Check it out, download an ISO or hit "update", and enjoy!

I was able to hit update from the GUI and it was a seamless upgrade. I do like the addition of VMWare migration tools and the ability to create an unattended install ISO. I work with lots of remote offices, and if I could send someone servers, tell them what to plug in where, and to boot off an ISO, that would rock.





Proxmox VE 8.2
Released 24. April 2024: See Downloads

Based on Debian Bookworm (12.5)
Latest 6.8 Kernel as new stable default
QEMU 8.1.5
LXC 6.0.0
ZFS 2.2.3
Ceph Reef 18.2.2
Ceph Quincy 17.2.7
Highlights
New import wizard to migrate guests directly from other hypervisors.
Connect to other hypervisors using their public APIs and directly migrate guests to Proxmox VE.
First implementation is for VMware ESXi.
Guests can be started on Proxmox VE while their data is still being imported to the target storage in the background.
Support for automated and unattended installation of Proxmox VE.
Proxmox VE now ships a tool that prepares a Proxmox VE ISO for automated installation.
The prepared ISO retrieves all required settings for automated installation from an answer file.
The answer file can be provided directly in the ISO, on an additional disk such as a USB flash drive, or over the network.
Backup fleecing (advanced feature).
When creating a backup of a running VM, a slow backup target can negatively impact guest IO during the backup process.
Fleecing can reduce this impact by using fast local storage as a buffer for data blocks.
However, the fleecing approach requires the use of temporary local storage space.
Backup fleecing can make sense when backing up IO-heavy guests to a remote Proxmox Backup Server with a slow network connection.
Modernized Proxmox VE firewall implementation based on nftables (opt-in technology preview).
The new implementation is written in Rust and intended to replace the current firewall based on iptables in the future.
Moving to nftables will improve robustness and make it possible to fix long-standing issues with the old implementation.
The nftables firewall is provided as a technology preview to gather feedback from the community and needs to be enabled manually.
With a few exceptions, its feature set is nearly on par with the old firewall implementation.
Seamless upgrade from Proxmox VE 7.4, see Upgrade from 7 to 8
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Check it out, download an ISO or hit "update", and enjoy!

I was able to hit update from the GUI and it was a seamless upgrade. I
do like the addition of VMWare migration tools and the ability to create an unattended install ISO. I work with lots of remote offices, and if I could send someone servers, tell them what to plug in where, and to boot off an ISO, that would rock.

Upgrading right away...

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Hello poindexter,

On Thu, Apr 25 2024 20:39:30 +0000, you wrote:

I was able to hit update from the GUI and it was a seamless upgrade. I
do like the addition of VMWare migration tools and the ability to create an unattended install ISO. I work with lots of remote offices, and if I could send someone servers, tell them what to plug in where, and to boot off an ISO, that would rock.

Proxmox VE 8.2
Released 24. April 2024: See Downloads

If one were to want to switch from VMWare ESXi 6.5 to Proxmox at some point, what is the easiest and best way to backup/save/export your VMWare VMs to be easily imported into Proxmox without losing any data?

I read up on Proxmox's new import utility, but they seem to be describing having both hypervisor instances running at the same time. Proxmox would be replacing VMWare on the same machine, so the .vmdk (or whatever) files would have to be saved to disk and restored once Proxmox is installed.

When you wrote this and I read it, I putzed around on the VMWare site and realized there's no download link for the free version any more. I had heard about the restructure and whatever they're doing with their "portfolio", but figured they would just stop making it 'free'. The fact they don't even have a download link for previous versions (or even the latest version that was released ~6 months ago) any more, it might be time to look for a better solution.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Proxmox 8.2 is out!
By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 25 2024 05:48 pm

Howdy,

When you wrote this and I read it, I putzed around on the VMWare site and realized there's no download link for the free version any more. I had heard about the restructure and whatever they're doing with their "portfolio", but figured they would just stop making it 'free'. The fact they don't even have a download link for previous versions (or even the latest version that was released ~6 months ago) any more, it might be time to look for a better solution.

So I came across this:

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2107518

It is a shame, I'm a huge fan of ESXi, and pretty much install it on everything I have (including Pis) as all my machines are headless - and the web console makes it super easy to use.

