• Re: COBOL

    From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Dumas Walker on Sat Apr 22 08:44:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to PHIGAN <=-

    I have a relative who still asks me questions about Windows. I have
    not run Windows at home since 98SE. We run it at work, but I am not in desktop support so I don't really know a lot about setting it up any
    more.

    They have T-Shirts on etsy that say "No, I will not fix your computer." I usually wear mine when I visit family.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat Apr 22 14:19:22 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Sat Apr 22 2023 08:44 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to PHIGAN <=-

    I have a relative who still asks me questions about Windows. I have not run Windows at home since 98SE. We run it at work, but I am not in desktop support so I don't really know a lot about setting it up any more.

    They have T-Shirts on etsy that say "No, I will not fix your computer." I usually wear mine when I visit family.


    what sucks is when you fix someone's computer, you are viewed as being eternally responsible for taking care of that computer until its demise.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sun Apr 23 15:21:00 2023
    Re: COBOL
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Wed Apr 19 2023 04:30 pm

    Re: COBOL
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Apr 19 2023 03:12 pm

    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger people ar not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so there is that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    Nightfox

    When your indigenous workforce is stagnant, you rely more on migrant workers who will do the work.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 23 15:33:00 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 2023 06:50 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    LOL, I never remember anyone complaining about the distance to the printer... well, except one guy who was morbidly obese and I suspect had COPD... but I do remember some people bringing in their own printers so they could print stuff in their cubes.

    I always had the pain in the ass in Payroll/HR/whichever who claimed
    they needed a printer within arm's reach in order to print confidential
    work product.

    Boy, did they hate it when we implemented badge-in printing and took
    their piece-of-shit little printer that they called for support on continually.




    ... What's behind this door? What door?

    Before the badge in printing, I worked at a place where every admin wanted a high output printer within arms reach under the guise of everything they
    print is confidential. The solution was the printer could be set to print if
    a passcode was entered. They hated that because you would have to stand
    there while the job printed. They would say it wasn't time effficient, but printing a job and letting it sit on the printer invited others to look at whatever you printed.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to MRO on Sun Apr 23 15:20:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    what sucks is when you fix someone's computer, you are viewed as being eternally responsible for taking care of that computer until its
    demise. ---

    But that's no different than work.

    "SystemX is broken. Who touched it last?"
    "Fred did."
    "OK, Fred. Go fix it."

    It makes no difference whether Fred last touched it 6 days or 16 years ago. Fred owns it since he last touched it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Dr. What on Mon Apr 24 00:35:07 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 08:20 am

    But that's no different than work.

    "SystemX is broken. Who touched it last?"
    "Fred did."
    "OK, Fred. Go fix it."

    It makes no difference whether Fred last touched it 6 days or 16 years ago. Fred owns it since he last touched it.


    If you are getting paid by the hour, it is on the boss.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Moondog on Sun Apr 23 23:54:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger people ar not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so there is that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    When your indigenous workforce is stagnant, you rely more on
    migrant workers who will do the work.

    While that may be true, it's got nothing to do with the question that
    was asked.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Mon Apr 24 15:35:00 2023
    Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    They have T-Shirts on etsy that say "No, I will not fix your computer."
    I usually wear mine when I visit family.

    bOING bOING always has, around Thanksgiving time, a list of software,
    patches, service packs and utilities you should burn to a USB stick
    before visiting family for the holidays.

    Never visit your parents without MalwareBytes on a USB stick. :)



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Mon Apr 24 16:38:00 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 08:20 am

    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    what sucks is when you fix someone's computer, you are viewed as being eternally responsible for taking care of that computer until its demise. ---

    But that's no different than work.

    "SystemX is broken. Who touched it last?"
    "Fred did."
    "OK, Fred. Go fix it."

    It makes no difference whether Fred last touched it 6 days or 16 years ago. Fred owns it since he last touched it.


    ... Honesty pays, but not enough for some.

