Go .. you have to answer before November 15th at 8pm EST :)

I think Tyson will win, or Jake, one of the two.

I can't decide but it'll be on Netflix and my kids are making me watch it.

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I think Tyson will win, or Jake, one of the two.

I can't decide but it'll be on Netflix and my kids are making me watch it.

im thinking it'll be a draw or a split decision. or Tyson does his own
thing and knocks him lit in the 1st round.

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I didn't watch, but I'd be amazed if Tyson didn't win.

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I think Tyson will win, or Jake, one of the two.

I can't decide but it'll be on Netflix and my kids are making me watch

I wasn't planning on watching, but sort of felt like a moment when
everyone I knew was texting/skeeting about it.

Then seeing Tyson geting repeatedly punched in the face by a guy half his
age, with Paul spritzing himself with with his own brand of body spray
like a fish out of water trying to stay moist.

Ugh. Nothing against WWE, but when did boxing become WWE?

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, felt
like i was watching on AOL.

I can't get that hour of my life back can I

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Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: j0hnny a1pha to The Godfather on Sat Nov 16 2024 10:29 am

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, felt like i was watching on AOL.

I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.

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Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Nightfox to j0hnny a1pha on Sat Nov 16 2024 11:04:58

Hi, Nightfox.

I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.

I was talking to one of my customers in the week (my customers are UK altnets, usually 1 - 100k subscribers with most at the lower end of that) and he was saying there had been (I think it was) a Call of Duty patch pushed last week which saw them soak up over a Tbps of traffic for several hours. I will have to ask him what the fight did to their peering...

As much as people will automatically blame Netflix for the buffering, it's really hard for an ISP to model a network for these kinds of peaks, which are often more than one order of magnitude above "normal" peak traffic levels. Everyone would love to lay on 100x as much transit and peering as they normally need but then nobody would buy their product because it just wouldn't cost in. Not to mention that throwing gigabit fibre services into residential customers means the edge has orders of magnitude more capacity than the core, so customers can effectively DDoS their provider in surge conditions.

Maybe Netflix also didn't anticipate the demand, I dunno.

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I didn't watch, but I'd be amazed if Tyson didn't win.

Replying to myself... After hearing about the cluster-f the whole thing turned out to be, I guess I'm less 'amazed' he didn't win but I'll admit my guess on who won was wrong.

A few years ago, I remember idubbz (or however you spell his handle) did a YouTube boxing special called 'Creator Clash' or something that was a huge hit and streamed on YouTube.. not sure why Netflix dropped the ball so bad on this special.

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Hi Bob,
In a message to Nightfox you wrote:

As much as people will automatically blame Netflix for the buffering,
it's really hard for an ISP to model a network for these kinds of
peaks, which are often more than one order of magnitude above
"normal" peak traffic levels.

So true. What's funny though? We watched it on a pirated ppv feed on
iptv, quality was perfect and it only buffered twice for 3 seconds. Watched the entire almost 4 hours.

I'm with bhell Canada as a ISP on their fibe service so I guess they really
are the country's best.

Shawn


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Then seeing Tyson geting repeatedly punched in the face by a guy half his age, with Paul spritzing himself with with his own brand of body spray like a fish out of water trying to stay moist.

That was so sad, watching how slow he walked. My kids were getting mad they sat through 4 hours of boxing to watch that. I tried my best to spin it by saying that it's a good reminder to be the best version of yourself because once you hit 50 it sucks ;)

Ugh. Nothing against WWE, but when did boxing become WWE?

That first match was incredibly lame. I've never seen two more out of shape boxers in my life somehow make it through however may (not worth watching) rounds they did.

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, felt like i was watching on AOL.

Yes, spending more time watching a spinning red buffer on the TV was enough to throw the "Smart" TV's through the window of (fill in retailer here) like an old Discount Tire Add.

I can't get that hour of my life back can I

You should have watched all 4 fights, you'd own a WWE belt :) haha

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I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.

I recall yelling the same thing at the TV after about the 15th time the buffering kicked in. It's a top reason to bring BD's back to the retail stores. The audio sucked too, frequently going out during key moments of the fight; just about as bad as Prime introducing pay per view before they even had 5.1 dolby digital.

