• Controlling fonts displayed

    From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-wg0-this to All on Thu Jun 4 19:19:28 2020
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    Question about fonts -- I don't care much for the strange-ish looking (to me) fonts that a stock SBBS system displays. I've turned that off on my board by renaming ../ctrl/fonts.ini ... Is there a way, using Syncterm when calling another board, to *NOT* display those fonts from that system, and have it show "normal" fonts?

    I guess it's more of a Syncterm question - can such a program "override" the fonts that the BBS it's connected to is sending? There is some kind of connection to Syncterm, because other terminal programs like NetRunner don't show those SBBS-specific fonts.

    Thanks for info!

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-hd2-this to Gamgee on Fri Jun 5 02:34:45 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Controlling fonts displayed
    By: Gamgee to All on Thu Jun 04 2020 12:19 pm

    Question about fonts -- I don't care much for the strange-ish looking (to me) fonts that a stock SBBS system displays. I've turned that off on my board by renaming ../ctrl/fonts.ini ...

    You could also just edit that file.

    Is there a way, using Syncterm when
    calling another board, to *NOT* display those fonts from that system, and have it show "normal" fonts?

    You could run SyncTERM in a non-graphical output mode (e.g. Win32 console mode).

    I guess it's more of a Syncterm question - can such a program "override" the fonts that the BBS it's connected to is sending?

    Not exactly, but you can run it in a mode that doesn't really "do" fonts.

    There is some kind of
    connection to Syncterm, because other terminal programs like NetRunner don't show those SBBS-specific fonts.

    The fonts aren't SBBS-specific, but yeah, I get your point.

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-ffr-this to Digital Man on Fri Jun 5 18:39:55 2020
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    To: Digital Man
    Re: Controlling fonts displayed
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Thu Jun 04 2020 07:34 pm

    Question about fonts -- I don't care much for the strange-ish looking (to me) fonts that a stock SBBS system displays. I've turned that off on my board by renaming ../ctrl/fonts.ini ...

    You could also just edit that file.

    Yes, I see that now after looking at it more closely. For my needs, it's easier to just rename it so it isn't used. :-)

    Is there a way, using Syncterm when
    calling another board, to *NOT* display those fonts from that system, and have it show "normal" fonts?

    You could run SyncTERM in a non-graphical output mode (e.g. Win32 console mode).

    Can't do that, I'm in a Windows-less environment...

    There is some kind of
    connection to Syncterm, because other terminal programs like NetRunner don't show those SBBS-specific fonts.

    The fonts aren't SBBS-specific, but yeah, I get your point.

    Yes, I guess a more correct statement would be "Syncterm-specific". I guess there isn't a good solution other than using something other than Syncterm, which I prefer to use.

    Got to say - I'm not a fan of the fonts-ability function. Kind of defeats the "old-skool" look/feel of BBS'ing, IMHO. ;-)

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-y9l-this to Gamgee on Sat Jun 6 00:08:42 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Controlling fonts displayed
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Fri Jun 05 2020 11:39 am

    Re: Controlling fonts displayed
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Thu Jun 04 2020 07:34 pm

    Question about fonts -- I don't care much for the strange-ish looking (to me) fonts that a stock SBBS system displays. I've turned that off on my board by renaming ../ctrl/fonts.ini ...

    You could also just edit that file.

    Yes, I see that now after looking at it more closely. For my needs, it's easier to just rename it so it isn't used. :-)

    Is there a way, using Syncterm when
    calling another board, to *NOT* display those fonts from that system, and have it show "normal" fonts?

    You could run SyncTERM in a non-graphical output mode (e.g. Win32 console mode).

    Can't do that, I'm in a Windows-less environment...

    If you mean on *nix, then run it in curses mode.

    There is some kind of
    connection to Syncterm, because other terminal programs like NetRunner don't show those SBBS-specific fonts.

    The fonts aren't SBBS-specific, but yeah, I get your point.

    Yes, I guess a more correct statement would be "Syncterm-specific". I guess there isn't a good solution other than using something other than Syncterm, which I prefer to use.

    I thought I gave you a good solution: change the SyncTERM output mode.

    Got to say - I'm not a fan of the fonts-ability function. Kind of defeats the "old-skool" look/feel of BBS'ing, IMHO. ;-)

    That all depends which school you went to. My earliest BBSing experiences were using Delightful Dialer on an Apple II where custom fonts were very much a thing. And of course there's Videotex, SkyPix, RIP, Robo, etc., all supporting fonts and all pretty *old*. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-tma-this to Digital Man on Sat Jun 6 05:23:00 2020
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    To: Digital Man
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Is there a way, using Syncterm when
    calling another board, to *NOT* display those fonts from that system, and have it show "normal" fonts?

    You could run SyncTERM in a non-graphical output mode (e.g. Win32 console mode).

    Can't do that, I'm in a Windows-less environment...

    If you mean on *nix, then run it in curses mode.

    Ahhh, yes. Duh. OK, I did do that, and it solves the font
    "issue", but has some drawbacks of it's own. Some ANSI stuff
    doesn't display quite right, but still useable.

    There is some kind of
    connection to Syncterm, because other terminal programs like NetRunner don't show those SBBS-specific fonts.

    The fonts aren't SBBS-specific, but yeah, I get your point.

    Yes, I guess a more correct statement would be "Syncterm-specific". I guess there isn't a good solution other than using something other than Syncterm, which I prefer to use.

    I thought I gave you a good solution: change the SyncTERM output
    mode.

