cellular connection to
    a monitoring service, comes in. Alarm goes off, the service calls
    the local police to respond. I know that was already discussed,
    but that's about all you can do if nobody's home.



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  • From ryan@VERT/MONTEREY to Gamgee on Tue Apr 7 22:13:00 2020
    Agreed. Perhaps a "Property insured by Smith & Wesson" sign can
    help too, in some areas. :-)

    Hehe. Maybe an NRA sticker? I've actually heard of some people installing
    false cameras just to serve as deterrents.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed Apr 8 00:23:41 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Apr 07 2020 04:00 am


    Booby traps do not discriminate against who they hurt or kill. An alarm system could protect as well as expose when a robber strikes.


    Alarm systems are overrated.

    They are only useful if you have security people nearby to respond to the alarm. Most burglars can clean your house of valuables in less time than a response arrives.

    I am not saying alarm systems are a bad idea, but it is so much better to invest on bars, security doors, that sort of thing.... you know, things that make it harder to actually break in. Once you have that, you can think about alarm.

    I say this because I have been a burglar's victm. Or would have, if the armo


    yeah, most burglars take the easiest route for everything and they are in and out in a couple of minutes.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 8 00:26:03 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: The Lizard Master to Nightfox on Tue Apr 07 2020 09:19 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 06 2020 05:06 pm

    alarm systems dont really protect. they make noise. they alert you. after having people steal my property i would like to give them something to remember me by.

    I think some alarm systems can also be set up to automatically call or al the police if it detects a break-in so that the police can come into the area to hopefully catch the burglar. I've heard of alarms that do that silently the burglar is not alarted to the fact that the police are on th way.

    Ring alarm systems are inexpensive, easy to set up, and alert the authoritie


    well they are hundreds of dollars. and require a subscription. i went with arlo cams.

    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to ryan on Wed Apr 8 00:27:29 2020
    Re: Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: ryan to Arelor on Tue Apr 07 2020 08:55 am

    Alarm systems are overrated.

    I think a "Smile, you're on camera" sign is an effective deterrent.


    i have real cameras and then i got a bunch of fake ones with a light that comes on when it's dark. my real ones cover a lot of area but the fakes are very visible.

    i think the fake ones are a good deterrant for the type of thiefs in my area.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Tue Apr 7 23:40:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Apr 07 2020 10:29 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Tue Apr 07 2020 04:00 am

    I am not saying alarm systems are a bad idea, but it is so much better invest on bars, security doors, that sort of thing.... you know, things that make it harder to actually break in. Once you have that, you can think about an alarm.

    Very few houses I've seen in the US have bars on the windows & such things. es & apartment buildings there have gates around them to help prevent unwant

    Nightfox


    I never heard an explanation for it, but apparently robbers do not like to break windows. I think it has to do with dealing with broken glass. Unfortunately the assholes that broke into my friend's place did break a window. Some systems I've seen in office buildings listen for heavy impacts and the sound of breaking glass.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to ryan on Wed Apr 8 07:46:00 2020
    ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Agreed. Perhaps a "Property insured by Smith & Wesson" sign can
    help too, in some areas. :-)

    Hehe. Maybe an NRA sticker?

    Couldn't hurt!

    I've actually heard of some people
    installing false cameras just to serve as deterrents.

    Yes, I've heard of that too, and I bet it actually does prevent
    some crime.



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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to MRO on Wed Apr 8 09:17:20 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 00:26:03


    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.

    by the same token, wifi and cell signals can also be easily blocked... the transmitter power doesn't have to be that strong, either... it only needs to block/overwhelm the targetted system(s) and prevent comms for some time while the action is taking place... granted, it is an unlicensed transmitter and thus against federal law but criminals are criminals and what's one more law broken to them?


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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Wed Apr 8 16:21:41 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 12:26 am

    well they are hundreds of dollars. and require a subscription. i went with arlo cams.

    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.

    If someone is going to oceans 11 me, cut my power, and rob me, they will soon find out that it was not worth the effort.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 8 19:38:28 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: The Lizard Master to MRO on Wed Apr 08 2020 16:21:41


    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.

    If someone is going to oceans 11 me, cut my power, and rob me, they
    will soon find out that it was not worth the effort.

    what effort? a pair of wire cutters and a 1/4 inch nut driver... clip the lock thing on the meter base, remove the locking ring, open the base, pull the meter, done ;)


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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Rampage on Thu Apr 9 12:45:39 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Rampage to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 07:38 pm

    If someone is going to oceans 11 me, cut my power, and rob me, they will soon find out that it was not worth the effort.

    what effort? a pair of wire cutters and a 1/4 inch nut driver... clip the lock thing on the meter base, remove the locking ring, open the base, pull the meter, done ;)

    Lol, I meant more not the effort as in, sure, have at my record collection and old TV.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Rampage on Thu Apr 9 20:27:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Rampage to MRO on Wed Apr 08 2020 09:17 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 00:26:03


    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.

    by the same token, wifi and cell signals can also be easily blocked... the t ce... granted, it is an unlicensed transmitter and thus against federal law


    )\/(ark


    the druggee looking for items to pawn for heroin money is not going to construct a cell or wifi jammer. However, they may cut random cables going into your house in hopes of cutting off your cable internet. Place cameras
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  • From Arelor@VERT to MRO on Fri Apr 10 06:50:39 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 12:26 am

    I think some alarm systems can also be set up to automatically call or al the police if it detects a break-in so that the police can come into the area to hopefully catch the burglar. I've heard of alarms that do that silently the burglar is not alarted to the fact that the police are on th way.