I did manage to download v8 today - I just signed up for the eval and it let me. I actually dont need to install it, and may never use it. I guess at some point I'll have to make the switch and learn proxmox...


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Check it out, download an ISO or hit "update", and enjoy!
I was able to hit update from the GUI and it was a seamless upgrade. I
do like the addition of VMWare migration tools and the ability to create

I'm running EXSi 6.7 in my homelab, so it's nice to see Proxmox has a migration tool built in. I know what I'll be doing this weekend!

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I was able to hit update from the GUI and it was a seamless upgrade. do like the addition of VMWare migration tools and the ability to cre an unattended install ISO. I work with lots of remote offices, and if could send someone servers, tell them what to plug in where, and to b off an ISO, that would rock.

Proxmox VE 8.2
Released 24. April 2024: See Downloads

If one were to want to switch from VMWare ESXi 6.5 to Proxmox at some point, what is the easiest and best way to backup/save/export your
VMWare VMs to be easily imported into Proxmox without losing any data?

I read up on Proxmox's new import utility, but they seem to be describing having both hypervisor instances running at the same time. Proxmox would be replacing VMWare on the same machine, so the .vmdk (or whatever)
files would have to be saved to disk and restored once Proxmox is installed.

When you wrote this and I read it, I putzed around on the VMWare site and realized there's no download link for the free version any more. I had heard about the restructure and whatever they're doing with their "portfolio", but figured they would just stop making it 'free'. The fact they don't even have a download link for previous versions (or even the latest version that was released ~6 months ago) any more, it might be
time to look for a better solution.

i did this almost a year ago because the weiting was on thr wall. That and the fact it was mentioned multiple times.

I ended up just using clonzilla. I did it between two machines live. But with this new option it appears much easier.

Not sure how you would so it? Got a spare machine you could load proxmox up under virtual box and migrate that way. Then wipe your server, install proxmox and move your VM's to your new server.

I have a NAS with NFS storage between them. So i just pointed the new server to the NFS storage.

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Hello deon,

On Fri, Apr 26 2024 04:27:24 +0000, you wrote:

When you wrote this and I read it, I putzed around on the VMWare site and
realized there's no download link for the free version any more. I had heard
about the restructure and whatever they're doing with their "portfolio", but
figured they would just stop making it 'free'. The fact they don't even have
a download link for previous versions (or even the latest version that was
released ~6 months ago) any more, it might be time to look for a better
solution.

So I came across this:

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2107518

That was the exact same article I read before posting that. ;)

It is a shame, I'm a huge fan of ESXi, and pretty much install it on everything I have (including Pis) as all my machines are headless - and
the web console makes it super easy to use.

I've only had to install it once, back in 2017. This server has been running nonstop since then and have never had a single issue with it.

I did manage to download v8 today - I just signed up for the eval and it let me. I actually dont need to install it, and may never use it. I
guess at some point I'll have to make the switch and learn proxmox...

Isn't the eval only actually good for like 30 days? Either way, I see the direction they're going, and won't be following along. Proxmox has come a very long way, and is just as configurable - especially just for a household server.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello niter3,

On Fri, Apr 26 2024 05:15:24 +0000, you wrote:

i did this almost a year ago because the weiting was on thr wall. That
and the fact it was mentioned multiple times.

I didn't really pay much attention until someone brought it up not too long ago. It wasn't an issue for me, as I wrote before, it's been running here for like 7 years without any issue, no need for upgrades or intervention. Heck, I could probably just stick with what I have for another 7 years. :)

I ended up just using clonzilla. I did it between two machines live. But with this new option it appears much easier.

Not sure how you would so it? Got a spare machine you could load proxmox
up under virtual box and migrate that way. Then wipe your server,
install proxmox and move your VM's to your new server.

I have another machine, but I was just trying to find out the least amount of hassle. There's no way to export to a .vmdk or something and load it back up in Proxmox?

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Proxmox 8.2 is out!
By: Accession to deon on Thu Apr 25 2024 08:49 pm

Howdy,

Isn't the eval only actually good for like 30 days? Either way, I see the direction they're going, and won't be following along. Proxmox has come a very long way, and is just as configurable - especially just for a household server.

The eval used to run for 60 days (maybe 30 now?), and after that revert to "free" - which mean all the enterprise functions where disabled.