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Replying to myself... After hearing about the cluster-f the whole thing turned out to be, I guess I'm less 'amazed' he didn't win but I'll admit my guess on who won was wrong.

I was really hoping he would have. I like stories of redemption.

A few years ago, I remember idubbz (or however you spell his handle) did
a YouTube boxing special called 'Creator Clash' or something that was a huge hit and streamed on YouTube.. not sure why Netflix dropped the ball so bad on this special.

I never looked it up, but would assume they had not anticipated so many viewers at one time. I can't imagine how many millions were trying to tune in. During the match, they were advertising that Netflix would be streaming the NFL next year; let's hope they learn from this and get.it.right. I would imagine even more unhappy fans if they don't.

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Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Tiny to Bob Worm on Sun Nov 17 2024 06:03:25

Hi, Tiny.

So true. What's funny though? We watched it on a pirated ppv feed on iptv, quality was perfect and it only buffered twice for 3 seconds. Watched the entire almost 4 hours.

To be honest that doesn't really exonerate your ISP - any ISP of a reasonable size will be peering with Netflix, if there's suddenly a huge increase in Netflix traffic then that's the first place that'll congest. Your pirated feed would presumably be coming in from some Internet backwater, probably out of country, so could easily arrive on tier 1 transit (or at least different peering) and not go near the congested link.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: The Godfather to Nightfox on Sun Nov 17 2024 10:39 am

I recall yelling the same thing at the TV after about the 15th time the buffering kicked in. It's a top reason to bring BD's back to the retail stores. The audio sucked too, frequently going out during key moments of

BD, as in blu-ray discs? I still like to buy them, and these days I often buy them from Amazon or other online retailers.

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Replying to myself... After hearing about the cluster-f the whole thing turned out to be, I guess I'm less 'amazed' he didn't win but I'll admit my guess on who won was wrong.

I would _like_ it if the occasional 58 year old can beat a mediocre (but still competent) 27-year-old, but not this time, I suppose.

I think, for anyone who remembers some portion of when Tyson was at the peak of his powers (or picked up the NES game), he seemed amazing enough that, under the right conditions, he had a shot.

So, disappointing that it didn't happen, or wind up being an amazing fight, but I can definitely see why the idea was compelling.

Not that I watched the fight -- I stayed up pretty late, here, and it was still at the, "the stream will begin in x minutes" stage.

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buffering kicked in. It's a top reason to bring BD's back to the retail stores. The audio sucked too, frequently going out during key moments

I've been using DVDs to make my Jellyfin collection, and it's a nice experience.

No worries that stuff will disappear (well, other than if something happens with my hardware), no need to pay monthly fees, and I know the answer of, "Is it available on..." is answered with, "well, as long as I can get a DVD of it..."

BluRay would probably require me to get a much more impressive media server. But I watch things on either a small-ish computer monitor, or a pocket projector with terrible resolution, so it'd mostly be wasted space.

Mind you, I don't want to have all these physical things (and generally don't keep them for long), but media is _so_ much nicer when it comes with a side of being able to control it myself.

I just hope that the new movies and shows will still get at least small print runs.

Since I much prefer the digital things, if only they didn't come with a side of control shifting to people trying to extract more money from me.

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: Adept to The Godfather on Sun Nov 17 2024 10:23 pm

Mind you, I don't want to have all these physical things (and generally don't keep them for long), but media is _so_ much nicer when it comes with a side of being able to control it myself.

That's one main reason I still like to buy movies & TV shows I like on physical media. Also, the quality is generally better than what you get with streaming, and they tend to come with extras such as behind-the-scenes and other documentaries & featurettes & stuff.

I'd be okay if they sold them as DRM-free downloadable media (and I could back them up on an external hard drive), but unfortunately they don't. Thus, I'm one of the people who likes to buy the discs and rip them (and since they make 4K discs somewhat tricky to rip, I've done some research and bought an optical drive for my PC capable of ripping 4K discs).

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On 16 Nov 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Netflix engineers clearly not ready for the load on their system, fel like i was watching on AOL.

I didn't watch the fight, but that bugs me about streaming services. If it was televized on broadcast/cable TV, there wouldn't be any streaming issues. I know a few people who were also watching the fight last night and they were having buffering issues too.
Nightfox

Yup it was bad. They say 250 Million tuned to a nice buffer wheel. It's not like Netflix doesn't have the network for it. My guess is they didn't properly leverage their network. Should have been piped all the way down to the local servers and then out from there. From what I have seen no comment about the issues at all. Sweeping under the rug.

no one will forget your fail netflix. Our kids will know about it forever due to the Youtube guy.