    Ring alarm systems are inexpensive, easy to set up, and alert the authoritie


    well they are hundreds of dollars. and require a subscription. i went with arlo cams.

    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.


    Most comercial offerings for alarm systems I don't like. The agent of the security company will arrive to your premises with an idea of what they want to sell to you before they have seen your place.

    The only security company whose alarm offering I ever considered started advicing to reinforce the doors and set proper access control, then think about the alarm. That said, they were not a consumer grade company. More like the company you hire to protect a power plant.

    That said, security companies worth the oil needed to make them burn in hell have protocols for when they lose signal from the alarm system. They usually have more than one channel of communication. Some bypass the Internet even. You can beat any alarm with the right equipment but the good ones take more effort than just cutting a wire or two.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 09:47:42 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Rampage on Thu Apr 09 2020 08:27 pm

    the druggee looking for items to pawn for heroin money is not going to construct a cell or wifi jammer. However, they may cut random cables going into your house in hopes of cutting off your cable internet. Place cameras or IR motion detectors in those areas.

    A "Druggie" will break a window and be in and out with your TV, PC, or whatever they can grab in under 5 mins. If he/she sets an alarm off then under two.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to HusTler on Fri Apr 10 12:08:05 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: HusTler to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 2020 09:47 am

    A "Druggie" will break a window and be in and out with your TV, PC, or whatever they can grab in under 5 mins. If he/she sets an alarm off then under two.

    Good luck getting any of that out of my house. THere's so many cords and wires in the way of even moving things that he/she would have a hell of a time even if they tried to unplug them all.

    Not to mention a 93lb German Shepard (She's a little tubby) and a 135lb Alaskan Malamute to contend with.

    Oh, and my neighbor's two German Shepards. He's one of the local K9 officers for our city :)

    DaiTengu

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to HusTler on Fri Apr 10 13:49:36 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: HusTler to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 2020 09:47:42


    the druggee looking for items to pawn for heroin money is not going to construct a cell or wifi jammer. However, they may cut random cables going into your house in hopes of cutting off your cable internet. Place
    cameras or IR motion detectors in those areas.

    HusTler> A "Druggie" will break a window and be in and out with your TV, PC, or whatever they can grab in under 5 mins. If he/she sets an alarm off then under two.

    i didn't write that... somehow you replied to the wrong party...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to DaiTengu on Fri Apr 10 13:52:17 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Fri Apr 10 2020 12:08:05


    A "Druggie" will break a window and be in and out with your TV, PC, or whatever they can grab in under 5 mins. If he/she sets an alarm off then under two.

    DaiTengu> Good luck getting any of that out of my house. THere's so many cords and wires in the way of even moving things that he/she would have a hell of a time even if they tried to unplug them all.

    that's where wire cutters come in handy... you can get replacement wires quite easily and installing them is nothing...


    DaiTengu> Not to mention a 93lb German Shepard (She's a little tubby) and a 135lb Alaskan Malamute to contend with.

    DaiTengu> Oh, and my neighbor's two German Shepards. He's one of the local K9 officers for our city :)

    those animals, on the other hand, should be quite nice deterrents ;)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 16:43:59 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Rampage to MRO on Wed Apr 08 2020 09:17 am

    by the same token, wifi and cell signals can also be easily blocked... the transmitter power doesn't have to be that strong, either... it only needs to block/overwhelm the targetted system(s) and prevent comms for some time whil the action is taking place... granted, it is an unlicensed transmitter and t


    i used to have a cellphone jammer. it was so much fun. i'd ride the bus and someone would be real noisey on the phone so i'd turn it on. then they'd get all confused and shake the phone and other shit. shake out the demons?

    then i'd let them talk for another minute and then click it back on.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sat Apr 11 06:29:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Arelor to MRO on Fri Apr 10 2020 06:50 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Wed Apr 08 2020 12:26 am

    I think some alarm systems can also be set up to automatically call al the police if it detects a break-in so that the police can come into the area to hopefully catch the burglar. I've heard of alarms that do that silently the burglar is not alarted to the fact that t police are on th way.

    Ring alarm systems are inexpensive, easy to set up, and alert the authoritie


    well they are hundreds of dollars. and require a subscription. i went wit arlo cams.

    anyways, if you cut the power, the internet goes and no workie.


