Ogg wrote to All <=-
"It's a feeling increasingly shared by consumers and collectors
across Canada. After years of digitizing everything, people are rediscovering the value of physical assets. DVDs, vinyl records
and film cameras are all experiencing a renaissance. Even
cassette tapes are making a comeback.
When your media company goes out of business, good luck having your restricted media still be available, or play.
The other is digital rights management - the shift from purchasing music to "obtaining a license". Before we just had to worry about not being
able to make archival copies, backup copies, or copies intended for playback on a media not supported by the work of art - all things guaranteed by the copyright act of 1974.
Now, publishers want to be able to rescind rights to previously-licensed media - Amazon has already done that on the Kindle store.
When your media company goes out of business, good luck having your restricted media still be available, or play.
"When everything is digital, why we long for media we can hold
in our hands"
"People are rediscovering the value of DVDs, records after
years of digitizing everything.
I want a rule where companies cant take back access earlier than 5 years else the customer gets the media purchase price for free. People get at least a 5 year lease on the content.
I am starting to buy blu rays even from other regions in the world since licencing rules for streaming is a pisser. The BBC/ITV owns a streaming service to air stuff outside the UK, but some of their shows are not on their service. So I have to buy the blu rays if i can find them.
I want a rule where companies cant take back access earlier than
5 years else the customer gets the media purchase price for free. People get at least a 5 year lease on the content.
There are a few titles that haven't been released in the US at all. I've bought a couple blu-rays from the UK that were released there but not
here.
Streaming is "home theatre". So, just as you would not "own" a
movie for the price of admission at a commercial theatre, you
only get to lease the film at home.
But anyway, rant aside, I've never bought any movies only from an online str
Wait until you find out you can buy game online and have its music licenses revoked years after.
See, some game companies buy the rights for the music they incorporate to their game for a limited span of time. When the license expires, the game can no longer use that music. IN the case of games that need a permanent connection to work, they tipically replace your music automatically without asking.
I've often thought "digital" was a poor term for streamed
media, since physical formats such as CD, DVD, etc. are
digital media.. The first time I saw a DVD movie in the
store that said "digital copy included",..
But anyway, rant aside, I've never bought any movies only
from an online streaming service. I've heard a couple
stories where someone bought a movie from an online
streaming service, and that movie later was removed, so
they weren't able to access & watch it anymore. If I buy
something, I expect to have it around at any time.
Aside from that, there can be other issues with streaming
services, such as bufering, and the occasional outage from
the service and/or your internet provider.
I'm not entirely surprised to hear people are rediscovering
the value of owning physical media.
When your media company goes out of business, good luck
having your restricted media still be available, or play.
I have a similar frustration with Apple here. I've
purchased a ton over the years through the iTunes store and
I'm fearful things will just continue to migrate to
streaming services and the concept of purchasing and owning
music or movies will basically die.
I've noticed a steep decline in what the iTunes store
offers as far as movies are concerned. In years past it
seemed like anything you would search for could be found on
iTunes, nowadays my searches keep turning up empty.
I've often thought "digital" was a poor term for streamed
media, since physical formats such as CD, DVD, etc. are
digital media.. The first time I saw a DVD movie in the
store that said "digital copy included",..
I've always seen that clarified by "DOWNLOADABLE digital".
I've "rented" a viewing of a handful of films or documentaries,
but then I recorded a copy for later viewing suitable to MY
schedule at the same time! <g>
The physical copy is ideal for campers, cottagers, RVers (and
even my rural self where I don't need nor want internet 24/7),
..where access to a fast internet is simply not possible. I
qualified to be part of the first rollout of Musk's Starlink,
but even the "introductory" price was pretty high.
Nightfox wrote to Matthew Munson <=-
There are a few titles that haven't been released in the US at all.
I've bought a couple blu-rays from the UK that were released there but
not here.
There are a few titles that haven't been released in the US at all.
I've bought a couple blu-rays from the UK that were released there
but not here.
I haven't bought a Blu-Ray player. Do they still do that region locking that DVD players do?
People should have a mininum time they get their content.
It would suck if you paid 29.99 for a video game download
and then they pull it from the store where you cant get a
new copy if your machine went down.
Most streaming services include a "streaming" price and a "purchase" price, with the purchase price being comparable to a DVD purchase.
When the purchase disappears, I'd get the FTC involved for
unfair trade practices
I think I've heard about that. That's a bit crazy.. I mainly play PC games The most recent console I have is a Nintndo Wii.
When the purchase disappears, I'd get the FTC involved for
unfair trade practices
I would bet that no one cares, yet.
