Does anyone still use the old DOS BBS programs (doors and whatnot) anymore with Synchronet? Do they still even work properly?
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Does anyone still use the old DOS BBS programs (doors and
whatnot) anymore with Synchronet? Do they still even work
properly?
Did anyone ever chip in for those beerware ones that were out there?
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Jun 11 2022 05:59 pm
What is "beerware"? I've never heard of that. There was plenty of shareware that I had seen.
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Did anyone ever chip in for those beerware ones that were out there?
$ The Millionaire $
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Jun 11 2022 05:59 pm
Overwelmingly, the games that can still be registered and the author contacted to give money people do so. People still actively try to register LORD, and the people that own it don't have an easy way to do and they are frustrated.
Problem is, most stuff is 25+ years old and none of the contact information is good anymore. So, as much as I would like to buy the author a beer I can't.
I think Synchronet is technically beerware - DM has a donate button, I *think* I tossed DM beer money in the past, but if not this was a good reminder :)
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What was your favourite DOS BBS addon?
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Jun 12 2022 01:25 pm
I was pretty happy with Synchronet Match Maker for a while. Super popular at the time.
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Well apart from Synchronet was there any others? :-)
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Jun 11 2022 05:59 pm
Did anyone ever chip in for those beerware ones that were out there?
What is "beerware"? I've never heard of that. There was plenty of shareware that I had seen.
What was your favourite DOS BBS addon?
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Jun 12 2022 02:09 pm
You asked about DOS BBS addons. <shrug> I used a lot of them, door games obviously, and FidoNet mailers (FrontDoor, InterMail, D'bridge) and tossers (e.g. GEcho) before I had my own.
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I ran RemoteAccess in the 90s, and I had found a file lister/tagger door
and a file archive viewer door for RemoteAccess that I remember thinking were fairly cool.
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sat Jun 11 2022 10:54 pm
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Sat Jun 11 2022 05:59 pm
Did anyone ever chip in for those beerware ones that were out there?
What is "beerware"? I've never heard of that. There was plenty of shareware that I had seen.
It's technically just donationware. Basically, author would say it's freeware but if you liked the program and would like to buy them a beer send $5 to whatever address, so a few people called it beerware.
Could you elaborate? I'm running an EleBBS which runs RA doors. I'm looking for some decent options for files and most don't work properly or are crippled.
My faves were the ice programs by Jeremy Landvoigt. They were the most coolest out there. :-)
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jun 13 2022 06:26 pm
I liked those too.
My SlyEdit message editor has 2 UI modes, and one was modeled after IceEdit (the other mode was modeled after DCT Edit).
I also liked IceChat, the user-sysop split-screen chat door. One of its features was a hotkey for the sysop to simulate line noise.
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There's also abandonware too.
Too bad there is no IceChat clone out there that runs on Synchronet BBS. :-(
"abandonware" is a gray area. It really just means that anyone can do whatever they like with the program, because the author no longer maintains it, and there's no risk of the author coming after you.
_Technically_ if you crack the program, or use someone else's license you're still "stealing".
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jun 14 2022 09:59 am
IceChat runs on Synchronet BBS already. <shrug>
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Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #53:
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jun 14 2022 09:59 am
IceChat runs on Synchronet BBS already. <shrug>
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Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #53:
NAPLPS = North American Presentation Layer Protocol Syntax (ANSI X3.110) Norco, CA WX: 77.8°F, 53.0% humidity, 7 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
"abandonware" is a gray area. It really just means that anyone can
do whatever they like with the program, because the author no longer
maintains it, and there's no risk of the author coming after you.
_Technically_ if you crack the program, or use someone else's
license you're still "stealing".
If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be difficult to register the software..
Too bad there is no IceChat clone out there that runs on Synchronet
BBS. :-(
IceChat runs on Synchronet BBS already. <shrug>
When I ran IceChat on Synchronet BBS it would freeze up for some reason or another. <sighs>
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jun 14 2022 09:59 am
IceChat runs on Synchronet BBS already. <shrug>
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Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #53:
NAPLPS = North American Presentation Layer Protocol Syntax (ANSI X3.110) Norco, CA WX: 77.8øF, 53.0% humidity, 7 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
Can you post your settings on the wiki.synchro.net site please? Thanks.
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jun 14 2022 01:32 pm
IceChat ran fine for me when I used it, but one issue I saw was that it would suddenly quit at seemingly random times when chatting with a user.
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Tue Jun 14 2022 12:13 pm
Years ago, I had been using IceChat with the Windows verison of Synchronet, and I noticed when chatting with a few users, IceChat would suddenly exit after some amount of time. I don't know why it was doing that.. Now that I've moved my BBS to Linux, I'd be curious if IceChat is more stable in dosemu on Linux.
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jun 14 2022 02:21 pm
I don't have it currently installed, but I'll try to remember to give it a shot sometime and document what worked.
