I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and you have a
to scale down your set up but you still have to use the internet for work [and BBS of course]
what would you use between a raspberry pi 5 and any small factor computer [exemple a intel nuc]
I
I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof
and it's not going to stop anytime soon
S

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On 06 Feb 2024 at 11:53a, Ultra Magnus pondered and said...

I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof
and it's not going to stop anytime soon

I'm looking to migrate some services off larger tower gear I run and hope to move things to a Pi4 in the coming weeks.

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Hello Avon!

07 Feb 24 11:55, you wrote to Ultra Magnus:

I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to
go through the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon

I'm looking to migrate some services off larger tower gear I run and
hope to move things to a Pi4 in the coming weeks.

Proxmox.... Nothing less, nothing more....



Vorlon


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I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and
you have a to scale down your set up but you still have to use the UM> internet for work [and BBS of course] what would you use between a UM> raspberry pi 5 and any small factor computer [exemple a intel nuc]
I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon

So I'm in the U.S., and I've heard that some other countries electricity is much more expensive but... here, I would worry about EITHER one of those setups at all... the Pi will probably sip less juice, but even if both above machines are on 24/7 I wouldn't notice any increase at all!! If you turn them off while not in use, even more so...

That being said, I don't 'notice' running some 5 Raspberry Pi's, 2 1U servers, an iMac and around 2-5 other laptops... and a house full of electronics - so I might use more power than most??? :P



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I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and
you have a
to scale down your set up but you still have to use the internet for
work [and BBS of course]
what would you use between a raspberry pi 5 and any small factor
computer [exemple a intel nuc]

I am running this BBS on a Pi 2 and it runs quite well. I am calling
into it using an UP Board sbc which also works quite well. As it has an
intel chip, it is in a different price range than the pi.

I also have a galileo sbc (intel) that I was able to get really cheap. Unfortunately, it does not even have enough resources to recompile a
kernel so I could not do too much with it, but it does function well as a network print server.



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Ultra Magnus wrote to All <=-

I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and
you have a to scale down your set up but you still have to use the internet for work [and BBS of course] what would you use between a raspberry pi 5 and any small factor computer [exemple a intel nuc] I
I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon

I think it depends on the load you're running and how you're using it.
Are you talking about using either as a desktop, or running a homelab? I
tried using a Raspberry Pi 3 and 4 as a desktop, neither were very good.
I hear Pi 5s are coming closer, but for a primary desktop, I'd prefer a
system running on a lower-power Intel chip.

Pis do make handy homelab servers, if you're looking to run a server and
need a low-power system. It should be able to handle a file share,
PiHole, even some containers.

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I
tried using a Raspberry Pi 3 and 4 as a desktop, neither were very
good.

I have a Pi 3 that I use for some desktop activities. It is really good
with programs that don't eat up a lot of resources, like claws mail and gnumeric. However, it has a lot of difficulty with a modern web browser
(vs. most "modern" sites that are loaded up with crap), and with video streaming (from YT) or playback with vlc.

You watch those videos of people reviewing some of these sbcs on YT and
you really wonder how on earth they got the results they did. My
experience is that most of them do not perform near as well in my
real-life.

The Pi 2 I have quickly lost xwindows. It works a lot better as a cli
only machine.



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Blue White wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I have a Pi 3 that I use for some desktop activities. It is really
good with programs that don't eat up a lot of resources, like claws
mail and gnumeric. However, it has a lot of difficulty with a modern
web browser (vs. most "modern" sites that are loaded up with crap), and with video streaming (from YT) or playback with vlc.

You watch those videos of people reviewing some of these sbcs on YT and you really wonder how on earth they got the results they did. My experience is that most of them do not perform near as well in my real-life.

Yeah, I tried using a Pi 3 as a streaming audio box, running Chrome and
streaming Pandora and Spotify. It was painful. A Pi 4 was a little
better. I settled on an old core 2 duo box I had laying around, and
that works well. I keep it turned off when not in use, so power isn't
an issue.




