• Re: eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak

    From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jun 28 21:27:54 2019
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 14-Jun-2019 02:42 <=-

    So..... I left town on the 14th of June, put 1400 miles on the car, got
    home on the 21st.... and have been playing catch up ever since....
    finally getting to these messages.... :)

    like installing emacs and other useful things...

    Good luck with that. I've heard rumours about emacs on chromebooks
    but have never seen evidence, up to including finding a link to a
    valid site where it could be obtained. Just rumours, not even a screenshot. I have serious doubts.

    Don't need screenshots... just need to try installing and see what
    happens... <G>

    Not likely that we'd be searching it out otherwise

    Understood. Like I say above, nothing but rumours with no to
    extremely little evidence to back it up. I am guessing it would take
    a mess of hacking to get anything decent running ... not unlike what I
    did on this raspi thingy I am calling aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu. No emacs though but I think I could probably pull it off if it meant anything. For sure there is vi. :-)
    Maube if/when I get bored I'll check it out and see if I can get a 64
    bit ARM version of emacs working on this little guy.

    And I see that apparently you got bored soon after... that, or
    curious.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 29 14:01:25 2019
    Hey Nancy!

    I left town on the 14th of June, put 1400 miles on the car, got
    home on the 21st....

    I stayed put but did manage to accomplish a few things during that time.

    Don't need screenshots... just need to try installing and see
    what happens.

    That sounds like a plan. If I can be of any assistance let me know.

    And I see that apparently you got bored soon after... that, or
    curious.... ;)

    Mostly curious. I had to use the git version as well as edit the Makefile to suit the target machines. So far it runs on aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu, which is this machine I am typing to you on, as well as x86_64-pc-linux-gnu. Both of
    these targets have the -lncurses dependency rather than the -lcurses dependency
    so the fix was easy;

    sed -i 's/-lcurses/-lncurses/' Makefile

    However symlinking libcurses.so to libncurses.so would probably work as well ... unless of course libcurses is already onboard and then the Makefile should work without modification.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jun 29 12:49:42 2019

    On 2019 Jun 29 16:01:24, you wrote to Nancy Backus:

    However symlinking libcurses.so to libncurses.so would probably work
    as well ... unless of course libcurses is already onboard and then the Makefile should work without modification.

    i never have understood the difference between curses and ncurses other than one starts with the letter 'n'...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Sat Jun 29 17:25:06 2019
    Hallo mark!

    i never have understood the difference between curses and ncurses
    other than one starts with the letter 'n'...

    The 'n' in ncurses stands for new, where new was back in 1993. Obviously new in this case is relative to BSD curses from back in 1980-1982-ish depending on which curses is considered as the base curses that all other curses evolved from, including ncurses.

    Probably a more traditional micro emacs would link to -ltermcap instead of -lcurses except that as we speak I don't have termcap installed. How about you?

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jun 29 15:15:06 2019

    On 2019 Jun 29 19:25:06, you wrote to me:

    i never have understood the difference between curses and ncurses
    other than one starts with the letter 'n'...

    The 'n' in ncurses stands for new, where new was back in 1993. Obviously new in this case is relative to BSD curses from back in 1980-1982-ish depending on which curses is considered as the base curses that all other curses evolved from, including ncurses.

    ahhh... ok... i think i get it now...

    Probably a more traditional micro emacs would link to -ltermcap
    instead of -lcurses except that as we speak I don't have termcap installed. How about you?

    i think i have it installed on one or two VMs but they're running BBSes...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to mark lewis on Sat Jun 29 19:45:57 2019
    Hey mark!

    Probably a more traditional micro emacs would link to -ltermcap
    instead of -lcurses except that as we speak I don't have termcap
    installed. How about you?

    i think i have it installed on one or two VMs but they're running BBSes...

    For some strange reason that makes sense. However it turns out the gnu version
    of termcap I just installed is a old update (2003) and statically linked into uEmacs/Pk version 4.0.15 making the final result 4k larger than the shared ncurses build. Given the fact that I require ncurses for a multitude of runtimes I am inclined to lean towards the shared library version and not bother with termcap.

    It is nice to have choices. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jul 4 22:11:20 2019
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 29-Jun-2019 16:01 <=-

    I left town on the 14th of June, put 1400 miles on the car, got
    home on the 21st....

    I stayed put but did manage to accomplish a few things during that
    time.

    That was good... at this point, I'm out of towm again, again without any access, so these will go out when I get back home again... :)

    Don't need screenshots... just need to try installing and see
    what happens.

    That sounds like a plan. If I can be of any assistance let me know.

    And actually, I wouldn't be doing any of it, just the Wizard... ;)

    And I see that apparently you got bored soon after... that, or
    curious.... ;)

    Mostly curious. I had to use the git version as well as edit the
    Makefile to suit the target machines. So far it runs on aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu, which is this machine I am typing to you
    on, as well as x86_64-pc-linux-gnu. Both of these targets have the -lncurses dependency rather than the -lcurses dependency so the fix
    was easy;
    sed -i 's/-lcurses/-lncurses/' Makefile
    However symlinking libcurses.so to libncurses.so would probably work
    as well ... unless of course libcurses is already onboard and then the Makefile should work without modification.

    Whatever you say... ;) You're obviously speaking Wizard.... <G> But I
    do understand that you have Emacs working on two different machines,
    now... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Mon Jul 15 12:53:52 2019
    Hey Nancy!

    But I do understand that you have Emacs working on two different
    machines, now... :)

    The test file created and displayed utf8 characters. Does your Emacs do that?
    ;-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jul 27 15:37:02 2019
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 15-Jul-2019 14:53 <=-

    But I do understand that you have Emacs working on two different
    machines, now... :)

    The test file created and displayed utf8 characters. Does your Emacs
    do that? ;-)

    Not that I know of... but that might just as likely be the overall
    system I have... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jul 28 15:10:11 2019
    Hallo Nancy!

    but that might just as likely be the overall system I have... :)

    CP437 if I recall correctly. Seems to me we tested that at one time.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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