    Fred probably knows the most about the operation of the system, or knows more about it than anyone else. Some people wish for that type of attention. Others are cursed by it.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Mon Apr 24 18:02:00 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sun Apr 23 2023 04:54 pm

    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger people not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so there i that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    When your indigenous workforce is stagnant, you rely more on
    migrant workers who will do the work.

    While that may be true, it's got nothing to do with the question that
    was asked.



    ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"

    It is relevent because if the younger generation was all we relied on to get simple or entry jobs done, we'd be screwed. In my area the orchard and vineyard work is done by migrant employees. Maybe over 50 years ago it would've been teenagers and college kids who didn't have an internship. Even landscaping, yard work, and construction are no longer jobs you see younger pe ople do.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 01:49:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger people not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so there i that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    When your indigenous workforce is stagnant, you rely more on
    migrant workers who will do the work.

    While that may be true, it's got nothing to do with the question that
    was asked.

    It is relevent because if the younger generation was all we
    relied on to get simple or entry jobs done, we'd be screwed. In

    Again, I agree with your statement right there. But AGAIN, it has
    nothing to do with the question that was asked, which was: "How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?".

    Do you see? Not sure how it can be explained any more clearly. Yes,
    the younger generation doesn't want to do entry level jobs. So.... HOW
    DO THEY EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS?

    Your answer just reinforces the idea that they won't be able to pay
    their bills, but it doesn't explain HOW they WILL be able to pay their
    bills.

    my area the orchard and vineyard work is done by migrant
    employees. Maybe over 50 years ago it would've been teenagers
    and college kids who didn't have an internship. Even
    landscaping, yard work, and construction are no longer jobs you
    see younger pe ople do.

    100% agree! But again..... ;-)



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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 14:16:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Dr. What <=-

    It makes no difference whether Fred last touched it 6 days or 16 years ago. Fred owns it since he last touched it.

    If you are getting paid by the hour, it is on the boss.

    Not many people who change software are getting paid by the hour.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 14:16:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Fred probably knows the most about the operation of the system, or
    knows more about it than anyone else. Some people wish for that type
    of attention. Others are cursed by it.

    My usual saying is "It feels good to be wanted, but sometimes I feel like my picture is in the Post Office."


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Tue Apr 25 17:42:00 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 06:49 pm

    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger peo not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so ther that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    When your indigenous workforce is stagnant, you rely more on
    migrant workers who will do the work.

    While that may be true, it's got nothing to do with the question that
    was asked.

    It is relevent because if the younger generation was all we
    relied on to get simple or entry jobs done, we'd be screwed. In

    Again, I agree with your statement right there. But AGAIN, it has
    nothing to do with the question that was asked, which was: "How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?".

    Do you see? Not sure how it can be explained any more clearly. Yes,
    the younger generation doesn't want to do entry level jobs. So.... HOW
    DO THEY EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS?

    Your answer just reinforces the idea that they won't be able to pay
    their bills, but it doesn't explain HOW they WILL be able to pay their bills.

    my area the orchard and vineyard work is done by migrant
    employees. Maybe over 50 years ago it would've been teenagers
    and college kids who didn't have an internship. Even
    landscaping, yard work, and construction are no longer jobs you
    see younger pe ople do.

    100% agree! But again..... ;-)



    ... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly

    I wonder if this is why so many young people believe socialism and communism are viable economic systems? They will discover such systems only work if everyone buys into them, and work may be compulsory rather than an option.
    The people who cannot work depend heavily on the people who can work. If you can work you will be put to work doing something you do not like to support
    the system.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Tue Apr 25 18:08:00 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:16 am

    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Fred probably knows the most about the operation of the system, or knows more about it than anyone else. Some people wish for that type of attention. Others are cursed by it.

    My usual saying is "It feels good to be wanted, but sometimes I feel like my picture is in the Post Office."


    ... Good girls go to heaven. Bad girls go EVERYwhere.

    True. It's better to be appreciated because someone values your company
    rather than they are pissed off because something isn't working.

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  • From unixl0rd@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Sat May 6 01:50:00 2023
    I have a relative who still asks me questions about Windows. I have not run Windows at home since 98SE. We run it at work, but I am not in

    I am curious; what have you been running since then? I finally ditched Windows last year when I found out I could run Steam on Linux. I keep a Win7 VM around just in case.