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Tue Jun 14 2022 12:13 pm
Too bad there is no IceChat clone out there that runs on Synchronet
BBS. :-(
IceChat runs on Synchronet BBS already. <shrug>
Years ago, I had been using IceChat with the Windows verison of Synchronet, and I noticed when chatting with a few users, IceChat would suddenly exit after some amount of time. I don't know why it was doing that.. Now that I've moved my BBS to Linux, I'd be curious if IceChat is more stable in dosemu on Linux.
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DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Tue Jun 14 2022
_Technically_ if you crack the program, or use someone else'slicense
you're still "stealing".
If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be difficult to register the software..
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Tue Jun 14 2022 12:15 pm
"abandonware" is a gray area. It really just means that anyone can
do whatever they like with the program, because the author no longer
maintains it, and there's no risk of the author coming after you.
_Technically_ if you crack the program, or use someone else's
license you're still "stealing".
If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be difficult to register the software..
correct. But if the author suddenly appeared after 30 years of not being able to be reached, they could demand payment and would likely win litigation over it.
you're still "stealing".
If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be difficult to register the software..
Oh no, not the MajorBBS weenies again! (: (:
I tried to help them, but they are beyond all help.
"THIS STUFF IS WORTH SOMETHING! YOU'RE STEALING!"
Oh no, not the MajorBBS weenies again! (: (:
I tried to help them, but they are beyond all help.
"THIS STUFF IS WORTH SOMETHING! YOU'RE STEALING!"
Feh.
yeah you're right. people shouldn't rationalize stealing.
maybe the guy never wanted it out.
i steal because i steal
(and I don't know of a case where it's actually happened).
If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life + 70 years"
--- MRO wrote --- Re: Old DOS BBS Programs By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on Wed
and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own the rights.
--- DAITENGU wrote --- Re: Old DOS BBS Programs By:
eh? what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
All I said is that "abandonware" should it suddenly not become
"abandoned", could land end-users in legal trouble. The chances are slim, but not zero (and I don't know of a case where it's actually happened).
If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life + 70 years"
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on Wed Jun 15 2022 12:11 pm
and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own the rights. ---
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i didnt have that problem with icechat. i didnt use it for a looong time though syncchat isnt bad. try that. it doesnt have a page the sysop feature but you could rig something
If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be
difficult to register the software..
Oh no, not the MajorBBS weenies again! (: (:
I tried to help them, but they are beyond all help.
"THIS STUFF IS WORTH SOMETHING! YOU'RE STEALING!"
Feh.
--- NIGHTFOX wrote --- Re: Old DOS BBS Programs By:
I wasn't complaining about stealing. And I never ran MajorBBS..
and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own the rights. ---
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jun 14 2022 10:52 pm
When I used RemoteAccess, RA had a sysop key to break into chat with the user, and RA would let you configure a custom chat utility to run when you did that, and I had IceChat set up for that, so it would run for break into chat without the page feature. I don't think Synchronet has the ability to configure an external sysop-user chat with a hotkey like that.
That's how my RemoteAccess is now. I used IceChat for that when I was running it in the 90's, and still use it today. I never remembered it dropping out like that, but I was using Lantastic with dos with 6 nodes. I haven't used it enough lately to see if it acts up on windows 10
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DesotoFireflite to Nightfox on Wed Jun 15 2022 03:15 pm
That's how my RemoteAccess is now. I used IceChat for that when I
was running it in the 90's, and still use it today. I never
remembered it dropping out like that, but I was using Lantastic with
dos with 6 nodes. I haven't used it enough lately to see if it acts
up on windows 10
Yeah, IceChat always worked fine on DOS with RemoteAccess for me in the 90s. I was saying it exits unexpectedly when I've used it on a modern PC with Synchronet.
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DaiTengu to the doctor on Wed Jun 15 2022 08:14 am
(and I don't know of a case where it's actually happened).
If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life + 70 years"
there's also many gray areas. like what did the author use to
develop it? did he use some type of kit he licensed? now you got
to deal with that issue.
i think it's okay to steal as long as you can't get ahold of the
guy and nobody gets hurt. then if the guy comes back, make it
beer ware.
and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own
the rights. ---
Is this story documented anywhere? I love me some good old-timey BBS drama, but don't want to put someone through having to explain it all to me.
--- MRO wrote --- Re: Old DOS BBS Programs By: the doctor to NIGHTFOX on Wed
and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own the rights.
Which one? There are two of them.
When I used RemoteAccess, RA had a sysop key to break into chat with the user, and RA would let you configure a custom chat utility to run when you did that, and I had IceChat set up for that, so it would run for break into chat without the page feature. I don't think Synchronet has the ability to configure an external sysop-user chat with a hotkey like that.
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: MRO to the doctor on Wed Jun 15 2022 07:36 am
and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own the rights. ---
Is this story documented anywhere? I love me some good old-timey BBS drama, but don't want to put someone through having to explain it all to me.
DaiTengu
When the dust settled from the lawsuits, I don't think he had to pay anybody anything and basically owned the Commodore name and some of the tradmarks, mostly because nobody used them in a long time and he called dibs.