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Hi,
Just from my experience here I've not tried to use the Pi's for a proper desktop environment. I've read they will get you by but just lack in that regard. Here I use them for their low power consumption but dedicated to single tasks. My BBS is on a Pi3B+ another is driving my Pi-Star Ham radio hot spot. So it's handling smiplex radio transmittion and encode/decode of VoIP data to/from the Brandmeister network for DMR radio neatly. I have a Banana Pi, they are billed as clones but really are just work-a-like machines with different BIOS routines that kept me from using them to drive some projects but again make a good server unit for the household. The daily driver here is actually an old minitower An HP 8300 ultra small slim business computer with Linux Mint. That utilizes an external power supply like a notebook but this is not running 24/7 like the RPi/BPi units.
So, hopefully that lends to the pool of decision making for you.
Hope you find something that works for you.

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thanks for the information since I currently run a pi 3b+ with telnet but I
got I three pi 5 coming so I will be able to relocate the pi 3b+ for low
power home server system

but I see your point and I will take it in account when restructuring my network for a better power management

thanks for the info and best regards
Ultra Magnus

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hello Fortran

this is an interesting point of view can you elaborate on the matter please ? not in to much detail of course

thanks in advance for the information
best regars
Ultra Magnus

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thanks paulie for the reply

please note that here since EDF [‚lectricit‚ de france] when into the market the cost of electricity was calculated differently that it was in 2016

So I'm in the U.S., and I've heard that some other countries electricity is much more expensive but... here, I would worry about EITHER one of those setups at all... the Pi will probably sip less juice, but even if both above machines are on 24/7 I wouldn't notice any increase at all!!
If you turn them off while not in use, even more so./

so yes running a computer h24 like my main pc can start to cost a bit of
money that why that I research new way to do my work on less power hungry machine like the pi [and/or the clone of the pi] or the small factor pc like the nuc S

thanks for the reply and I see you later maybe on the MRC

best regards Ultra Magnus

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I'm looking to migrate some services off larger tower gear I run and
hope to move things to a Pi4 in the coming weeks.

interesting please let me know of your adventure in the realms of migration
to the pi

best chance's
Ultra Magnus

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I also have a galileo sbc (intel) that I was able to get really cheap. Unfortunately, it does not even have enough resources to recompile a kernel so I could not do too much with it, but it does function well as a network print server.

that unfortunate that your galileo can't recompile a kernel but if you can
do other type of work like said a network print server that great

I am running this BBS on a Pi 2 and it runs quite well. I am calling
into it using an UP Board sbc which also works quite well. As it has an intel chip, it is in a different price range than the pi.

you manage to find a bbs software that can run with no overloading your pi 2 i'm curious what king of bbs software you are using

either way I give mu best regards

Ultra Magnus/

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you manage to find a bbs software that can run with no overloading
your pi 2
i'm curious what king of bbs software you are using

Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without issue. Note
that I am *not* running X windows on that machine. I am running the BBS,
and binkd, via the command line.

If I were running X windows on the pi2, I am sure it would be overloaded
even without the BBS.



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Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without issue. Note that I am *not* running X windows on that machine. I am running the BBS, and binkd, via the command line.

If I were running X windows on the pi2, I am sure it would be overloaded even without the BBS.

I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope with linux because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a linux version as far that I know of

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Hi Ultra Magnus,

Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without
issue. Note

I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope
with linux because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a linux version as far that I know of

Talisman is very much Lunix compatable, and compiles from source code
without issued...

Apam has done a great job at making it work on non x86 archs.

This install is running on a Amiga 3000, with Debian Linux M68k.


\/orlon
aka
Stephen

Rocking Amiga 3000 powerd, Linux M68K.



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Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without

issue. Note

that I am *not* running X windows on that machine. I am running

I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope
with linux
because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a linux version
as far
that I know of

It has a linux version. You do need to compile it.

talismanbbs.com



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I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope
with linux because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a

linux

version as far that I know of

Talisman is very much Lunix compatable, and compiles from source code without issued...

This install is running on a Amiga 3000, with Debian Linux M68k.

Really?? Awesome. I know it'll run on Haiku as well. Running Talisman on
my headless linux via proxmox myself.


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Hi J0HNNY a1PHA,

This install is running on a Amiga 3000, with Debian Linux M68k.

Really?? Awesome. I know it'll run on Haiku as well. Running Talisman
on my headless linux via proxmox myself.

Yes really! It's not in anyway a speed deamon (68040@40mhz and only 128mb
of ram), but it works.

Why you may ask.. Cause I could and wanted to see if it would work.. ^-)


\/orlon
aka
Stephen

Rocking Amiga 3000 powerd, Linux M68K.



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