(You could google around and easily find a key though that turned that back on.)

With their v8 not sure what it will do after the eval period. Might try one day to see...

I've only had to install it once, back in 2017. This server has been running nonstop since then and have never had a single issue with it.

I'm the same - I've been using it for 10+ years, and I update to a new version when I've bought a new server. I'm pretty much on v7 and have been for years, and it doesnt miss a beat.


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I was able to hit update from the GUI and it was a seamless upgrade. I
do like the addition of VMWare migration tools and the ability to create an unattended install ISO. I work with lots of remote offices, and if I could send someone servers, tell them what to plug in where, and to boot off an ISO, that would rock.

Nice - I'll make sure I get my system upgraded; its nice to hear of others that had a successful upgrade so I don't worry too much before running it. Thanks!!



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[Proxmox 8.2 update]

Check it out, download an ISO or hit "update", and enjoy!

UGH - new kernel so it would like a reboot as soon as possible... gosh darnit - now I have to plan that into my production... funzies.



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Re: Proxmox 8.2 is out!
By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 25 2024 05:48 pm

If one were to want to switch from VMWare ESXi 6.5 to Proxmox at some point, what is the easiest and best way to backup/save/export your VMWare VMs to be easily imported into Proxmox without losing any data?

There's an offline method. Proxmox is using qemu, which uses well-knwon formats.

You can use clonezilla to clone the ESX guest, then restore it using clonezilla on a Proxmox guest.

There's a VMWare tool called ovftool that can create a data file that Proxmox can ingest.

There's lots of information at https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Migrate_to_Proxmox_VE#Clone_directly
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Isn't the eval only actually good for like 30 days? Either way, I see the direction they're going, and won't be following along. Proxmox has come
a very long way, and is just as configurable - especially just for a household server.

I was also a die hard Vmware user and ran it for 10+ years at home.

Proxmox has proved to be very stable.

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I have another machine, but I was just trying to find out the least
amount of hassle. There's no way to export to a .vmdk or something and load it back up in Proxmox?

There may be, but after my research this was my solution to get my VM's moved over.

May be a better way....

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Hello deon,

On Fri, Apr 26 2024 07:27:18 +0000, you wrote:

Isn't the eval only actually good for like 30 days? Either way, I see the
direction they're going, and won't be following along. Proxmox has come a
very long way, and is just as configurable - especially just for a household
server.

The eval used to run for 60 days (maybe 30 now?), and after that revert
to "free" - which mean all the enterprise functions where disabled.

Ah, ok. I kind of read about it, but didn't go into detail once I read "eval". :)

With their v8 not sure what it will do after the eval period. Might try
one day to see...

As I don't believe I would be able to upgrade from v6.5u1 to v8+, it's not really worth it. I'd rather not screw up what's already working, either.

I'm the same - I've been using it for 10+ years, and I update to a new version when I've bought a new server. I'm pretty much on v7 and have
been for years, and it doesnt miss a beat.

As you say, I probably don't need to do anything until if/when I ever get a new server, to be honest.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello poindexter,

On Fri, Apr 26 2024 10:44:06 +0000, you wrote:

You can use clonezilla to clone the ESX guest, then restore it using clonezilla on a Proxmox guest.

There's a VMWare tool called ovftool that can create a data file that Proxmox can ingest.

Seems these two would be my only options.

There's lots of information at https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Migrate_to_Proxmox_VE#Clone_directly

Yeah, I read that and still had questions, since every description seems to mention live mediums and unzipping the tools to the Proxmox host (which wouldn't be available until *after* the VMs would be cloned to a disk somewhere).

Regards,
Nick

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Hello niter3,

On Fri, Apr 26 2024 14:42:40 +0000, you wrote:

I was also a die hard Vmware user and ran it for 10+ years at home.

When you switched, did you just start out clean slate? Or did you clone/migrate any VMs over?

Proxmox has proved to be very stable.

I don't doubt that, I guess I would more or less doubt the utilities cloning my VMs to do their job correctly.

Regards,
Nick

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When you switched, did you just start out clean slate? Or did you clone/migrate any VMs over?

I used Clonezilla.

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Re: Proxmox 8.2 is out!
By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Thu Apr 25 2024 08:39 am

Check it out, download an ISO or hit "update", and enjoy!