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I'd be okay if they sold them as DRM-free downloadable media (and I
could back them up on an external hard drive), but unfortunately they don't. Thus, I'm one of the people who likes to buy the discs and rip them (and since they make 4K discs somewhat tricky to rip, I've done
some research and bought an optical drive for my PC capable of ripping
4K discs).

Yeah, same. I would likely spend more on media if I got something where "owning" meant something that it did not matter if the company changed their mind, went out of business, I lost my password, I am off the internet, and so on.

Honestly, probably why I've bought a lot of Humble Bundles despite having a very low use rate, and why I'm sad that many of the book bundles are now done through Kobo.

If companies want to treat me like a pirate, I want to pay for things like a pirate.

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If companies want to treat me like a pirate, I want to pay for things
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BD, as in blu-ray discs? I still like to buy them, and these days I
often buy them from Amazon or other online retailers.

Yeah blu-ray. I used to impulse buy them more during visits to Best Buy or (pick a name) general store/grocer. The departments have widdled if not vanished, it's a bummer to see. I suppose I'll have to check out Amazon, I haven't in some time, it was (in the distant past) more complicated for me to find the new releases (if I didn't know what they were ..) than an end cap at a store however I'm sure that has changed.

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I've been using DVDs to make my Jellyfin collection, and it's a nice experience.

I've had getting Jellyfin up and going for some time now, I bought the gear for it even. I just haven't had the time. The interface looks like a nice replacement for Netflix if I can get my entire collection on the server.

BluRay would probably require me to get a much more impressive media server. But I watch things on either a small-ish computer monitor, or a pocket projector with terrible resolution, so it'd mostly be wasted
space.

That will be my fear (or love .. haven't figured that one out yet) is more hard drives. I have 36tb, whats another XX?

Mind you, I don't want to have all these physical things (and generally don't keep them for long), but media is _so_ much nicer when it comes
with a side of being able to control it myself.

You don't miss the joy and pleasure of removing the plastic from the cassette, CD, DVD, etc.. and getting that "new media" smell? I suppose it's a bit nostalgic, maybe a bit hoarding, or to your point, just having ownership of the media collectively for me. I remember cancelling my Apple Music subscription and losing saved music. I felt a bit cheated after several months of membership fees; despite knowing I signed up for that.

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Hello The Godfather!

** On Thursday 21.11.24 - 19:28, The Godfather wrote to Adept:

[...] I remember cancelling my Apple Music subscription
and losing saved music. I felt a bit cheated after
several months of membership fees; despite knowing I
signed up for that.

The Spotify desktop app used to allow selecting the text of a
current playlist.

Eg. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/ 1NnSmPEdaQqXT2a8yk1Pln?si=6I9z0ROYRImqWhIACj7Llw

Now I am not sure if anyone/non-members can even sample the
30sec clips anymore.

And.. then pasting it to produce something like this [after a
little bit of artistic license here]:

[TRACK num]
[Song title]
[Artist]
[Album]
[Time]

1
The Times They Are A-Cha...
Bettye LaVette
Things Have Changed
5:07

2
Change On The Rise
Avi Kaplan
I'll Get By
4:00

3
Promises
Royal Wood
The Burning Bright
3:34

4
Goodnight, California
Kathleen Edwards
Asking For Flowers
6:28

5
Dodged A Bullet
Greg Laswell
Everyone Thinks I Dodge...
3:27

6
Time Stand Still
The Hooters
Time Stand Still
3:52

7
Lucky Man
Urban Hymns (Deluxe / Rem...
4:53

8
Subdivisions
Jacob Moon
Fascination
5:44

9
I Wanna Live In LA
Kristina Train
Dark Black
3:54

10
Lifetime Ago
Greg Laswell
Everyone Thinks I Dodged A..
3:40

11
That's How Much I Need Your ...
Chuck Prophet
No Other Love
4:06

12
It Ain't My Fault
Brothers Osborne
Pawn Shop
3:36

13
Race To The Bottom
Glen Hansard
This Wild Willing
6:15

14
Where The Bottles Break
John Gorka
Pure John Gorka
4:59

15
Far From Any Road
The Handsome Family
Singing Bones
2:46

16
Mississippi
The Secret Sisters
You Don't Own Me Anymore
4:22

17
Dig It
Tom Wilson
Tom Wilson's Planet Love
2:45

18
Par Citu Meiteni
Gustavo
PilsŽ"tas PortŽ?ls
3:09

I created the above by taking multiple screenshots of what the
Spotify display listed, pasting the images vertically to
produce one long list, and then feeding to an img-to-text
scanner.