I think the most well known case was GTA IV's. It probably was because they use a lot of non-original music. They got licenses on a lease for lots of popular songs from mainstreamish music houses. If you were playing GTA and got on a car, you could tun the car's radio and listen to this real world music. Until they removed it, that's it.
When the purchase disappears, I'd get the FTC involved for
unfair trade practices
I would bet that no one cares, yet.
I bet the people who cares, does care so much as not to buy their media from sellers that may make it magically disappear.
broadcast on TV is copyrighted, people are allowed to DVR
it. Years ago, there was a court ruling saying that the
use of VCRs for non-commercial recording was legal, which I
suppose is what set that in motion.
Even with access to a fast reliable internet connection at
home, I still like owning a copy of my media that I can
play any time. I've had a couple instances where streaming
media would start to buffer, or it (mainly Netflix) would
tell me their service is too busy and telling me to try
again later, etc.. And I also wouldn't want to buy a movie
on a streaming service, only for them to revoke or remove
it later.
broadcast on TV is copyrighted, people are allowed to DVR
it. Years ago, there was a court ruling saying that the
use of VCRs for non-commercial recording was legal, which I
suppose is what set that in motion.
Here in Canada, a "tax" was imposed on blank recordable DVDs
and CDs to accommodate that scenario.
A dilema for Audible users.. once they cancel the service, all
their "purchases" disappear.
But libro.fm is different:
[1] All content is DRM-less.
[2] You can pause a monthly subscription and resume later.
[3] Your purchases are yours after download, even after
cancellation.
See https://libro.fm/ashlies ;)
I took the liberty to convert most of my precious purchases to
mp3.
However, if you have downloaded copies of your purchases, they
should still play fine irregardless what iTunes does; you don't
need to be signed online to play local downloads.
Here in Canada, a "tax" was imposed on blank recordable DVDs
and CDs to accommodate that scenario.
How do they know you're going to use recordable DVDs and
CDs for that though?
All the really popular DVR boxes I've seen don't even use
optical media. Even back when DVD-Rs were popular, DVRs
such as the Tivo recorded to a hard drive. And as far as
CDs, you wouldn't record video to a CD, and I've never seen
anything that would record an audio broadcast to CD-R.
A dilema for Audible users.. once they cancel the service, all
their "purchases" disappear.
That's stupid.. So you still have to subscribe in order to
watch content that you've already purchased and 'own'.
See https://libro.fm/ashlies ;)
That's good. :)
Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-
broadcast on TV is copyrighted, people are allowed to DVR
it. Years ago, there was a court ruling saying that the
use of VCRs for non-commercial recording was legal, which I
suppose is what set that in motion.
Here in Canada, a "tax" was imposed on blank recordable DVDs
and CDs to accommodate that scenario.
Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-
A dilema for Audible users.. once they cancel the service, all
their "purchases" disappear.
That's stupid.. So you still have to subscribe in order to
watch content that you've already purchased and 'own'.
Yup. And with Audible, there is no "suspension" of service -
it's a continuous fixed monthly fee whether you intend to
purchase anymore audio books or not. Their audio files only
play on their apps.
Most streaming services include a "streaming" price and a "purchase"
price, with the purchase price being comparable to a DVD purchase.
When the purchase disappears, I'd get the FTC involved for
unfair trade practices
I would bet that no one cares, yet.
When the purchase disappears, I'd get the FTC involved for
unfair trade practices
I would bet that no one cares, yet.
I bet the people who cares, does care so much as not to buy their media from sellers that may make it magically disappear.
I've purchased a couple music albums that were download-
only in FLAC format, and they didn't have DRM. I feel
comfortable with a DRM-free media purchase, since I can
store it on a backup drive and do what I want with it, and
don't need a specific player to play it.
With Audible, you can cancel your subscription and still
listen to purchased content.
You can also buy content for a price, if I'm not mistaken.
The subscription allows you points each month to apply
against a purchase, exclusives and I think discounted
narration on Kindle books you already own.
Here, too. The recording industry lobbied for a levy on
any blank recordable CD, because, as you know, recordable
CDs caused the great media crash of 1990 - you remember
medic companies all filing for bankrupcy, the images of
locked office buildings, the media executives jumping out
of buildings, thousands of artists and media executives
unable to work or feed their families...
Oh, wait, that didn't happen - and I had to pay a levy to
crappy record labels to make CD backups.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
With Audible, you can cancel your subscription and still
listen to purchased content.
News to me. So, the app doesn't call the mothership to
authorize play?
You can also buy content for a price, if I'm not mistaken.
I think the term is a la carte. Libro.fm has that too.
But it I recall, if you cancel Audible, you loose your points.