That's great, I guess I will be doing so updating this weekend.
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Hello niter3,

On Sat, Apr 27 2024 06:44:18 +0000, you wrote:

When you switched, did you just start out clean slate? Or did you
clone/migrate any VMs over?

I used Clonezilla.

Right, I got that part. However, you had two physical machines - one with VMWare and one with Proxmox already installed, and did it the "live" way, yes?

Regards,
Nick

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Right, I got that part. However, you had two physical machines - one with VMWare and one with Proxmox already installed, and did it the "live"
way, yes?

Correct.

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Hello deon,

On Fri, Apr 26 2024 07:27:18 +0000, you wrote:

The eval used to run for 60 days (maybe 30 now?), and after that revert
to "free" - which mean all the enterprise functions where disabled.

(You could google around and easily find a key though that turned that
back on.)

With their v8 not sure what it will do after the eval period. Might try
one day to see...

Don't bother. If you read a bit further, you will see something like this:

"For ESXi hosts, license or evaluation period expiry leads to disconnection from vCenter Server. All powered on virtual machines continue to work, but you cannot power on virtual machines after they are powered off. You cannot change the current configuration of the features that are in use. You cannot use the features that remained unused before the license expiration."

There is no free license offered any more (I believe this was stopped around Jan 1, 2024. That was what all the hype was about. So now you are forced into a paid license, and it seems what *used* to be the 'free version' is around $70 USD.

All good, my 6.5u1 is still going strong. If one day I have to start over, I'll most likely switch to Proxmox.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello niter3,

On Sat, Apr 27 2024 19:35:24 +0000, you wrote:

Right, I got that part. However, you had two physical machines - one with
VMWare and one with Proxmox already installed, and did it the "live"
way, yes?

Correct.

So, you are saying I could install Virtualbox on my Windows 11 gaming machine, Install Proxmox in a VM, and use it's new live-import thing to move my VMs over to Proxmox.

Then, install Proxmox on the real hardware where ESXi was, and import them back using the same utility?

If so, that doesn't seem too bad at all.

Regards,
Nick

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All good, my 6.5u1 is still going strong. If one day I have to start
over, I'll most likely switch to Proxmox.

Good point, no need to move to the latest and greatest if there is no gain. We are talking home labs here.

What I do like about Proxmox is the supported hardware availability across consumer grade hardware.

This may be the route I take in the future. Moving off server grade hardware into consumer grade.

Would save some money on hardware. I don't need anything crazy. I was thinking of a small NUC with 16 cores, a couple M2 drives would be more then suffice.

I have a NAS for my main storage so no need for more then a couple TB's of M2 drives.

Just my thoughts at the moment. I still have plenty of life out of what I have today. My old server was converted into a desktop for my son and it's still running solid after 8-9 years....

I'm going to wait until this server is at least 5+ years before even considering it. Even at that, I may not even bother if things are running strong and it's meeting my needs. Likely will since I mainly run linux VM's without any gui. Very little resources.

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So, you are saying I could install Virtualbox on my Windows 11 gaming machine, Install Proxmox in a VM, and use it's new live-import thing to move my VMs over to Proxmox.

Then, install Proxmox on the real hardware where ESXi was, and import
them back using the same utility?

If so, that doesn't seem too bad at all.

Pretty much, yes. I had my VM's imported via a NAS NFS share. So I pointed my new server to the same NFS share and just imported that way.

It may be slightly different for you, but this is the theory and the one I used.

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On 27 Apr 24 11:38:58, Accession said the following to Deon:

All good, my 6.5u1 is still going strong. If one day I have to start over, I'll most likely switch to Proxmox.

Still running Vmware Exsi 6.0 here for .... geez, close to a decade I think.

Atreyu

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Re: Proxmox 8.2 is out!
By: Accession to deon on Sat Apr 27 2024 11:38 am

Howdy,

"For ESXi hosts, license or evaluation period expiry leads to disconnection from vCenter Server. All powered on virtual machines continue to work, but you cannot power on virtual machines after they are powered off. You cannot change the current configuration of the features that are in use. You cannot use the features that remained unused before the license expiration."

But I've never used vCenter Server - I just use the web ui on the ESXi host itself. I wonder if they have stopped it at the ESXi host level, or just in vCenter?