    ... Hey Jim, Are we there yet?
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to unixl0rd on Sat May 6 06:23:27 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: unixl0rd to Dumas Walker on Fri May 05 2023 06:50 pm

    I am curious; what have you been running since then? I finally ditched Windows last year when I found out I could run Steam on Linux. I keep a

    I have Steam installed on Linux on my main PC (I dual-boot Linux and Windows). I've only tried to install a couple Windows games via Steam, but I've had trouble getting them working properly.

    Nightfox

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  • From unixl0rd@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Sat May 6 14:58:00 2023
    but I've had trouble getting them working properly.

    There is a beta option you can turn on that will enable to run most games. I think it's called 'Proton'. It allows me to play Cyberpunk 2077 and The Witcher 3.

    ... Orcs really aren't so bad (if you use lots of catsup).
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to UNIXL0RD on Sat May 6 15:47:00 2023
    I have a relative who still asks me questions about Windows. I have not run Windows at home since 98SE. We run it at work, but I am not in

    I am curious; what have you been running since then? I finally ditched
    indows
    ast year when I found out I could run Steam on Linux. I keep a Win7 VM around st in case.

    linux. debian or a derivative. I tried some other distros in the
    beginning but debian was the only one that would work with the hardware I
    had at the time.

    Funny story... a couple of them, Mandrake was one, would bring up a GUI installer that rendered perfectly and worked through the entire install
    only to leave me with an environment that was completely unviewable. Never
    did understand how/why they couldn't take the settings the installer used (which, IIRC, it asked me "does the screen look good?") and use them for Xwindows.

    I also ran, off and on, OS/2 Warp 4. I only left it because it became too difficult to network it with the other boxes, and upgrading to NFS would
    have been too costly for what I was using it for (a BBS machine).


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to unixl0rd on Sat May 6 20:47:50 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: unixl0rd to Nightfox on Sat May 06 2023 07:58 am

    but I've had trouble getting them working properly.

    There is a beta option you can turn on that will enable to run most games. I think it's called 'Proton'. It allows me to play Cyberpunk 2077 and The Witcher 3.

    Yeah, Proton is what I had tried, and was having problems with at least one game.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to unixl0rd on Sun May 7 04:23:00 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: unixl0rd to Dumas Walker on Fri May 05 2023 06:50 pm

    I have a relative who still asks me questions about Windows. I have no run Windows at home since 98SE. We run it at work, but I am not in

    I am curious; what have you been running since then? I finally ditched Windo

    ... Hey Jim, Are we there yet?

    Five years ago I was working for an automotive manufacturer, and in their
    frame shot they had a large Kuka robot arm that ran off of WIndows 98. The
    arm was made in 99/2000, and that was the OS of the era it was made in.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon May 8 06:52:54 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Nightfox to unixl0rd on Sat May 06 2023 13:47:50

    There is a beta option you can turn on that will enable to run most
    games. I think it's called 'Proton'. It allows me to play Cyberpunk
    2077 and The Witcher 3.

    Yeah, Proton is what I had tried, and was having problems with at least one game.

    Yeah, best to check ProtonDB to see where a given game stands. About 2/3 of those listed are marked as working or playable at this point, and even the anti-cheat is working for more games now. But there are still a lot that will have less than an ideal experience. The Steam Deck has really beeen the main driver of a lot of the compatibility efforts.


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  • From Bandit@VERT/BANHI to Nightfox on Wed May 10 08:16:03 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: Nightfox to unixl0rd on Fri May 05 2023 23:23:27


    always check protondb.com for your game under linux for steam

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to unixl0rd on Thu May 11 14:59:55 2023
    Re: Re: COBOL
    By: unixl0rd to Dumas Walker on Fri May 05 2023 06:50 pm

    I am curious; what have you been running since then? I finally ditched Windows last year when I found out I could run Steam on Linux. I keep a Win7 VM around just in case.
    Not all games on Linux. The gaming market is owned by microsoft windows.
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