Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

Many thanks

Phoenix

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

Sure!

digital man

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Digital Man to Phoenix on Sun Nov 29 2015 15:44:34

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

Sure!

I'd agree. Python is almost the de facto higher level systems programming language now, and if you want to get into "cloud", python is the language of OpenStack.

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Hi all,

Ive been looking at

starting to program for a
while now, Well to learn to

anyway.

I tend to use Linux more

than windows these days.

Would Python be a good

starting point ??

Iirc, Python was created as
a learning language, and is
a decent one to start
with... There are lots of
free programming courses
online for Python as well.
--
Michael J. Ryan
http://tracker1.info/

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I'd agree. Python is

almost the de facto higher
level systems programming

language now, and if you

want to get into "cloud",
python is the language of

OpenStack.

Wouldn't go too deep
there... OpenStack is an
ugly multi-tentacled beast.

I've been very happy with
node, but would not suggest
anyone use JS as their
first programming language
when starting out. I'd
probably use Go or node
four most things.

That said, Python is really
good to get started with.
--
Michael J. Ryan
http://tracker1.info/

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

Many thanks

Phoenix

Yes, I say 100% yes. As it really getsyour mind working and is also easy as compared to C (which I guess isn''t that bad). I am still learning python, when I will actually get back to it. :)

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Re: Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Tracker1 to Egon on Sun Nov 29 2015 21:53:58

Wouldn't go too deep
there... OpenStack is an
ugly multi-tentacled beast.

It's a complicated, distributed application, that's for sure, and it relies on a variety of underlying open source projects. But it's absoutely usable at scale.

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

perl is nice and easy too.
also get a domain name.
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Re: Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Tracker1 to Phoenix on Sun Nov 29 2015 09:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at

starting to program for a
while now, Well to learn to

anyway.

I tend to use Linux more

than windows these days.

Would Python be a good

starting point ??

Iirc, Python was created as
a learning language, and is
a decent one to start
with... There are lots of
free programming courses
online for Python as well.
--

i thought your post was a haiku because of the formatting
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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Mro to Phoenix on Tue Dec 01 2015 09:36 pm

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

perl is nice and easy too.
also get a domain name.

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched it fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

Here are some of the features why I chose Python:
-interpreted for ease and speed of development, but option for self
contained distribution
-multi platform support
-excellent support community
-mature language dating back to late '80s, but still supporting modern
object oriented model
-supports procedural, functional, and object oriented modes of use
-huge, robust, standard library, with lots of add on libraries
-great support for GUI tool kits, especially QT
-free and open source

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Check out golang (go). Its got a very terse syntax which makes for super
clean, uniform code, really easy to pick up and get started with and
extremely powerful. It's what we transition our apprentices into as they
come into our organization - typically coming with minimal background in
python or ruby or even (bash) shell.

best.

-wP!

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I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

perl is nice and easy too.

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched it fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

Here are some of the features why I chose Python:
-interpreted for ease and speed of development, but option for self contained distribution
-multi platform support
-excellent support community
-mature language dating back to late '80s, but still supporting modern

I think many of these points also apply to Perl, so these aren't really
unique to Python. That said, I'd probably also choose Python over Perl as a beginner language - I think Python code is a little more clear. Perl is
known to be easier to write than it is to read - If you look at example Perl code, it could be difficult for a beginner to understand what it's doing due
to Perl's operators, etc.. But it's certainly possible to learn programming with Perl.

object oriented model
-supports procedural, functional, and object oriented modes of use

I agree that this is an advantage. It's good to learn object-oriented
software development, since a lot of software developed these days is object-oriented (and has been for a long time).

Nightfox

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Ssilicon to Mro on Wed Dec 02 2015 09:09 am

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Mro to Phoenix on Tue Dec 01 2015 09:36 pm

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to
learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

perl is nice and easy too.
also get a domain name.

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched it fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

Here are some of the features why I chose Python:
-interpreted for ease and speed of development, but option for self contained distribution

you are probably replying to the wrong dude
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Re: Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Mro to Tracker1 on Tue Dec 01 2015 09:36 pm

Re: Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Tracker1 to Phoenix on Sun Nov 29 2015 09:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at

starting to program for a
while now, Well to learn to

anyway.

I tend to use Linux more

than windows these days.

Would Python be a good

starting point ??