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Hello niter3,

On Sat, Apr 27 2024 22:45:34 +0000, you wrote:

Good point, no need to move to the latest and greatest if there is no
gain. We are talking home labs here.

True, although if it's easy, I wouldn't mind taking on the task just to do it for a sense of accomplishment. :)

What I do like about Proxmox is the supported hardware availability
across consumer grade hardware.

This may be the route I take in the future. Moving off server grade hardware into consumer grade.

Would save some money on hardware. I don't need anything crazy. I was thinking of a small NUC with 16 cores, a couple M2 drives would be more then suffice.

Really? Back when I bought my server, it was wayyyy cheaper than anything I could find as far as consumer grade hardware with the same kind of specs.

Just my thoughts at the moment. I still have plenty of life out of what
I have today. My old server was converted into a desktop for my son and it's still running solid after 8-9 years....

I take it your 'old server' was consumer grade hardware? I had an itch to build myself a new gaming rig, so I gave my old one to my son. Still pretty sure his will be fine for another 5 years.

I'm going to wait until this server is at least 5+ years before even considering it. Even at that, I may not even bother if things are
running strong and it's meeting my needs. Likely will since I mainly run linux VM's without any gui. Very little resources.

Same. I have two Archlinux VMs, one of which does all of my BBS/FTN related stuff, the other hosts my Mystic setup I use to keep up with the times, but isn't even up 24/7, and then the third is a newly made FreeBSD VM, with hardly anything on it. None of them have a GUI.

I kinda chuckle when I give 2 CPUs and 4gb RAM to a VM that I do BBS stuff on. :D

Regards,
Nick

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Hello niter3,

On Sat, Apr 27 2024 22:46:58 +0000, you wrote:

Pretty much, yes. I had my VM's imported via a NAS NFS share. So I
pointed my new server to the same NFS share and just imported that way.

It may be slightly different for you, but this is the theory and the one
I used.

It'll definitely be a bit different, as I don't have a NAS NFS share. But with the use of 'scp' I can point to anything on my network, so it really doesn't matter where I put the VMs. :)

I suppose it may have been a bit faster for you at least, not having to copy the files anywhere else.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Atreyu,

On Sat, Apr 27 2024 14:11:10 +0000, you wrote:

All good, my 6.5u1 is still going strong. If one day I have to start over,
I'll most likely switch to Proxmox.

Still running Vmware Exsi 6.0 here for .... geez, close to a decade I think.

Yeah, would have to be. I just noticed my install date for 6.5u1 was back in 2017. Pretty amazing that you can install one of these things and never have to update it. Hell, I think I've probably rebooted the entire server machine under 10 times in 8 years (granted, I've rebooted the actual VMs quite a bit more).

Regards,
Nick

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Hello deon,

On Sun, Apr 28 2024 03:57:32 +0000, you wrote:

"For ESXi hosts, license or evaluation period expiry leads to disconnection
from vCenter Server. All powered on virtual machines continue to work, but
you cannot power on virtual machines after they are powered off. You cannot
change the current configuration of the features that are in use. You cannot
use the features that remained unused before the license expiration."

But I've never used vCenter Server - I just use the web ui on the ESXi
host itself. I wonder if they have stopped it at the ESXi host level, or just in vCenter?

I'd imagine after the 60 days it will basically shut down unless you pay for some kind of license. This is the direction they went, and discontinued all "free" services.

Regards,
Nick

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On 27 Apr 24 21:50:10, Accession said the following to Atreyu:

Yeah, would have to be. I just noticed my install date for 6.5u1 was back in 2017. Pretty amazing that you can install one of these things and never have to update it. Hell, I think I've probably rebooted the entire server machine under 10 times in 8 years (granted, I've rebooted the actual VMs quite a bit more).

I began on I think 4.something, then 5.5 and now 6.0... and thats "it", really no reason to upgrade beyond that nor was there confidence that the motherboard/chipset wouldn't have weirdness beyond 6.

Heard good things about Proxmox but there is absolutely no incentive for me personally to jump ship. Why mess with what works... these are VM's that more or less just get babysat, not messed around with. Darkrealms is one of them.

Atreyu

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Really? Back when I bought my server, it was wayyyy cheaper than
anything I could find as far as consumer grade hardware with the same
kind of specs.