Conversely with Libro.fm, if you suspend your service (to avoid
getting auto-billed on the membership) you still retain those
points when you resume the membership.
FLAC is wonderful. I don't think it can be DRMed.
I experimented in producing CDs with FLAC originals after
converting the files to Apple's version, ALAC. The burned CD
and the original master were indistiguishable, to me.
The industry sure made a big outcry of lost monies when mp3
emerged. But their industry was NOT overly affected at all.
Plenty of profits were still being made.
People often talk about the iPod as revolutionizing portable music, but even before the iPod was released, I remember seeing at least one MP3 player on t market, the Diamond Rio. It was sold in regular retail stores like Best Buy
I remember reading somewhere that the music industry wanted to halt sales of the Diamond Rio because of worry about ease of listening to downloaded music that wasn't paid for.
I bought a NetMD by Sony, it was better than the Diamond Rio. Best Buy
tried to promote Windows XP by saying you can buy a Diamond Rio for like 49.99, but they all never came in the store at the time I ordered Windows
XP upgrade for my PC back in 2001.
The RIAA filed a suit against Diamond, IIRC. Not sure it went anywhere though, but I do recall that the reason floated around in magazines at the time for the low on-board storage capacity was an attempt to "play nice" with the recording industry, even though you could insert an SD for additional storage.
As it came out of the box, I think you could get maybe 10 tracks on it. I remember having to expand the storage to get it usable as an everyday gizmo. It wasn't long before it replaced the tapes in my car though.
Did it actually have an SD card slot for additional storage? I didn't think cards existed at the time. For the time it was released, I imagined it may have used CompactFlash.
You're right, it was a flash card now I think about it. I seem to recall you could only add 32MB according to Diamond but if you got the right brand you could stick a 64MB in there. I'd have to look it up to be sure. I can't believe it was 24 years ago.
Nothing like nostalgia to make you feel old :(
I know what you mean.. I remember in 1997 (or so) buying my original Voodoo graphics card for my PC, and later a Voodoo 2 and thought it was one of the greatest computer products ever. Any game that supported
3DFX ran so fast with a Voodoo card. And that doeesn't seem like that long ago..
I still love Voodoo cards :) I have two Voodoo 2's in SLI, a couple of Voodoo 3's (but actually they're all in my amigas at the moment) and a 3500 tv card. The games with glide were so much fun.
Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an
Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had
PCI ports. And I would have thought the Voodoo cards would be too new
for Amigas to have drivers for them (unless there are 3rd-party
drivers?)
Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an
Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had
The use of a "Buss Board", is how Amiga's can access "some" pci devices that have drivers. There's actually a good range of them.
http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/bus
Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an
Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had PCI ports. And I would have thought the Voodoo cards would be too new for Amigas to have drivers for them (unless there are 3rd-party drivers?)
Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in
an Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas
The use of a "Buss Board", is how Amiga's can access "some" pci
devices that have drivers. There's actually a good range of them. http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/bus
That's interesting.
Yeah, the Amiga's have some 3rd party busboards which can take some (limited) PCI cards. The voodoo 3 is compatible in this case. It's
pretty niche and can't do terribly much but I love it for what it _can_ do, hehe
I think I saw that WinUAE may have some support to VooDoo emulation, but I'm so far away to understand how to even configure it and consume at OS level that I never truly cared.
I still find it impossible to configure 060 emulation in UAE properly,
so I still am kind of stuck with 040 with 060+ speed that is practically delivered by UAE on modern machines.
Atari8Guy wrote to Arelor <=-
Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of
the show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication
and when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..
Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of the show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication and
when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..
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Atari8Guy wrote to Arelor <=-
Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of
the show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication
and when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..
I hope some person with time on their hands decides to make a Spotify playlist of the best of (original) WKRP background music. It'd be pretty good.
Arelor wrote to Atari8Guy <=-
Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
I would not know. I don't even know what that shows is. For what you
say, it is likely.
I found a similar playlist on Spotify of all of the songs playing in th background of the movie "High Fidelity". Great listening!
I found a similar playlist on Spotify of all of the songs playing in
th background of the movie "High Fidelity". Great listening!
Link plz!
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWZ5kgu17cbcC
The industry sure made a big outcry of lost monies when mp3
emerged. But their industry was NOT overly affected at all.
Plenty of profits were still being made.
Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can
Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell you that the record companies and publishing companies get most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's why so many big
bands still tour. It's their only way to make any money.
during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not
The way he related the industry to me was that labels always screwed talent, but in the post-mp3 world, labels made sure they could survive
during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not cash.
...I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell
you that the record companies and publishing companies get
most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's
why so many big bands still tour. It's their only way to
make any money.
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