Iirc, Python was created as
a learning language, and is
a decent one to start
with... There are lots of
free programming courses
online for Python as well.
--

i thought your post was a haiku because of the formatting

Hahah lol. Just needs some references to nature now... OH WAIT! Pythons. :)

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Ssilicon to Mro on Wed Dec 02 2015 09:09 am

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Mro to Phoenix on Tue Dec 01 2015 09:36 pm

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

perl is nice and easy too.
also get a domain name.

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched it fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

Here are some of the features why I chose Python:
-interpreted for ease and speed of development, but option for self contained distribution
-multi platform support
-excellent support community
-mature language dating back to late '80s, but still supporting modern object oriented model
-supports procedural, functional, and object oriented modes of use
-huge, robust, standard library, with lots of add on libraries
-great support for GUI tool kits, especially QT
-free and open source

Pretty much sums up Python. :)

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Ssilicon to Mro on Wed Dec 02 2015 09:09 am

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched it fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

I'm still an amateur programmer, but I love using Python for scraping applications. I've written a bunch of scrapers in the last few years, grabbing anything from election results on county websites to Fidonet messages on
BBSes.

In fact, the scraping portion of my "Sports Stats" door for Synchronet is written in Python. (The BBS front end is written in JS).

--Josh

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Here are some of the features why I chose Python:
-interpreted for ease and speed of development, but option for self contained distribution
-multi platform support
-excellent support community
-mature language dating back to late '80s, but still supporting modern object oriented model
-supports procedural, functional, and object oriented modes of use
-huge, robust, standard library, with lots of add on libraries
-great support for GUI tool kits, especially QT
-free and open source

Pretty much sums up Python. :)

I think many of those things are true of many languages, not just Python.

Nightfox

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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Nightfox to Deavmi on Mon Dec 07 2015 08:53 am

Pretty much sums up Python. :)

I think many of those things are true of many languages, not just Python.

most of them ARE alike. some guy wanted some features and he figured, fuck them! i'll go make my own if they dont like my ideas.
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i thought your post was a haiku because of the formatting

I may have been on my tablet, phone or macbook... sometimes I'm not seeing a monospace font.
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tracker1(at)gmail.com
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Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Kirkman to Ssilicon on Sun Dec 06 2015 01:50 pm

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Ssilicon to Mro on Wed Dec 02 2015 09:09 am

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched i

t

fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

I'm still an amateur programmer, but I love using Python for scraping applications. I've written a bunch of scrapers in the last few years, grabbi

ng

anything from election results on county websites to Fidonet messages on BBSes.

In fact, the scraping portion of my "Sports Stats" door for Synchronet is written in Python. (The BBS front end is written in JS).

--Josh

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Scrapers, that sounds awesome. Very hard thing, I think, to get right.

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Scrapers, that sounds awesome. Very hard thing, I think, to get right.

I suppose so. Although in many cases, the scraping is easy and the *parsing* is hard.

For me that has proven especially true with election results. The reports come in many different styles and can be full of human errors.

--Josh

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Scrapers, that sounds awesome. Very hard thing, I think, to get right.

I suppose so. Although in many cases, the scraping is easy and the *parsing* is hard.

For me that has proven especially true with election results. The reports come in many different styles and can be full of human errors.

If it's web pages, my best results for scraping have been with node.js and cheerio... jquery-like api for selection/navigation works really nicely.
--
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tracker1(at)gmail.com
+o Roughneck BBS

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On 2015-11-30 10:11 AM, Deavmi wrote:

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

Many thanks

Phoenix

Yes, I say 100% yes. As it really getsyour mind working and is also easy as compared to C (which I guess isn''t that bad). I am still learning python, when
I will actually get back to it. :)

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It's very true. Python really does get your mind working.

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On 2015-12-02 07:09 PM, Ssilicon wrote:

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Mro to Phoenix on Tue Dec 01 2015 09:36 pm

Re: Beginner Programmer
By: Phoenix to All on Sun Nov 29 2015 03:47 pm

Hi all,

Ive been looking at starting to program for a while now, Well to learn to
anyway.

I tend to use Linux more than windows these days.
Would Python be a good starting point ??

perl is nice and easy too.
also get a domain name.

I would seriously suggest Python over any of the others. I researched it fairly well before coming to that same conclusion for myself.

Here are some of the features why I chose Python:
-interpreted for ease and speed of development, but option for self contained distribution
-multi platform support
-excellent support community
-mature language dating back to late '80s, but still supporting modern object oriented model
-supports procedural, functional, and object oriented modes of use
-huge, robust, standard library, with lots of add on libraries
-great support for GUI tool kits, especially QT
-free and open source

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The Python OOP is awesome. And teaches you a lot.

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