I did it a bit different and bought myself a Lenovo ST50 desktop server. It has a xeon processor and ECC ram. I could of spent less on it if I bought it used.

I take it your 'old server' was consumer grade hardware? I had an itch
to build myself a new gaming rig, so I gave my old one to my son. Still pretty sure his will be fine for another 5 years.

Yes, take a look if interested. Lenovo, HP have these desktop style servers. It's what you would find in small dental/doctor offices.

I kinda chuckle when I give 2 CPUs and 4gb RAM to a VM that I do BBS
stuff on. :D

That's the beauty of linux/bsd.

Whenever possible I try to stick with linux or mac before windows.

My kids however have window machines... They use their computers strictly for gaming. Plus Microsoft offers Family Safety.

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Hello niter3,

On Sun, Apr 28 2024 15:53:48 +0000, you wrote:

Yes, take a look if interested. Lenovo, HP have these desktop style servers. It's what you would find in small dental/doctor offices.

Pretty sure I'm in the same boat. I have an HP Proliant ML310e Gen8 with an Xeon processor and 32gb ram. It's in a desktop style case. I bought it used in great condition for like $300.

Whenever possible I try to stick with linux or mac before windows.

For servers, yes. However, I have a Windows 11 gaming machine here also that I use for day to day stuff.

Back to the original discussion, FYI, Virtualbox is installed with Proxmox installed in that. I'm currently testing my first "Automatic ESXi import" with my FreeBSD VM I don't use nearly as much (so if something bad happens, it's not one of my important VMs), just to see how easy this really is. 75% done and 1.5 hours in (it was a 500gb VM, so it's taking a bit).

I'm not sure if I'm actually going to go through with it completely, but I'm playing around to see if it can be done, and how easy it would actually be to do. I have also been tinkering in the web interface to see how it compares to ESXi as well. I do have to say, besides the containers - which I'll probably never use - they're actually alike in a lot of ways.

If I end up enjoying the test run in Virtualbox, maybe I'll just finish the job. :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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I'm not sure if I'm actually going to go through with it completely, but I'm playing around to see if it can be done, and how easy it would actually be to do. I have also been tinkering in the web interface to
see how it compares to ESXi as well. I do have to say, besides the containers - which I'll probably never use - they're actually alike in a lot of ways.

Awesome. Once you get it moved all over, at least for me it was pretty smooth sailing afterwards...

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Hello niter3,

On Mon, Apr 29 2024 15:35:54 +0000, you wrote:

Awesome. Once you get it moved all over, at least for me it was pretty smooth sailing afterwards...

Yeah, it's not bad at all, really. I'm at the point where I'd have to think about actually going through with it (basically, shutting down my services VM to import it, installing Proxmox on the server, and doing a backup/restore for each VM to move them from Virtualbox to the server), or not. Everything works great the way it is, and while I don't doubt that after actually completing this it would work great also, I really don't need to do it. It's more or less a "just because I could" kinda thing, I guess.

Which reminds me, when you boot Proxmox, all you get is a note telling you to access your server from the address/port, and then a login prompt. I do enjoy the fact that ESXi has somewhat of a CLI interface letting you know your hardware, CPU, RAM, accessible domain, IPv4, IPv6 addresses, and options <F2> to customize system/view logs, etc. But on the other hand, Proxmox just gives you a full shell where you can view and do any of that anyway.

So, let's see what happens when I get bored and have some free time next. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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So, let's see what happens when I get bored and have some free time
next. ;)

Make the move for thr simple fact that Broadcom took them over... ?

Check out xcp-ng too... Another alternative....

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Hello niter3,

On Tue, Apr 30 2024 03:54:54 +0000, you wrote:

Make the move for thr simple fact that Broadcom took them over... ?

Oddly enough, that doesn't affect me whatsoever - until I want to upgrade, of course.

Check out xcp-ng too... Another alternative....

DAMNIT MIKE. You can't open me up to all these viable alternatives without me having to actually try them out, which is using up precious free time I shouldn't be wasting doing this kind of shit. LOL

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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DAMNIT MIKE. You can't open me up to all these viable alternatives
without me having to actually try them out, which is using up precious free time I shouldn't be wasting doing this kind of shit. LOL

:)

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