It would be very nice indeed to save such lists to review,
reminisce, or share.

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I've had getting Jellyfin up and going for some time now, I bought the gear for it even. I just haven't had the time. The interface looks
like a nice replacement for Netflix if I can get my entire collection on the server.

Yeah, once you have enough stuff in it, it really does feel like using a decent streaming service.

Possibly better than a lot of them, since it's not as if you're getting ads or terrible suggestions.

You don't miss the joy and pleasure of removing the plastic from the cassette, CD, DVD, etc.. and getting that "new media" smell? I suppose it's a bit nostalgic, maybe a bit hoarding, or to your point, just

Well, sure, that's pleasant, but then there's the unpleasantness of having a pile of stuff that has questionable amounts of usage.

So I've tended to really only hold on to stuff that I think would be hard to find again. So things like the BBS Documentary (which, admittedly, my copy lives at my brother's place, I think), or the variety of organ DVDs I've been collecting.

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Amazon, I haven't in some time, it was (in the distant past) more complicated for me to find the new releases (if I didn't know what they were ..) than an end cap at a store however I'm sure that has changed.

I miss RedBox.

Mind you, I've mostly been out of the country, so I've missed it for slightly different reasons than people who were using it up until it mostly stopped existing, but still.

I guess I also miss Netflix DVDs, though that's further in the past.

For buying DVDs, I've avoided Amazon where I can, so have gotten familiar with random sites on the internet. E.g., media-dealer.de. It's a _little_ weird finding an ordering from a random internet site I haven't heard of before, but it wound up working out pretty well.

I think physical discs might still be a bit more common in Germany, though I'm not sure. But the challenge of finding something I want to buy is possibly easier online than in person, so I'm sure I'm part of the problem of declining sales.

I _have_ been using my local library more, though. Though it costs 1 Euro per DVD to borrow any DVD, which was different from in the US, where the only ones that cost anything (in the libraries I was familiar with) were ones that basically let you skip the line, and the libraries charging for it meant that the extra copies paid for themselves.

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Hi Adept,
In a message to The Godfather you wrote:

I've had getting Jellyfin up and going for some time now, I

Yeah, once you have enough stuff in it, it really does feel like using
a decent streaming service.

I've been running plex for a a long time, and subsonic even longer. I
recently shut down subsonic not because it didnt' work, but because I was
tired of keeping a JRE installed and updated.

I know it's not open source but I've never paid plex a penny in a dozen or
more years and I haven't found a feature it needed money for.

Main reason I can't switch away is the client, the plex client still works
on a really old roku stick the wife uses on an even older TV in the bedroom.

Well, sure, that's pleasant, but then there's the unpleasantness of
having a pile of stuff that has questionable amounts of usage.

We threw out around 500 DVD's this year to make room for our son to move
back in. I'd say we still have around 200 movies, and a few TV shows on
DVD and VHS (yes VHS), but we mostly watch those when we go to the trailer
as internet is $$$ there.

Shawn

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Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
By: The Godfather to Adept on Thu Nov 21 2024 07:28 pm

BluRay would probably require me to get a much more impressive media
server. But I watch things on either a small-ish computer monitor, or a
pocket projector with terrible resolution, so it'd mostly be wasted
space.

That will be my fear (or love .. haven't figured that one out yet) is more hard drives. I have 36tb, whats another XX?

Most of my collection is 4K and 1080p blu-ray, and I only have an 18TB drive for media in my Plex media server PC, and it's not even near full yet. But I do tend to transcode my movies after I rip them so that they're smaller. I do back up the original full-size rips onto an external USB hard drive though (and I keep a backup of my Plex media as well).

Nightfox
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