    It was a "pretty good" solution, yes. :-)

    Got to say - I'm not a fan of the fonts-ability function. Kind of defeats the "old-skool" look/feel of BBS'ing, IMHO. ;-)

    That all depends which school you went to. My earliest BBSing
    experiences were using Delightful Dialer on an Apple II where
    custom fonts were very much a thing. And of course there's
    Videotex, SkyPix, RIP, Robo, etc., all supporting fonts and all
    pretty *old*. :-)

    Haha, OK, touche`!

    Yes, understood and agreed. I'm not really complaining here, just
    pointing out some observations and personal preferences. I'm
    happy with both SBBS and Syncterm. Thanks for your thoughts.



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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-rzy-this to Gamgee on Sat Jun 6 08:02:21 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    Re: Re: Controlling fonts displayed
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Fri Jun 05 2020 10:23 pm

    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Is there a way, using Syncterm when
    calling another board, to *NOT* display those fonts from that system, and have it show "normal" fonts?

    You could run SyncTERM in a non-graphical output mode (e.g. Win32 console mode).

    Can't do that, I'm in a Windows-less environment...

    If you mean on *nix, then run it in curses mode.

    Ahhh, yes. Duh. OK, I did do that, and it solves the font
    "issue", but has some drawbacks of it's own. Some ANSI stuff
    doesn't display quite right, but still useable.

    It should display "ANSI stuff" perfectly. If it doesn't, please file a bug report at https://sourceforge.net/p/syncterm/tickets/

    There is some kind of
    connection to Syncterm, because other terminal programs like NetRunner don't show those SBBS-specific fonts.

    The fonts aren't SBBS-specific, but yeah, I get your point.

    Yes, I guess a more correct statement would be "Syncterm-specific". I guess there isn't a good solution other than using something other than Syncterm, which I prefer to use.

    I thought I gave you a good solution: change the SyncTERM output
    mode.

    It was a "pretty good" solution, yes. :-)

    Got to say - I'm not a fan of the fonts-ability function. Kind of defeats the "old-skool" look/feel of BBS'ing, IMHO. ;-)

    That all depends which school you went to. My earliest BBSing experiences were using Delightful Dialer on an Apple II where
    custom fonts were very much a thing. And of course there's
    Videotex, SkyPix, RIP, Robo, etc., all supporting fonts and all
    pretty *old*. :-)

    Haha, OK, touche`!

    Yes, understood and agreed. I'm not really complaining here, just
    pointing out some observations and personal preferences. I'm
    happy with both SBBS and Syncterm. Thanks for your thoughts.

    Sure, no problem. It'd be trivial to create a exceptions for fonts (e.g. specific user levels, flags, whatever) on a specific BBS. I'll take a look at that.

    digital man

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  • From Gamgee@gamgee@PALANT.remove-our-this to Digital Man on Sat Jun 6 16:36:00 2020
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    To: Digital Man
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Got to say - I'm not a fan of the fonts-ability function. Kind of defeats the "old-skool" look/feel of BBS'ing, IMHO. ;-)

    That all depends which school you went to. My earliest BBSing experiences were using Delightful Dialer on an Apple II where
    custom fonts were very much a thing. And of course there's
    Videotex, SkyPix, RIP, Robo, etc., all supporting fonts and all
    pretty *old*. :-)

    Haha, OK, touche`!

    Yes, understood and agreed. I'm not really complaining here, just
    pointing out some observations and personal preferences. I'm
    happy with both SBBS and Syncterm. Thanks for your thoughts.

    Sure, no problem. It'd be trivial to create a exceptions for
    fonts (e.g. specific user levels, flags, whatever) on a specific
    BBS. I'll take a look at that.

    That's awesome. Thank you again.



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  • From Tracker1@tracker1@TRN.remove-hlh-this to Gamgee on Mon Jun 15 02:53:55 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    On 6/5/2020 9:39 AM, Gamgee wrote:
    The fonts aren't SBBS-specific, but yeah, I get your point.

    Yes, I guess a more correct statement would be "Syncterm-specific". I guess there isn't a good solution other than using something other than Syncterm, which I prefer to use.

    Got to say - I'm not a fan of the fonts-ability function. Kind of defeats the "old-skool" look/feel of BBS'ing, IMHO. ;-)

    I mostly agree, I think the functionality is pretty cool though. I
    think it mostly came out of supporting display/rendering for other
    platforms, like Amiga/Comodore 40/80 mode etc. And adding the escape
    code options was a natural extension.

    I'm kind of interrested in seeing a wasm build of the SyncTERM engine
    that can work against a canvas, and have hooks for io over websockets as
    well as keyboard input hooks. Though fTelnet work is also interresting.

    That's not to mention what it might take to get something like RIPTerm
    working in a canvas based emulator.

    All of that said, so many people are using their phones these days, it
    may take a bit more effort to get a clean interface for even message
    boards on a mobile device.

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  • From Tracker1@tracker1@TRN.remove-hlh-this to Gamgee on Mon Jun 15 02:59:31 2020
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    To: Gamgee
    On 6/5/2020 8:23 PM, Gamgee wrote:
    DM> If you mean on *nix, then run it in curses mode.

    Ahhh, yes. Duh. OK, I did do that, and it solves the font
    "issue", but has some drawbacks of it's own. Some ANSI stuff
    doesn't display quite right, but still useable.

    That may be an issue with your font and language (likely UTF8) selection
    and the font's support for block characters.

    "Fira Code" and "Cascadia Code" work pretty well... I've been using Fira
    Code for a while as my terminal default, but Cascadia Code should work
    pretty good as well. Inconsolata might be an options, but the block characters still need some tweaking in the font source/generation,
    they're pretty open to this if you take the time to submit a bug report
    with some test output and visual images for comparison.

    You might wish to create an issue/bug on sourceforge to add a site and
    global setting to use a fixed fonts and disable dynamic fonts at a
    global and per-site override.

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