So yea, appearantly you can just claim to own something until someone sues you, lol.
When the dust settled from the lawsuits, I don't think he had to pay
anybody anything and basically owned the Commodore name and some of
the tradmarks, mostly because nobody used them in a long time and he
called dibs.
So yea, appearantly you can just claim to own something until someone
sues
you, lol.
he also died, right?
He (Barry Altman) did die after all this, yes, back in 2012 and it fell apart right afterwords. I had a C64x case and it was really nice, I am curious what they would have come up with. Aside from the C64x their other stuff was mostly over-priced OEM computers they stuck a Commodore or Amiga logo on (well that and a Commodore themed Linux distro).
I don't know - but it reminds me of the guy who ran Commodore USA a
few years ago (he passed away a couple of years ago).
He couldn't figure out who owned the IP/Copyrights to Commodore, so...
he just started selling Commodore branded stuff until somebody sued
him (and they did).
So yea, appearantly you can just claim to own something until
someone sues you, lol.
I liked the old copyright requirement where you had to re-register your copyright every 20 years or so. If a property wasn't valuable to the original author, it reverted to the public domain. Neatly solves the problem of Abandonware.
Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Xerxes to MRO on Thu Jun 16 2022 10:04 am
He (Barry Altman) did die after all this, yes, back in 2012 and it fell apart right afterwords. I had a C64x case and it was really nice, I am curious what they would have come up with. Aside from the C64x their oth stuff was mostly over-priced OEM computers they stuck a Commodore or Amig logo on (well that and a Commodore themed Linux distro).
i know another sysop who got just the case.
i still have the commodoreOS isos. it's not worth using.
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Doorway was another favourite of mine as well. Desqview and QEMM
were pretty awesome too. :-)
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)
To: The Millionaire
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)
Qedit is/was not a "DOS BBS Program", which is what you asked about.
Qedit is a DOS text editor. Your response/answer is disqualified and
thrown out.
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Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)
Qedit is/was not a "DOS BBS Program", which is what you asked about. Qedit is a DOS text editor. Your response/answer is disqualified and thrown out.
The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-
It sounds like you run Dovenet too. :-P
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)
Qedit is/was not a "DOS BBS Program", which is what you asked about.
Qedit is a DOS text editor. Your response/answer is disqualified and thrown out.
Maybe he meant QuikEdit, which was a BBS full-screen message
editor: https://bit.ly/3OsaxR7
Well, hard to say when we're talking about TM. I would think if
somebody meant "QuikEdit", they'd say "QuikEdit".
I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor
for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.
The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-
It sounds like you run Dovenet too. :-P
I don't know what you're talking about, since you don't know how to
quote context when replying.
I loved RAHIST. A history addon. Did you ever use that one?
RABIR was a birthday addon. Very colorful.
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
TM> I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor
TM> for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.
Yes, I know that. I was correcting your mistake though: Qedit was
*NOT* a "DOS BBS program" as called out in your subject line. It was/is
a (multi-purpose) DOS text editor.
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If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be
difficult to register the software..
correct. But if the author suddenly appeared after 30 years of not
being able to be reached, they could demand payment and would likely
win litigation over it.
If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for
the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life
+ 70 years"
Best use a VPS in Amsterdam, where US copyright doesn't apply and make
sure your real identity is shielded from anything related or pointing to said server.
On 6/15/22 06:14, DaiTengu wrote:
If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life
+ 70 years"
Don't remember where I first read it, but someone had the idea of
allowing copyright to never expire... Basically, you get the first 15
years free (original term, but no cost, by default like now)... but to
get any more, you pay $xx at 15 years, and it doubles every N years.
So if it's worth you to keep paying a doubling amount (potentially
millions a year), then it's probably okay to keep it under copyright.
So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.
After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and it becomes cost prohibitive.
So if it's worth you to keep paying a doubling amount (potentially
millions a year), then it's probably okay to keep it under copyright.
So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.
After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and
it becomes cost prohibitive.
i'm sure this would give disney a huge erection.
introduced in subsequent books over the next few year would require its own copyright. Not to mention characters that were co-created, do the co-creators split the fees?
It sounds like a nightmare.
Did anyone ever use Fmail? It was Fast Echomail Processor.
Did anyone ever use Fmail? It was Fast Echomail Processor.
That damn mouse ended up screwing up copyright law. Disney kept wanting
to extend copyright on Mickey Mouse and lobbied for changes.
Instead the Rat has twisted copyright into a pardoy of it's original intent. Instead of encouraging creative authorship, it's become a way for corporations to rob the public domain for generations.
-Grimpen
So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.
After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and it
becomes cost prohibitive.
i'm sure this would give disney a huge erection.
Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Jun 22 2022 09:37 am
> introduced in subsequent books over the next few year would require its own
> copyright. Not to mention characters that were co-created, do the
> co-creators split the fees?
>
>
> It sounds like a nightmare.
it sounds like it would stifle creativity.
why create things if there are such penalties?
and what would they do with all the money from the copywrites?
can i be the guy that keeps the money?
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