    Most comercial offerings for alarm systems I don't like. The agent of the se

    The only security company whose alarm offering I ever considered started adv ct a power plant.

    That said, security companies worth the oil needed to make them burn in hell ith the right equipment but the good ones take more effort than just cutting


    Corporate or business grade monitoring is pricey, but well worth it if your business is your means of survival. A local tavern has microphones and speakers on their cameras, so the monitoring company can verify vendors delivering food supplies or beer without having to wake up the owners. I saw
    a video the other day from a camera on a porch with audio, and it was of
    three girls deciding whether to take a package off someone's porch.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to HusTler on Sat Apr 11 06:39:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: HusTler to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 2020 09:47 am

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Rampage on Thu Apr 09 2020 08:27 pm

    the druggee looking for items to pawn for heroin money is not going to construct a cell or wifi jammer. However, they may cut random cables goi into your house in hopes of cutting off your cable internet. Place camer or IR motion detectors in those areas.

    A "Druggie" will break a window and be in and out with your TV, PC, or wha

    HusTler@havens.synchro.net
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    Regardless, I'd want to know when and a chance of catching who on video so
    they can be identified later. Items you cannot put away such as TV's should have ID numbers etched in or other form of property identification so you can recover an item if it ends up in a pawn shop.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Sat Apr 11 06:58:00 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Fri Apr 10 2020 12:08 pm

    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: HusTler to Rampage on Fri Apr 10 2020 09:47 am

    A "Druggie" will break a window and be in and out with your TV, PC, or whatever they can grab in under 5 mins. If he/she sets an alarm off the under two.

    Good luck getting any of that out of my house. THere's so many cords and wi

    Not to mention a 93lb German Shepard (She's a little tubby) and a 135lb Alas

    Oh, and my neighbor's two German Shepards. He's one of the local K9 officer

    DaiTengu

    ... A group of the unfit appointed by the unwilling to do the necessary.

    Reducing the amoun of time spent in a house also helps. A couple of years
    ago a house down the road was robbed, and the robbers took a 400lb safe.
    They had enough time to flip it on it's side on top of a small rug, and slide it out the door across their polished wood flooring. I've heard of golf balls
    also used to roll heavy items out. If a thief thinks they have lots of
    time, such as if they know you left for work and no one else is home, they might spend that extra time looking in closets or digging through drawers for valuables or even keys so they can come back any time without detection.
    Lock boxes and safes would be items to grab or break into on return visits.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Sat Apr 11 15:49:00 2020
    Moondog wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    Reducing the amoun of time spent in a house also helps. A couple
    of years ago a house down the road was robbed, and the robbers
    took a 400lb safe. They had enough time to flip it on it's side
    on top of a small rug, and slide it out the door across their
    polished wood flooring. I've heard of golf balls
    also used to roll heavy items out. If a thief thinks they have
    lots of time, such as if they know you left for work and no one
    else is home, they might spend that extra time looking in closets
    or digging through drawers for valuables or even keys so they can
    come back any time without detection. Lock boxes and safes would
    be items to grab or break into on return visits.

    Any "serious" safe should be bolted (internally) to the floor
    and/or wall to prevent that scenario.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sat Apr 11 17:38:26 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Apr 11 2020 01:29 am

    speakers on their cameras, so the monitoring company can verify vendors delivering food supplies or beer without having to wake up the owners. I sa a video the other day from a camera on a porch with audio, and it was of three girls deciding whether to take a package off someone's porch.


    the other week i saw someone up on the porch fucking with a package and her dog took a piss on my bench.

    i saw her later on and chased her down and scared the shit out of her.
    i think she was going to take the package but it was too heavy for her to carry. it was kitty litter.
    she said she thought it was stuff for a dog.

    i told her i have cameras everywhere and i'm looking to catch people.

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  • From Sandman@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sun Apr 12 03:19:21 2020
    Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Apr 11 2020 12:38 pm

    the other week i saw someone up on the porch fucking with a package and her dog took a piss on my bench.

    i saw her later on and chased her down and scared the shit out of her.
    i think she was going to take the package but it was too heavy for her to carry. it was kitty litter.
    she said she thought it was stuff for a dog.

    That's sad. That shit happens all over the country. You guys that have guns need to take a shot at one of dem MFs. Make em think twice about checking out other peoples packages. Now with the entire world ordering shit from Amazon these basdagis will be out in gangs. Louzy cuck sukers violate my fuging rights!
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  • From Arelor@VERT to Gamgee on Mon Apr 13 11:29:17 2020
    Re: Re: Musicians generate all me
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Apr 11 2020 10:49 am

    Any "serious" safe should be bolted (internally) to the floor
    and/or wall to prevent that scenario.

    Agreed.

    But many serious safes I have are only granted against 30 minutes of assault with heavy tools or so. I assume that with specialized equipment you can pop them up on site in 31.

    But then, you need to carry so much equipment that is no longer practical a burglary :-P

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